Early Implantation

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Angel said:
:confused: @ Neecy's post...
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my post was in response to deafdyke's comment of
If he's an AG Bell member then he clearly subscribes to their philosophies and beliefs.
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My point is just because somebody READS something doesn't necessarily mean they subscribe to the same philosophies. Often people read things to see "the other side" of different issues.
 
Ah, not QUITE!!!!! If he just read it yeah. I've read stuff too that I don't quite agree with......but if he's a dues paying member of the group, then by default he agrees 100% with the philosopies and points. I've read stuff from Focus on (Your Own Damn) Family, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. However if I was a dues paying member.....see what I mean?
And I mean, as an organization AG Bell is a wee bit more moderate. It's not too unusual to see 'terps at AG Bell conferences. However you might get the vibe that they are still rather conservative re ASL. I remember an editoral from a speech therapist ranting about the fact that California was going to require all TODs to be fluent in ASL. (her viewpoint was that ASL wasn't "needed" any more)
 
deafdyke said:
Ah, not QUITE!!!!! If he just read it yeah. I've read stuff too that I don't quite agree with......but if he's a dues paying member of the group, then by default he agrees 100% with the philosopies and points. I've read stuff from Focus on (Your Own Damn) Family, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. However if I was a dues paying member.....see what I mean?
And I mean, as an organization AG Bell is a wee bit more moderate. It's not too unusual to see 'terps at AG Bell conferences. However you might get the vibe that they are still rather conservative re ASL. I remember an editoral from a speech therapist ranting about the fact that California was going to require all TODs to be fluent in ASL. (her viewpoint was that ASL wasn't "needed" any more)
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Not neccessarily, Deafdyke- anyone can subscribe to anything just to have an access to information.
I have friends who subscirbe to certain medical websites and magazines just to gain an access to information, not because they agree with what they write.
Secondly, regardless of one's 'agreeing' or not, an information is still an information.

And whatever is your opinion on the subject is, not only Bell but many other articles from other sources are saying the same thing. well almost- that earlier implanatation yields better successes.

Younger is Better When Implanting Cochlear Implants, IU Study Finds (print view)
Earlier the better for cochlear implants - Breaking News - National - smh.com.au

Deafness Research UK : News : Early cochlear implant use leads to better speech


Fuzzy
 
deafdyke said:
Ah, not QUITE!!!!! If he just read it yeah. I've read stuff too that I don't quite agree with......but if he's a dues paying member of the group, then by default he agrees 100% with the philosopies and points. I've read stuff from Focus on (Your Own Damn) Family, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. However if I was a dues paying member.....see what I mean?
And I mean, as an organization AG Bell is a wee bit more moderate. It's not too unusual to see 'terps at AG Bell conferences. However you might get the vibe that they are still rather conservative re ASL. I remember an editoral from a speech therapist ranting about the fact that California was going to require all TODs to be fluent in ASL. (her viewpoint was that ASL wasn't "needed" any more)[/QUOTE]

That is good news! The speech therapist needs to relax cuz ASL is not something to disregard.
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deafdyke said:
Ah, not QUITE!!!!! If he just read it yeah. I've read stuff too that I don't quite agree with......but if he's a dues paying member of the group, then by default he agrees 100% with the philosopies and points. I've read stuff from Focus on (Your Own Damn) Family, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. However if I was a dues paying member.....see what I mean?
And I mean, as an organization AG Bell is a wee bit more moderate. It's not too unusual to see 'terps at AG Bell conferences. However you might get the vibe that they are still rather conservative re ASL. I remember an editoral from a speech therapist ranting about the fact that California was going to require all TODs to be fluent in ASL. (her viewpoint was that ASL wasn't "needed" any more)
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So you agree 100% with any philosopy of and group you belong to? Doesn't matter if you pay dues or not. You never disagree with any organization you belong to? If You pay dues you never would dream of disagreeing with the decisions made etc. etc etc? I doubt it very much .
 
Tousi said:
Yes, anything Volta________ is the whipping boy for the AGB people and their philosophy which is pure speech, lipreading and oralism. AGB was once head of an organization called the American Breeders Association and went to different Legislatures touting some kind of sterilization law targeting the deaf. He was against marriages between deafies. He obviously did not believe that all men are created equally, should be treated this way, allowed for the pursuit of happiness.
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You guys hear that? Sterilization for the deaf and anybody with a disability. You think it is okay? Is it okay for them to sterilize you just because you are deaf and therefore you have nothing between your ears (dumb) so you can't really raise children. If it is not okay, then why subscribe to AGB philosphy?? Anybody who support AGB is really dumb.

Tousi said:
Boult, I am sure your old alma mater, NTID which claims it is supportive of communication diversity, is probably embarrassed at having an AGB plaque in one of their buildings. As a matter of principle, supporting their current communications stance, they should remove this plaque.
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What building? When it was put up? I am embarassed that my alma mater has that plaque. I just don't like what AGB stands for. Not just pure oralism but sterilization of the deaf people as well. Thank you, Tousi, for telling us about the plaque.
 
