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Organic food = food that are grown on lands that has none of the following: GMO Products, Pesticides, Herbicides, and various other chemicals.

Grown on lands that are naturally fertilized, (no human sewer waste), weeds being pulled by hand because machines or chemicals cant do it.

I'm WILLING to pay the premium in price because it provides more work to *MORE* people, and it's LOCAL too.

Even in this recession, I make it a point to pay more, so more people can work.
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That's fine but then again that alone cannot feed a very large population adequately nor as efficiently. It requires more land to produce the same amount of food seen in high yield farming.
 
kokonut said:
That's fine but then again that alone cannot feed a very large population adequately nor as efficiently. It requires more land to produce the same amount of food seen in high yield farming.
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uh yes it can. Time to update your knowledge about green agriculture! :)

Ever heard of Agriculture Subsidy Payment? Majority of our agriculture sector is being paid by government to do nothing..... :eek: *pst pst... yes this was all Republican's doing :eek: *
 
We have to be careful about hand pick weeding and such. it can lead to long labor and very low pay. To the point where people worked so many hours for so little money just to keep up with the demands (even if it in the local). Personally, I think everyone should have a piece a little land for gardening,, and alittle extra farming for emergency (not everyone have a green thumb which is why people use other skills to make money)
 
Lighthouse77 said:
We have to be careful about hand pick weeding and such. it can lead to long labor and very low pay. To the point where people worked so many hours for so little money just to keep up with the demands (even if it in the local). Personally, I think everyone should have a piece a little land for gardening,, and alittle extra farming for emergency (not everyone have a green thumb which is why people use other skills to make money)
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think "community". You will always find a handful of people who are very willing to donate a small part of their time to do their part on rooftop farming. Rooftop farming is only for building residents. With excess food, they can sell it at farmer's market and generate some modest income for their building fund.

of course - there will always be commercial farming available. It'll never go away but point is - we have tons of local farmers around us like weekly farmers' markets and a lot of us are not aware of it at all. We should support our local farmers, not corporations. Our local farmers do not use chemicals, hormones, or any other aggressive/harmful methods to grow crops/livestocks.

Locally-raised/organic food = expensive? yes it usually costs twice more than commercial food but you will pay dearly for it in the end..... for your medical expense.

By consuming commercial-raised food for decades, you will develop cancer and/or other health issues and you will be paying for expensive medical expense and drugs for rest of your life... thus costing us taxpayers more to pay for Medicaid/Medicare. So support your local farmers and eat organic food.... and live long & healthy! :cool2:

mind you - we are not advocating for abolition of commercial farming.... just a reduction of our dependence on commercial farming and increase our support for local farming :)
 
you know, When I think of donating their time, I think of the little red hen story.
 
Would you rather to plant GMO vegetable plants or organic vegetable garden? (GMO - genetic modified organism - prefer for plant issue.)

It's tough to tell the difference on the seeds if they are GMO or organic seeds. I wish that the congress should kill the Monsanto Company that makes the GMO around the world.
 
webexplorer said:
Would you rather to plant GMO vegetable plants or organic vegetable garden? (GMO - genetic modified organism - prefer for plant issue.)

It's tough to tell the difference on the seeds if they are GMO or organic seeds. I wish that the congress should kill the Monsanto Company that makes the GMO around the world.
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well - I find GM (genetically-modified) food a very interesting concept and I am not very opposed to that concept. I completely understand the fact that the food being consumed is genetically modified and the thought of it makes your stomach twisted. It has been around for a very very long time and this concept is very old news. Chance is - we all have eaten GM food and not even notice the difference at all. This is no different from having our tap water being treated with fluoride.

Although I'm skeptic about eating GM food.... I support growing and disseminating GM food especially for poverty-stricken countries because it has concentrated amount of nutrition needed plus other substance to keep them healthy against common illnesses. We live in a luxury where we have plenty of drugs in our medicine chest and 3 square meals a day..... and discard the food into trash that we do not want because we're full..... but these poor people do not have that kind of luxury. They most often have one bowl per day so a bowl of GM food can be equivalent to 2-3 bowls of regular food in terms of nutrition needed to live healthy day-by-day.

just food for thought...... :)
 
GMO designs to kill all insects on commercial farm. That is the problem because we are eating the GMO foods. Monsanto can sue the farmers who broke a lifetime contract with the company for millions of dollars.

Monsanto also designs the seeds not to grow for the next generation. For example, rice or corn with GMO can produce the seeds, but the new seeds die themselves because Monsanto wants the farmers to buy Monsanto's seeds every year. That is a real problem because it can affect to the organic farms by windy or the birds drop the GMO seeds on some organic farms. It is really complicated how the GMO works because GMO seeds somehow grow next generation, and it was supposed to exterminate the seeds at once. The scientists are trying to determine why that happen.

Let's say that who cares about a farmer that collects organic seeds and replants them every year. The GMO seeds might be in the organic seed bags in one day, and it could be life threatening if there is no more food left on the farms.

It is very strange that sick mind scientists manipulate our food nature that can destroy our food chains to all mammals. I remember on 20/20 news that some careless and overworked farmers made a mistake to sign a contract with the Monsanto Company. Fifty years ago, the farmers remembered that their real corn was far fresh than the GMO corn. They also said, on television, that their GMO corn is crap food because many people didn't know the taste difference - probably including me.

