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[webexplorer]

I've googled baking soda allergy and from what I can find, it's quite rare for it to cause allergies. However, I've always had problems with dry skin and baking soda can be very drying based on the info I got.

I have a very long history of eczema so I have to be careful of most products that come in contact with my skin. I used a box of baking soda on my armpits after they broke out into a rash and that caused it to get so painful that I couldn't bear to put anything on them.

I won't buy scented candles (or other items like it) as a rule because it will cause problems with breathing for me.

I had eczema for two years. I used the Hibiclens Liquid for taking a shower for a month. My rash was almost gone. Then, I use Betamethasone Dipropionate .05% cream which is not green, and I had to do it. It helped me a lot.

Cheap creams do not always work. I have tried the herbal soap or even tea tree oil and they were both bad.

 

[kokonut]

lol you guys. Green doesn't exactly mean what you CAN use. Is baking soda even green? Sodium Bicarbonate - (the chemical that baking soda is made of) can anyone tell me how that is made? No I haven't googled it.

Green means what you CAN DO in order to preserve the planet, like saving energy, using renewable resources, etc.

Kokonut: An example of what I was talking about - I saw a bottle of method hand soap, that was cheaper than "dial" and I bought it. It is 100% natural, 100% biodegradable and was fifty cents cheaper!

Skin rashes are usually attributed to aluminum. Antiperspirants are usually NOT encouraged for people. We have the need to sweat, why block it?? The smell comes from the bacteria that eats our sweat and farts out the smell.

Learn a bit more about the "green" stuff before you spout off about it, please.

PLEASE PM me if I made any senseless stuff up in this stuff, I'm drunk at the moment.

Putting up solar panels, wind turbines or even geothermal electricity are limited in where they can be placed and so the question of efficiency becomes a problem in getting the needed power 24/7 (with the possible exception of geothermal).

I'm more into the conservation practices and use efficiencies and environmental cost as my metric rather than seeing whether it's "eco-friendly" or not. Even if you go by the "eco friendly" standard it does have it's own unintended consequences. I'm for clean air, water and land but there is such a thing as using common sense rather than to put people into economic ruins using fear as a basis and push people into going green. That's just ain't right.

 

[webexplorer]

Putting up solar panels, wind turbines or even geothermal electricity are limited in where they can be placed and so the question of efficiency becomes a problem in getting the needed power 24/7 (with the possible exception of geothermal).

I'm more into the conservation practices and use efficiencies and environmental cost as my metric rather than seeing whether it's "eco-friendly" or not. Even if you go by the "eco friendly" standard it does have it's own unintended consequences. I'm for clean air, water and land but there is such a thing as using common sense rather than to put people into economic ruins using fear as a basis and push people into going green. That's just ain't right.

I have the feeling that people who are the green contractors didn't a good job because they want to make money first. A month ago, a man came over to talk us about setting up a stand solar panel in the backyard, and he tested with his equipment for the sun direction (summer/winter sun lines). He said that we go for it. Last week, another man from a different company - well-known company - said that we cannot do it because we still need to cut more trees down so we gave it up. We paid 3 thousand dollars for seven trees down this past summer because of our goal for the solar. The last contractor was correct and explained to us some reasons like you said that it is limited energy. It is not quite loss our money, but to be safety due the trees were way too big and many branches fall down during windy days.

 

[posts from hell]

Putting up solar panels, wind turbines or even geothermal electricity are limited in where they can be placed and so the question of efficiency becomes a problem in getting the needed power 24/7 (with the possible exception of geothermal).

I'm more into the conservation practices and use efficiencies and environmental cost as my metric rather than seeing whether it's "eco-friendly" or not. Even if you go by the "eco friendly" standard it does have it's own unintended consequences. I'm for clean air, water and land but there is such a thing as using common sense rather than to put people into economic ruins using fear as a basis and push people into going green. That's just ain't right.

Yeah.

This town has a law - every new house built must have solar panels installed, period.
I'm also willing to bet our solar panels here are cheaper than out of the area.

There are also programs that is basically the county loans you money to make your house "Green" and the money is paid back via property taxes. If you sell the house and move, the loan is stuck with the house, not you, which is nice and helpful.

