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Jiro, yes! Even tho he was a VERY naughty president, he was just awesome!

BTW, I meant in my life, not the entire presidency history.


The housing crisis started with Clinton. His veiw that everyone "deserves" a house led to lending to people who couldn't afford homes. I continued through the Bush years. The fact is all American's deserve shelter. A house has to be earned through hard work and saving.
 
what was your business, TXGolfer?


I restored homes that were damaged by fire, storms and mold. Also built a few homes. Traveled to alot of the hurricanes. I didn't mean to be obnoxious but some people (not you) need to realize that each move has consequences. When you tax or propose to tax people different they are going to get to a point where they have had enough. I have told some in here I would prefer to keep doing business. I loved it. But it just got to the point where it wasn't worth it anymore.
 
I restored homes that were damaged by fire, storms and mold. Also built a few homes. Traveled to alot of the hurricanes. I didn't mean to be obnoxious but some people (not you) need to realize that each move has consequences. When you tax or propose to tax people different they are going to get to a point where they have had enough. I have told some in here I would prefer to keep doing business. I loved it. But it just got to the point where it wasn't worth it anymore.

yea I understand. Lot of people like you are closing up their shops :(
 
yea I understand. Lot of people like you are closing up their shops :(

Yeah, I loved my employees too. I found most of them jobs when we closed so my please find them jobs was more for dramatic effect. I am not heartless. But many who are closing by choice won't go to that trouble
 
Bush did not abuse Clinton's surplus. Bush had to use the surplus and more to fix what Clinton did to our National Security when 9/11 struck us. I was appalled at how badly our National Security was under Clinton. Shame on you, Clinton.

:ty: Bush. Did you know Obama's using nearly all of Bush's strategies, policies, and tools? Obama basically abandoned most of his own war strategy and reverted back to Bush's. Obama promised America that he will dissect and eliminate Patriot Acts but he extended it. Obama is still using handful of key people (strategists/advisers/etc) from Bush Administration and a few from Clinton Administration.

Recall my major complaint last year about Obama during election time that he is too inexperienced for this job? LOL @ people who defended him that his experience with the community and Senate was good enough.

Yup, that how I was figured out in one year ago.
 
The housing crisis started with Clinton. His veiw that everyone "deserves" a house led to lending to people who couldn't afford homes. I continued through the Bush years. The fact is all American's deserve shelter. A house has to be earned through hard work and saving.

Yup, that what Reba told me via PM in one year ago and I was like shame on Clinton so policy is still went through Bush Admin until real estate market start crash in 2005-2006 so I don't know why Bush cannot stop or abandon the Clinton's policy on real estate before housing crisis started.

During early and mid 2000's, I had seen about price of real estate has went skyrocket and it was really terrible since many people in California are unable to afford, except for rent the apartment. I was thought about kill myself after saw oil price and real estate went up in 2004, that how affect my future plan so I don't blame on Bush for both of situations.

I have agree with you about own house or car is just from hard working and saving.
 
Yup, that what Reba told me via PM in one year ago and I was like shame on Clinton so policy is still went through Bush Admin until real estate market start crash in 2005-2006 so I don't know why Bush cannot stop or abandon the Clinton's policy on real estate before housing crisis start.

During early and mid 2000's, I had seen about price of real estate has went skyrocket and it was really terrible since many people in California are unable to afford, except for rent the apartment. I was thought about kill myself after saw oil price and real estate went up in 2004, that how affect my future plan so I don't blame on Bush for both of situations.

I have agree with you about own house or car is just from hard working and saving.

cuz you cannot simply overturn the bill once it is signed but it has a time limit.
 
any bills signed by the President

then I have no idea about what are you talking, I want know about bill and what kind of? Please make related to my post on Clinton or Bush situation.
 
cuz you cannot simply overturn the bill once it is signed but it has a time limit.

Bush is capable to change it, he has only to encourage to congress to repeal or change the law, there was majority republican in congress during Bush Admin and they are capable to fix it before happen occur.

Please make more specified about what of bill for real estate so I could understand since none of your post gave me a answer.
 
Bush is capable to change it, he has only to encourage to congress to repeal or change the law, there was majority republican in congress during Bush Admin and they are capable to fix it before happen occur.
not likely. extremely difficult to do that.