Did you know that Alexander Graham Bell went to Boston to open a school for teachers of the deaf. During that time he met Mabel Hubbard. Mabel, become deaf at the age of four due to scarlet fever. Five years later they married. At the wedding ceremony Alexander Graham Bell gave Mabel Hubbard a gift of almost all the stock shares in the newly formed company called Bell Telephone Company. They had three sons.
 
Buffalo, I know very little about NTID/RIT but will look around and see what I can find.

As long as I'm here, I might add that it is my understanding that AGB did not really invent the telephone; someone named Meducci (sp?) did.

Yeah, imagine an organization with the name Breeders in it!? The man was all but an eugenicist! Look up "eugenics", folks.
 
Buffalo said:
You guys hear that? Sterilization for the deaf and anybody with a disability. You think it is okay? Is it okay for them to sterilize you just because you are deaf and therefore you have nothing between your ears (dumb) so you can't really raise children. If it is not okay, then why subscribe to AGB philosphy?? Anybody who support AGB is really dumb.



What building? When it was put up? I am embarassed that my alma mater has that plaque. I just don't like what AGB stands for. Not just pure oralism but sterilization of the deaf people as well. Thank you, Tousi, for telling us about the plaque.
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RIGHT :bowdown::rl::rl::rl::ty::pissed::cool::cool:ON
 
Yep, Tousi, Bell's hobby was eugenics, literally.
Just one full read in "When the mind hears" you never see the world quite the same way again. Also I think its a shame 'culture' wasn't a lay terms back then, as it is today. Like the whole debate was 120 years too early, so bigotry won it out.
 
Thanks, Grummer.

Ah, Buffalo, in regards to which building at your old alma mater this plaque resides, this is the best I could do: It is the building that has Margaret's Day Care Center in it. That building is named after AGB and the plaque honoring him is on a wall inside this building. Ring any bells with you?
 
Look, if you guys want to discuss Alexander Graham Bell, who has been dead for 85 years, please feel free to do so but please do it in some other thread.

This thread is about an article concerning early cochlear implantation that may be of interest to parents considering a cochlear implant for their child and would like to keep to that topic.
 
Actually, I said "Volta Voices" but that is not relevent to this topic so please take your nit-picking comments elsewhere.
 
Moderator:

How do I get off-topic posts deleted?
 
jillio said:
Actually, Boult, rick48 did. Go back and re-read before you start making your unfounded accusations.
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Rick's quote:
Early Implantation

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As those who have been actively involved in the cochlear implant community, understand the issue and have personal experience with cochlear implanted children have stated numerous times there is a direct correlation between the narrowness of the gap between the onset of deafness and cochlear implantion and spoken language (both expressive and comprehensive) development.

The September/October 2007 issue of Volta Voices contains an article written by four individuals all connected with the University of Melbourne and Cochlear Implant Clinic of the Royal Victorian Eye and Ear Hospital entittled: "The Narrow Window: Early Cochlear Implant Use".

Says voices not review.
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Why is that relevant whether or not Rick is a member of anything and receives or not whatever dues?

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Membership in a particular organizations says alot about the philosophies of the individual posting reference to any particular article, that's why. An article published in an A.G. Bell publication is inherently biased toward the oralist philosophy. A member of the A.G. Bell Association who receives their publications is quite obviously biased toward the oral philosophy. Knowing this allows for proper evaluation of the article referenced.

Let go of the defensiveness, fuzzy. It is a relevent and appropriate question, and it was addressed to rick48.
 
jag said:
Rick's quote:
Early Implantation

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As those who have been actively involved in the cochlear implant community, understand the issue and have personal experience with cochlear implanted children have stated numerous times there is a direct correlation between the narrowness of the gap between the onset of deafness and cochlear implantion and spoken language (both expressive and comprehensive) development.

The September/October 2007 issue of Volta Voices contains an article written by four individuals all connected with the University of Melbourne and Cochlear Implant Clinic of the Royal Victorian Eye and Ear Hospital entittled: "The Narrow Window: Early Cochlear Implant Use".

Says voices not review.
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My bad. Voices, not Review. Still an A.G. Bell publication addressed to members of the Association. Still biased toward the orlaist view.
 
neecy said:
I find this kind of assumption-making on Rick's part offensive. Who is to say he doesn't receive the magazine to see what the OTHER SIDE is saying? I've read some very controversial publications in my day and often they weren't what *I* personally supported, but in an effort to educate myself I found it prudent to see what was being said.

And for that matter - SO WHAT if he gets the magazine


Doesn't having people like Rick subscribing to it HELP make it more moderate? Otherwise there's be no change.

I don't think there should be any finger-pointing going on here until you know the whole story. Just my 2 cents.
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As the publication is not made generally available to non-members, I would say that ongoing membership int he A.G. Bell Association would be, for all general purposes, a bit more than a fact finding mission. One can find out what the "other side is saying" without membership in an organization.

How exactly, would having people like rick48 as a member of an organization make it more moderate, in particular, how does one who believes in the oral philosophy to the degree that it was the choice made for his own deaf child do more that give added support to an organization that is decidedly oral in philosophy? I fail to see your logic here, neecy.
 
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