Explanations about cued speech...

loml said:
jillio - Your attempts to discredit the NCSA are really in poor taste.

I'm not discrediting anyone. Simply pointing out the bias.

People are making money marketing ASL jillio.

And, I am not working for those people, nor am I using those organizations as my reference.

Do you work for free jillio? If i remember correctly you have stated that you are at a post secondary institute. This said institute supports the programming that you are working in, right? Pull the programming...loose your income there???

I work in disability services. I doubt seriously that the funding will be cut, given that federal law mandates service provision for students with disabilities. My paycheck is not dependent upon any specific service....I get paid whether I provide a CS transliterator, an ASL interpreter, or an oral interpreter. I provide the service that the student requests. I don't promote any specific methodology, but base my service provision on what the student identifies as their need.

Does the NCSA provide a service and materials at a minimal cost, to support the people who use CS or are looking to learn Cued Speech? Yes. This does not taint the value of Cued Speech or the value of the NCSA.

No, but it certainly proves bias. They sell books, videos, memberships, workshops and certification in order to support their organization. Of course they will spend a great deal of time promoting that which pays their salary.
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jillio said:
I'm not in a snit. Simply pointing out the reality of the information posted. This doesn't have anything to do with Cloggy. I would do the same if Jack Sprat had posted it.
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Really, then why did you say nothing a couple of weeks ago when Kaitin posted links from a site that sells products to the deaf and engages in shameless self-promotion of books authored by the website's founder?


Oh, because she agrees with you, that's right!
 
rick48 said:
Really, then why did you say nothing a couple of weeks ago when Kaitin posted links from a site that sells products to the deaf and engages in shameless self-promotion of books authored by the website's founder?


Oh, because she agrees with you, that's right!
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Care to reference that post? Or are you simply pulling things out of your butt as usual? And while you are at it, care to answer the question from a while back regarding why you never used CS with your own daughter if you are such a big supporter?
 
The only thing sadness me is seeing some of you keep picking on Jillio, doesn't she have a right to express her opinion on this 2? I think bickering and finger-pointing needs to cease IMO.
 
jillio said:
Care to reference that post? Or are you simply pulling things out of your butt as usual? And while you are at it, care to answer the question from a while back regarding why you never used CS with your own daughter if you are such a big supporter?
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No, copy cat, no.
 
neecy said:
The simple reality is - Cloggy can post NOTHING on this forum without jillio getting into a snit about it. Regardless whether its about cued speech, or his daughter's latest experiences.
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I agree!
 
neecy said:
The simple reality is - Cloggy can post NOTHING on this forum without jillio getting into a snit about it. Regardless whether its about cued speech, or his daughter's latest experiences.
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Oh geez! Just let it be between Cloggy and Jillo without drawing everyone else in.

Neecy, if Jillo posted a thread saying something about CIs that wasnt accurate, I'll bet you would nitpick it.

There are worse things in life, so what if Jillo points out things about different approaches. I dont think it has anything to do with Cloggy. Always making the debate into about personal attacks, right?
 
Angel said:
The only thing sadness me is seeing some of you keep picking on Jillio, doesn't she have a right to express her opinion on this 2? I think bickering and finger-pointing needs to cease IMO.
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I agree with you Angel. Jillo was talking about CS not about Cloggy. These people are getting so anal about it.
 
loml said:
You are making sladerous allegations about a registered charitable orgnization that you know very little about. How very shameful.
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I copied and pasted this statement from one of the links Jillow provided. Tell me that ordering something doesnt involve having to pay money??

CUEDSPEECH.org > Resources > How can I learn Cued Speech?


In the on-line catalog, you will see a variety of software and other practice materials. You can order on-line, or we can accept purchase orders from agencies by mail or fax, checks or money orders by mail, or Master Card or Visa by phone, fax, or mail. We ship same or next business day once we receive the order.

For direct orders:
Cued Speech Discovery
23970 Hermitage Road
Cleveland OH 44122-4008
877-283-2030 v/tty
info@cuedspeech.com
Cued Speech Discovery Catalog






So what is Jillo being slanderous about?
 
shel90 said:
I copied and pasted this statement from one of the links Jillow provided. Tell me that ordering something doesnt involve having to pay money??