We really have no control to stop that company. The company still continues to experiment on many different vegetables with new GMO without our permission because we depend on our food everyday. It is impossible for us to find someone at congress. It is extremely expensive to sponsor a congress to end that company. Unfortunately, Monsanto already caused other companies to expand the idea for their business because they saw that opportunity and no one from the congress stop them for decades.
 
sequoias said:
Yeah...like deer meat tastes MUCH different from farm raised cows.
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The deer in Iowa would be grass fed, true, but they are also corn fed since they come to the corn fields and eat there too. AND this corn is constantly being genetically altered to provide more yield (chances are chemicals are added). I live right next to a field it's only 20 feet from my house and I see deer all the time.

What about kobe beef?
 
Jiro said:
uh yes it can. Time to update your knowledge about green agriculture! :)

Ever heard of Agriculture Subsidy Payment? Majority of our agriculture sector is being paid by government to do nothing..... :eek: *pst pst... yes this was all Republican's doing :eek: *
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There are even gardens that can be grown in special skyscrapers, too. That's called urban farming. :)
 
DGirl101 said:
The deer in Iowa would be grass fed, true, but they are also corn fed since they come to the corn fields and eat there too. AND this corn is constantly being genetically altered to provide more yield (chances are chemicals are added). I live right next to a field it's only 20 feet from my house and I see deer all the time.

What about kobe beef?
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Yeah....that's a problem with the deers crossing the territory of GMO corns or non organic corn.
 
The wild animals are blasted with chemicals too

The mess that we have made is everywhere. The lessons learned from DDT about the destruction of the food chain were a real eye opener but those eyes tended to go back to normal when banning it here started the food chain recovery. DDT is still used out the in the world though and when we eat all this imported food we are importing their grow methods as well and their pesticides and herbicides and whatever else. I work jobs where we are fed cafeteria style far from home and we eat this food like they sell at Sam's Club
it comes from all over the world. I have been made sick many times and have to doctor myself with herbs and what not now and then.
It was a real shock to me to see ducks and geese feeding in obviously industrial waste ponds in Washington on their migrations back to Alaska. The woods the deer and elk hang out in are sprayed by the timber companies for conifer monoculture.
Instead of genetically modifying the food supply we should be modifying our selves to know where going too far is. Of course that would be going too far.
But what is going to happen? All this chemical and radiation exposure will end up being a wild strange soup of increased genetic modification of us anyway.
 
DGirl101 said:
The deer in Iowa would be grass fed, true, but they are also corn fed since they come to the corn fields and eat there too. AND this corn is constantly being genetically altered to provide more yield (chances are chemicals are added). I live right next to a field it's only 20 feet from my house and I see deer all the time. ...
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Wow! I can't imagine that.
 
Majority of agriculture sector get paid to do nothing? Interesting to see this claim with nothing to back it up. How typical.

This whole farming subsidy program (Farm Bill) started in the 1930s during the days of FDR to act as a limited safety net for working farmers but over time has swollen into a messy infrastructure of entitlements for the largest farmers and processors, rather than help the majority of Mom and Pop agriculture businesses.
 
sequoias said:
Yeah....that's a problem with the deers crossing the territory of GMO corns or non organic corn.
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It is kind of a problem.


Because of the demands of corn and soybean, more wooded areas are being cleared to make fields for corn and soybean so the deer has to travel from one wooded area to another which could be miles.

However, the DNR are making waves now by building prarie land and having lands untamed protected from the ravishments of farming, and protecting the wildlife, they even have taken to building small lakes to help geese and ducks find a home. So it balances out the farmland and wildlife.

Anyone ever have home made deer jerky? That's the stuff!
 
I'm not into scrolling for backup materials....these things don't always have to be a 'political battle'.....chat means just chatting.
I am an agriculture grad....no BS....only two AS.....while back.
Subsidy program stend to change with the economic times etc. ISusidizing has afffects elsewhere in markets. Subsidizing to do 'nothing' also has other 'benefits'. Landowners are considered as land managers........'conservers of land'. Letting land go fallow has it's benefits. Wildlife management......grassland rehabilitation......farmers and ranchers are not going to do these things on thier own.....the alternative is the government 'subsidizing conservation programs at large expense.

Subsidizing is often not just paying to not grow...it is paying to grow a certain crop rather than what you desire......lesser payments.
Grassland management is very important....if one doesn't give a rat;s ass about the possibility of global warming them they couldn't give a shyt about grassland managements either.
Another point.........subsidies also help keep certain types of crops plentiful......
\ ok the idea of food stamps?......many people gripe about it's a freeload to people.....well it provides amarket for many farmers...increases farmers market share....it all has a kickback effect.
Things are complicated and one shouldn't rush to make a judgement. It's all tied together...
kokonut said:
Majority of agriculture sector get paid to do nothing? Interesting to see this claim with nothing to back it up. How typical.

This whole farming subsidy program (Farm Bill) started in the 1930s during the days of FDR to act as a limited safety net for working farmers but over time has swollen into a messy infrastructure of entitlements for the largest farmers and processors, rather than help the majority of Mom and Pop agriculture businesses.
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