 

[posts from hell]

and most biodegradable stuff is soy based. have you search up that too- on how they make it?

baking soda isn't all that natural, but it is a simple cleaner without the extra stuffs.

Yeah, My soaps aren't soy based. Except the one my roommate just got for his bicycles.

I just like the idea of my soap going into the drain and if it hits the river, the fishes arent affected.

 

[Cowpuppy]

Webex....a niece has bad eczema......after many doctors andprescriptions....they finally used a pure form of cider vinager.....or some type of vinager and poof gone.

I had eczema for two years. I used the Hibiclens Liquid for taking a shower for a month. My rash was almost gone. Then, I use Betamethasone Dipropionate .05% cream which is not green, and I had to do it. It helped me a lot.

Cheap creams do not always work. I have tried the herbal soap or even tea tree oil and they were both bad.

 

[Cowpuppy]

It's the same as health care and organic farming.....so few involved in it so the cost is high....get more people involvedand the cost comes down. It's proven with organic farming...I was agri student many years ago....unfeasable....but now it is becoming regualar more and more...and ppeople like the option.
wind is everywhere. geothermal......
it is you who lives in fear of everything.
fear is what keeps people living in stone age......not an effiecient thing in the long run.
you live in today too much with your fear.

Putting up solar panels, wind turbines or even geothermal electricity are limited in where they can be placed and so the question of efficiency becomes a problem in getting the needed power 24/7 (with the possible exception of geothermal).

I'm more into the conservation practices and use efficiencies and environmental cost as my metric rather than seeing whether it's "eco-friendly" or not. Even if you go by the "eco friendly" standard it does have it's own unintended consequences. I'm for clean air, water and land but there is such a thing as using common sense rather than to put people into economic ruins using fear as a basis and push people into going green. That's just ain't right.

 

[kokonut]

It's the same as health care and organic farming.....so few involved in it so the cost is high....get more people involvedand the cost comes down. It's proven with organic farming...I was agri student many years ago....unfeasable....but now it is becoming regualar more and more...and ppeople like the option.
wind is everywhere. geothermal......
it is you who lives in fear of everything.
fear is what keeps people living in stone age......not an effiecient thing in the long run.
you live in today too much with your fear.

No, not about fear but a matter of reality of where these things can work efficiently and of pratical value. Look up a wind map you'll find out just how limited places are to put up your wind turbines. And when you do, it's not a guarantee that wind will blow sufficiently high enough to generate 24/7 electricity. The same idea with solar panels. Geothermal is limited to where heat source is relatively close to the surface but then there are issues where it can and has affected groundwater in the past. Organic farming sounds nice but in terms of volume it produces and the amount of land it requires, it isn't ideal for large scale farming for our population. I'm for these things but there certain realities and shortcomings when it comes these things when we deal with size of our town or cities and where they are located. I grew my own food in my garden where I had blackberries, peaches, nectarine, chili peppers, melons, corn, Roma tomatoes and few more items just for my own pleasure. And when I can, which is rare, I take advantage of nearby farmer's market or a neighborhood food stand if I come across one.

It isn't that simple in real life.

 

[kokonut]

Yeah, My soaps aren't soy based. Except the one my roommate just got for his bicycles.

I just like the idea of my soap going into the drain and if it hits the river, the fishes arent affected.

Wastewater and greywater are treated to EPA standard before water is released back into the environment. And water is tested frequently to ensure that prior to release it meets or beats EPA standards.

http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/ww-treatment/ww-treat.pdf

 

[Jiro]

Wastewater and greywater are treated to EPA standard before water is released back into the environment. And water is tested frequently to ensure that prior to release it meets or beats EPA standards.

http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/ww-treatment/ww-treat.pdf

then explain why our Hudson River is filthy and hazardous.

 

[posts from hell]

Wastewater and greywater are treated to EPA standard before water is released back into the environment. And water is tested frequently to ensure that prior to release it meets or beats EPA standards.

http://esa21.kennesaw.edu/activities/ww-treatment/ww-treat.pdf

I have a couple things to say about that.