CUEDSPEECH.org > Resources > How can I learn Cued Speech?


In the on-line catalog, you will see a variety of software and other practice materials. You can order on-line, or we can accept purchase orders from agencies by mail or fax, checks or money orders by mail, or Master Card or Visa by phone, fax, or mail. We ship same or next business day once we receive the order.

For direct orders:
Cued Speech Discovery
23970 Hermitage Road
Cleveland OH 44122-4008
877-283-2030 v/tty
info@cuedspeech.com
Cued Speech Discovery Catalog






So what is Jillo being slanderous about?
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shel90- This is where it is very obvious that people, such as you and jillio, have no invovlement with the NCSA. To suggest that this is about profit in an not for profit charitable oraganization is stooping to a very low place.
 
jillio said:
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I work in disability services. I doubt seriously that the funding will be cut, given that federal law mandates service provision for students with disabilities.

My paycheck is not dependent upon any specific service....I get paid whether I provide a CS transliterator, an ASL interpreter, or an oral interpreter. I provide the service that the student requests. I don't promote any specific methodology, but base my service provision on what the student identifies as their need. ............
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Disability services..???? Deafness ????
So....
you don't do anything, you just provide a service for deaf people and get money for that.. and that's fine.
But, an organization providing information to the public, that's "financial interest"... yeah right... typical case of JT's own rule vs rules for the rest of the world..

Sounds to me that you are profiting from the disability of deaf people. So, the more of them stay deaf, the more money you will make..

After all, the deaf people that choose to hear do not need your "services".... and for you that would mean ... less $$$$
 
loml said:
shel90- This is where it is very obvious that people, such as you and jillio, have no invovlement with the NCSA. To suggest that this is about profit in an not for profit charitable oraganization is stooping to a very low place.
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*sighs* Do not put words in my mouth. I asked a question and all u had was to answer it. I never made any statement saying that the organization only stands to make a profit. I was asking how Jillo is making a slanderous remark, that was all.

No wonder things get twisted around and the bickering starts. A simple answer to some questions would have prevented all these accusations and headaches. :roll:
 
Cloggy said:
Disability services..???? Deafness ????
So....
you don't do anything, you just provide a service for deaf people and get money for that.. and that's fine.
But, an organization providing information to the public, that's "financial interest"... yeah right... typical case of JT's own rule vs rules for the rest of the world..

Sounds to me that you are profiting from the disability of deaf people. So, the more of them stay deaf, the more money you will make..

After all, the deaf people that choose to hear do not need your "services".... and for you that would mean ... less $$$$
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The more money she will make if the more deaf people stay deaf? I didnt know that Jillo's salary was based on a comission. :roll:

That would be saying that all people who provide a service, like teachers, cops, firemen, and etc are just doing their jobs to get more profits. THAT is hilarous considering how low they get paid! :bowlol:
 
shel90 said:
The more money she will make if the more deaf people stay deaf? I didnt know that Jillo's salary was based on a comission. :roll:

That would be saying that all people who provide a service, like teachers, cops, firemen, and etc are just doing their jobs to get more profits. THAT is hilarous considering how low they get paid! :bowlol:
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If deaf people do not require services.... JT doesn't need to provide them.... hence.... no money...
 
Cloggy said:
If deaf people do not require services.... JT doesn't need to provide them.... hence.... no money...
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Disability services serve people in wheelchairs, deaf/hoh people, blind people, people with test-taking anxiety...many more..not just deaf people only. I know this cuz I used to work part time for a student disability service office at Arizona State University while as a student.

CS users will still need transliterators so hence the need for disability services.
 
loml said:
shel90- This is where it is very obvious that people, such as you and jillio, have no invovlement with the NCSA. To suggest that this is about profit in an not for profit charitable oraganization is stooping to a very low place.
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Not for profit only means that any profit made must be dispersed before the end of the year. That disbursement can easily be made to employees as a bonus. The bigger the profit made during the fiscal year, the bigger the bonus.
 
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