Please make more specified about what of bill for real estate so I could understand since none of your post gave me a answer.
you asked "I don't know why Bush cannot stop or abandon the Clinton's policy on real estate before housing crisis start." and I simply replied with "cuz you cannot simply overturn the bill once it is signed but it has a time limit."

that should get you started to piece the puzzle together. I gave you a link before but looks like the site doesn't point you to specific source. Here do this - go to The American Presidency Project and then go to very bottom - Option 3: Browse. Then select Bill Clinton and then select Oral: Remarks: Bill Signings.

You can see all the bills that Clinton has signed. now go find which bill contributed to this mess.
 
not likely. extremely difficult to do that.


you asked "I don't know why Bush cannot stop or abandon the Clinton's policy on real estate before housing crisis start." and I simply replied with "cuz you cannot simply overturn the bill once it is signed but it has a time limit."

that should get you started to piece the puzzle together. I gave you a link before but looks like the site doesn't point you to specific source. Here do this - go to The American Presidency Project and then go to very bottom - Option 3: Browse. Then select Bill Clinton and then select Oral: Remarks: Bill Signings.

You can see all the bills that Clinton has signed. now go find which bill contributed to this mess.

Is it called Remarks on Signing the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997?
 
Is it called Remarks on Signing the Departments of Veterans Affairs and Housing and Urban Development, and Independent Agencies Appropriations Act, 1997?

no idea. you tell me.
 

Do you understand how the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac institutions worked? And how these two quasi-governmental institutions were the lynchpins that held everything together in the housing industry? The kind of practices they did? And how Bush in his last 7 years warned Congress to try and do something about this?

Do you understand how the sub-prime mortgage came about?

Do you understand how this 1977 Community Re-investment Act signed by Carter so that low income earners would have better access to credit in buying a house?

And how Clinton in 1999 piggy backed the CRA by attaching a subprime mortgage rate acess for low income earners and even for those who were deemed as high credit risk by pressuring FM and FM to lower “the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders”?

Do you know what a subprime mortgage rate is? It's simply a variable interest rate and not a fixed interest rate.

Would you lend money to groups of people that are at a high credit risk for defaulting? That's what Clinton did by forcing banks to make these unsound and high risk credit mortgage subprime loans to low income and high risk income earners (ie. bad credit score).

Even the NYTimes warned Clinton about that and the pressure to get FM and FM to loan more money back in 1999.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest rates -- anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than conventional loans.
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“In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of [subprime] lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's.”

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

Again, who would want to make loans to groups of people that do not make enough money or at risk of defaulting get on board a mortgage loan that has a variable rate? If the economy turns sour interest rates would go up and these people would find themselves unable to make their monthly mortgage payments. And during good times with a lower interest rate they bought bigger houses thinking they could afford it...under the variable rate (subprime). But this *proved* disastorously WRONG! Several trillions of dollars out the window once the housing market bubble burst when the economy began to sour.

And do you know what a Govt Sponsored Enterprise (GSE) is?
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21663.pdf

They're the ones (that is, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) who "buy back" from banks carrying defaulted mortgages. GSEs then try and resell these defaulted loans back into the market. This created a false bubble by increasing the value of houses because the defaulted loan isn't in the picture which would have devalued the housing market in the first place. These "buy backs" are borne by us, the taxpayers. It wasn't your typical supply and demand that ran this but the GSE who created this artificial reality. And when the economy started to turn sour in 2008 that's when the housing bubble began collapsing.

You see, it was Clinton who helped creat these conditions allowing banks to make unsound business loans and allowed these bad behaviors with little or no risk.

Supporters of CRA, Elizabeth Duke, realized and admitted just how bad this subprime mortgage loans market have turned out that pushed by Clinton back in the 1990s along with the rest of Democrats (leaders are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) and a few RINOs who were the very center of this housing mess that helped create this economic collapse with a near domino effect.

“According to the latest data, 25 percent of subprime loans and 13 percent of near-prime loans are now seriously delinquent--that is, more than 90 days past due or in foreclosure. The serious delinquency rate for prime mortgages, at between 3 percent and 4 percent, is much lower than for nonprime loans.”
FRB: Speech--Duke, Stabilizing the Housing Market: Focus on Communities --February 16, 2009

Bush warned this coming disasters for 7 years while he was in office that FM and FM needed better oversight and that something wasn't right about these GSEs' practices. Congress didn't listen because at the helm was Democrat Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who made sure Bush' call go unheeded. President Bush publicly called for the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.


** 2001

April: The Administration’s FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is “a potential problem,” because “financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity.”