First: I want to know that I am contributing to the planet in every way I possibly can.

Second: There was a "IF" in my statement. I know there are standards in wastewater stuff.

Third: EPA Standards arent always the best. I as a normal citizen have no interest in going through all the standards to know what they are so i can present it but, as far as their standards - I know this much. They're not the highest mark in the book. So, hence me using biodegradable stuff I'm helping the plants to beat the standards. (not meet)

You would like to check out the rivers in southern California. There is a VERY HIGH level of birth control medication along with many other medicine affecting the wild life.
Do you hear the EPA doing anything about it?

Edit:
I just googled and found this too.
http://www.la.cityzine.com/2008/03/22/surf-report-dirty-water-and-hepatitis-a/
http://aquafornia.com/archives/16708 This is LOL. Radioactive agents and bacteria from fecal matters in your drinking water.

Yep, EPA is the all mighty.

 

[Foxrac]

then explain why our Hudson River is filthy and hazardous.

Second here, I would ask similar question about Cahaba River, it isn't clean river either.

 

[posts from hell]

No, not about fear but a matter of reality of where these things can work efficiently and of pratical value. Look up a wind map you'll find out just how limited places are to put up your wind turbines. And when you do, it's not a guarantee that wind will blow sufficiently high enough to generate 24/7 electricity. The same idea with solar panels. Geothermal is limited to where heat source is relatively close to the surface but then there are issues where it can and has affected groundwater in the past. Organic farming sounds nice but in terms of volume it produces and the amount of land it requires, it isn't ideal for large scale farming for our population. I'm for these things but there certain realities and shortcomings when it comes these things when we deal with size of our town or cities and where they are located. I grew my own food in my garden where I had blackberries, peaches, nectarine, chili peppers, melons, corn, Roma tomatoes and few more items just for my own pleasure. And when I can, which is rare, I take advantage of nearby farmer's market or a neighborhood food stand if I come across one.

It isn't that simple in real life.

Interesting you say that.
Just come here, you will find "Real life." They say Boulder is 35 sq miles surrounded by reality. Organic food is everywhere, organic this and that. It has gotten to the point, you almost don't check.

Check out Luciles Creole Cafe here in Boulder. This is a family owned restaurant. They just recently bought a farm to give their customers 1.) Locally grown 2.) Organic 3.) non political 4.) good food.
This is just to give you an example of WHAT I AM LIVING IN.

 

[posts from hell]

No, not about fear but a matter of reality of where these things can work efficiently and of pratical value. Look up a wind map you'll find out just how limited places are to put up your wind turbines. And when you do, it's not a guarantee that wind will blow sufficiently high enough to generate 24/7 electricity. The same idea with solar panels. Geothermal is limited to where heat source is relatively close to the surface but then there are issues where it can and has affected groundwater in the past. Organic farming sounds nice but in terms of volume it produces and the amount of land it requires, it isn't ideal for large scale farming for our population. I'm for these things but there certain realities and shortcomings when it comes these things when we deal with size of our town or cities and where they are located. I grew my own food in my garden where I had blackberries, peaches, nectarine, chili peppers, melons, corn, Roma tomatoes and few more items just for my own pleasure. And when I can, which is rare, I take advantage of nearby farmer's market or a neighborhood food stand if I come across one.

It isn't that simple in real life.

Another standpoint:
I protest buying ANYTHING with:
High Fructose Corn Syrup, or Cyrstalline Fructose.

Since you're a bit older than me - I'll assume. You remember how Ketchup tasted back then? Do yourself a favor grab a bottle of Heinz Organic Ketchup. You will be sent back in time.
These days the new ketchup has HFCS. WHY put that in our food? It doesn't involve farming and it is more complicated than what it really is.
Organic food, or chemical into our food. Which is actually more simple?

 

[kokonut]

I have a couple things to say about that.

First: I want to know that I am contributing to the planet in every way I possibly can.

Second: There was a "IF" in my statement. I know there are standards in wastewater stuff.

