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[TXgolfer]

I thought my post was pretty clear. You stated.....

I was in favor of bipartisanship on the Heath care thing but the Republicans made it clear they weren't interested in bipartisanhip and I doubt they'll be cooperative this time around.

So I pointed out that it was actually the Democrats that played the partisan game. They met without Republicans behind closed doors despite the fact that Obama promised on 8 occassions that the debate would be aired on C-SPAN for all to see. The met to discuss how to handle the Union's (Dem Supporters) objection to the tax on High End insurance plans.

And?

I'd say they wanted an ear from Obama regarding their concerns. I have no doubt that the Republicans leaders would have wanted to speak in private with the Republican Whip Canto or House minority leader Joe Boehner. Note the date; if they had done this last spring, you might have a stronger case. Over the summer, it became clear that the Republicans had no intention of working in a bipartisan manner. I will give Democrats credit for trying to work in a bipartisan manner long after I gave up hope.

Oh, look what I found at the top of your link: Healthcare: Obama meets with Republicans. Granted, it's an opinion blog and one that I agree on many points.

So I decided to google the meeting to get the facts; I think netrox or someone else posted about that meeting elsewhere. The ball is in their court - like it or not. If no one has posted about it, I will do so others can get all the facts. I note that Obama hasn't placed the blame entirely on the Republicans: "But on the specifics, I think both sides can take some blame for a sour climate on Capitol Hill. What I can do maybe to help is to try to bring Republican and Democratic leadership together on a more regular basis with me. That's, I think, a failure on my part, is to try to foster better communications even if there's disagreement. And I will try to see if we can do more of that this year. That's on the sort of the general issue."

First Dems can't use the "they do it too" defense because they ran on a platform of "Change" and "no more politics as usual". The fact that Republicans didn't go along with the Health Care bill this summer means they were doing their jobs. The public likes the idea of interstate insurance and tort reform. The Republicans were represnting their constituents. The fact that the Dem bills were very unpopular (still are) and they still tried to force it through show that the Dems are neither representing the Public nor negotiating with the Republicans.

 

[posts from hell]

I thought my post was pretty clear. You stated.....



So I pointed out that it was actually the Democrats that played the partisan game. They met without Republicans behind closed doors despite the fact that Obama promised on 8 occassions that the debate would be aired on C-SPAN for all to see. The met to discuss how to handle the Union's (Dem Supporters) objection to the tax on High End insurance plans.




First Dems can't use the "they do it too" defense because they ran on a platform of "Change" and "no more politics as usual". The fact that Republicans didn't go along with the Health Care bill this summer means they were doing their jobs. The public likes the idea of interstate insurance and tort reform. The Republicans were represnting their constituents. The fact that the Dem bills were very unpopular (still are) and they still tried to force it through show that the Dems are neither representing the Public nor negotiating with the Republicans.

Even Obama called the Dems out in the State of Union Address.

 

[deafskeptic]

Even Obama called the Dems out in the State of Union Address.

Yes, he did and he has called them out on other occassions.

As long 60 votes are needed end a filbuster started by either party to prevent legislation from passing thru and to even vote on something; a gridlocked Congres is going to be the rule as long as partisanship rules the day.

 

[TXgolfer]

Yes, he did and he has called them out on other occassions.

As long 60 votes are needed end a filbuster started by either party to prevent legislation from passing thru and to even vote on something; a gridlocked Congres is going to be the rule as long as partisanship rules the day.

There were 60 Dems all last year and they couldn't agree on healthcare. I took paying members off to get to 60 votes.........that's another thing Obama promised he wouldn't do. No wonder he didn't air the debate on C-Span as promised......he didn't want video of the deal he made Ben Nelson or Landreau or the $100 millon hospital for Dodd. These deals were made behind closed doors without Republicans present.

 

[Jiro]

Just get up off the ground, that's all I ask. Get up there with that lady that's up on top of this Capitol dome, that lady that stands for liberty. Take a look at this country through her eyes if you really want to see something. And you won't just see scenery; you'll see the whole parade of what Man's carved out for himself, after centuries of fighting. Fighting for something better than just jungle law, fighting so's he can stand on his own two feet, free and decent, like he was created, no matter what his race, color, or creed. That's what you'd see. There's no place out there for graft, or greed, or lies, or compromise with human liberties. And, uh, if that's what the grownups have done with this world that was given to them, then we'd better get those boys' camps started fast and see what the kids can do. And it's not too late, because this country is bigger than the Taylors, or you, or me, or anything else. Great principles don't get lost once they come to light. They're right here; you just have to see them again!

 

[Tousi]

Just get up off the ground, that's all I ask. Get up there with that lady that's up on top of this Capitol dome, that lady that stands for liberty. Take a look at this country through her eyes if you really want to see something. And you won't just see scenery; you'll see the whole parade of what Man's carved out for himself, after centuries of fighting. Fighting for something better than just jungle law, fighting so's he can stand on his own two feet, free and decent, like he was created, no matter what his race, color, or creed. That's what you'd see. There's no place out there for graft, or greed, or lies, or compromise with human liberties. And, uh, if that's what the grownups have done with this world that was given to them, then we'd better get those boys' camps started fast and see what the kids can do. And it's not too late, because this country is bigger than the Taylors, or you, or me, or anything else. Great principles don't get lost once they come to light. They're right here; you just have to see them again!

*Looking for a clapping smilie*