** 2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

** 2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that “although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations,” “the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them.” As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. (“Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,” OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO’s review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact “legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises” and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any “legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk.” To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have “broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards” and “receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

** 2004

February: The President’s FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: “The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator.” (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to “not take [the financial market's] strength for granted.” Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by “ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator.” (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, “Keeping Fannie And Freddie’s House In Order,” Financial Times, 2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying “We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System.” (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

** 2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying “Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system.” (Secretary John W. Snow, “Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee,” 4/13/05)

** 2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying “first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options.” (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying “These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I’ve called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon.” (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

** 2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says “A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully.” (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and “move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and “modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

“Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)

“[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator.” (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)

“Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans.” (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying “we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

July: Congress heeds the President’s call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html

But Democrats blocked this reform effort numerous times.

UPDATE: here's the correct URL address that links to GWB's library that has archived the FM & FM problem. http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html
 
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Do you understand how the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac institutions worked? And how these two quasi-governmental institutions were the lynchpins that held everything together in the housing industry? The kind of practices they did? And how Bush in his last 7 years warned Congress to try and do something about this?

Do you understand how the sub-prime mortgage came about?

Do you understand how this 1977 Community Re-investment Act signed by Carter so that low income earners would have better access to credit in buying a house?

And how Clinton in 1999 piggy backed the CRA by attaching a subprime mortgage rate acess for low income earners and even for those who were deemed as high credit risk by pressuring FM and FM to lower “the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from banks and other lenders”?

Do you know what a subprime mortgage rate is? It's simply a variable interest rate and not a fixed interest rate.

Would you lend money to groups of people that are at a high credit risk for defaulting? That's what Clinton did by forcing banks to make these unsound and high risk credit mortgage subprime loans to low income and high risk income earners (ie. bad credit score).

Even the NYTimes warned Clinton about that and the pressure to get FM and FM to loan more money back in 1999.



Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

Again, who would want to make loans to groups of people that do not make enough money or at risk of defaulting get on board a mortgage loan that has a variable rate? If the economy turns sour interest rates would go up and these people would find themselves unable to make their monthly mortgage payments. And during good times with a lower interest rate they bought bigger houses thinking they could afford it...under the variable rate (subprime). But this *proved* disastorously WRONG! Several trillions of dollars out the window once the housing market bubble burst when the economy began to sour.

And do you know what a Govt Sponsored Enterprise (GSE) is?
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21663.pdf

They're the ones (that is, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae) who "buy back" from banks carrying defaulted mortgages. GSEs then try and resell these defaulted loans back into the market. This created a false bubble by increasing the value of houses because the defaulted loan isn't in the picture which would have devalued the housing market in the first place. These "buy backs" are borne by us, the taxpayers. It wasn't your typical supply and demand that ran this but the GSE who created this artificial reality. And when the economy started to turn sour in 2008 that's when the housing bubble began collapsing.

You see, it was Clinton who helped creat these conditions allowing banks to make unsound business loans and allowed these bad behaviors with little or no risk.

Supporters of CRA, Elizabeth Duke, realized and admitted just how bad this subprime mortgage loans market have turned out that pushed by Clinton back in the 1990s along with the rest of Democrats (leaders are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) and a few RINOs who were the very center of this housing mess that helped create this economic collapse with a near domino effect.


FRB: Speech--Duke, Stabilizing the Housing Market: Focus on Communities --February 16, 2009

Bush warned this coming disasters for 7 years while he was in office that FM and FM needed better oversight and that something wasn't right about these GSEs' practices. Congress didn't listen because at the helm was Democrat Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who made sure Bush' call go unheeded. President Bush publicly called for the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/09/20080919-15.html

But Democrats blocked this reform effort numerous times.

I said YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.

I already know about mortgage subprime so no need to explain, thanks.

Also there's bank's fault too so bank need be REGULATED like I said in my post.
 
Kokonut, there's word for you.

Do not underestimate about my knowledge about political or financial thing so don't ask me any stupid question by ask me if I know. I know about you are trying put your opinion in my mouth and label my opinion as wrong so entire of your post is just opinion so none of them are correct, even I will not share with any fact that you had made without approved by centrist, moderate or independent members because I know you are very conservative and right wing, that how I don't trust you without approved by Jiro or Reba.

I'm ignoring all of post that you are tried to explain about mortgage subprime because I prefer anyone who centrist, moderate or independent members to make define, that how I trust them, not you.

You are just wasting your time to educate me because I wouldn't listen to you.
 
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