Third: EPA Standards arent always the best. I as a normal citizen have no interest in going through all the standards to know what they are so i can present it but, as far as their standards - I know this much. They're not the highest mark in the book. So, hence me using biodegradable stuff I'm helping the plants to beat the standards. (not meet)

You would like to check out the rivers in southern California. There is a VERY HIGH level of birth control medication along with many other medicine affecting the wild life.
Do you hear the EPA doing anything about it?

Edit:
I just googled and found this too.
Surf Report: Dirty Water and Hepatitis A | LA.CityZine.com - Los Angeles
Aquafornia This is LOL. Radioactive agents and bacteria from fecal matters in your drinking water.

Yep, EPA is the all mighty.

Either the state can match EPA standards or they can do better. Anything less increases the risk of contamination to animal and plant species. Whether you use biodegradable stuff or not, it still goes through the wastewater treatment process through a filtratration process that removes most bacteria, viruses and organics. This is the end process. If there are violations, they must be remedied.

Excess rainfall or flooding always bring about contamination problems to stream waters, lakes and even ocean from populated areas and even in rural areas where cattle, horses or pigs, for example, are raised. Sewage overflow is quite common.

H.R.2452: Raw Sewage Overflow Community Right-to-Know Act - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

 

[kokonut]

Another standpoint:
I protest buying ANYTHING with:
High Fructose Corn Syrup, or Cyrstalline Fructose.

Since you're a bit older than me - I'll assume. You remember how Ketchup tasted back then? Do yourself a favor grab a bottle of Heinz Organic Ketchup. You will be sent back in time.
These days the new ketchup has HFCS. WHY put that in our food? It doesn't involve farming and it is more complicated than what it really is.
Organic food, or chemical into our food. Which is actually more simple?

Fine. Define "organic food" for us.

No, I don't remember what it tasted like back then. Ketchup tasted like ketchup.

 

[netrox]

Another standpoint:
I protest buying ANYTHING with:
High Fructose Corn Syrup, or Cyrstalline Fructose.

Exactly what is wrong with HFCS? I do prefer sugar cane in coke - it has a nice gentle sweet taste while HFCS is overwhelming sweet and sometimes leaves a slime in my mouth but there's nothing sinister about it.

HFCS is as natural as sugar cane - they both are refined from natural sugars.

 

[inspirabull]

the great frustration

The great frusttation with our present business model is that the pursuit of continuous growth brings forth new products daily. There is not enough time or infrastructure to provide adequate testing or quality control. Lots of these new products are simply not asked for or needed. Did I want blue chewing gum? Good God no but there it is blue as can be looking like industrial chemical waste. Chemical additives in everything. Spray everything with something to help preserve it. Put it in animal feed. It all ends up out there again, filtered through our bodies. Meanwhile half the population gets cancer hmm what a mystery. How smart is that? Then you start looking at the next step - how it gets recycled into the system again and again by way of wastewater being used for irrigation purposes and sewage sludge sprayed on the fields for fertilizer. It all comes back to that cancer rate. Until you have it or a loved one has it you just cannot conceive of how many people are getting it. We have a huge disaster on our hands. Industrialization is a mixed blessing and that is a fact not a fiction.

 

[Jiro]

Exactly what is wrong with HFCS? I do prefer sugar cane in coke - it has a nice gentle sweet taste while HFCS is overwhelming sweet and sometimes leaves a slime in my mouth but there's nothing sinister about it.

HFCS is as natural as sugar cane - they both are refined from natural sugars.

because.... HFCS cannot be broken down in human body. that's why it get deposited in human fats and that's why obesity is on the rise!

 

[posts from hell]

Exactly what is wrong with HFCS? I do prefer sugar cane in coke - it has a nice gentle sweet taste while HFCS is overwhelming sweet and sometimes leaves a slime in my mouth but there's nothing sinister about it.

HFCS is as natural as sugar cane - they both are refined from natural sugars.

Not at all. It is more addictive than cocaine, proven.

EDUCATE YOURSELVES.

Crystalline Fructose is just a crystal form of HFCS, and it is made using lead and arsenic. How is that natural?

Just for example: Vitamin Water - It has Crystalline Fructose. How clever is that, taking out HFCS and putting in something about 2.12 times worse than HFCS and branding it as healthy for people because people don't know what it actually is.