Duggars Family... When Will It End?

They agreed to have more... just more girls since they have more boys in the family. :ugh2:
 
Reba said:
How do they plan to have just girls? Where did you see that?
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I read up the news the other day at work and been trying to find that article. I can't remember what site, but I searched in google news and found this. They didn't say how they're planning to have girls, but they're going to keep doing it [whenever!].

"We'd love to have more," Michelle Duggar said, adding that the girls are outnumbered seven to 10 in the family. "We love the ruffles and lace."
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Link:
washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines
 
Who has declared that 2-3 children is "normal", and large families are not?
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What's "normal" is usually defined by "average". It's a very wide definition, though. I am not saying they are abnormal in away that for example they are mentally disturbed, of course.

If you see by the average standards, most families since long are mostly a model of 2 + 3, sometimes +4, less frequent +5,
and while 7 or 8 children in a family is not that uncommon - please!, but 17 ????????
way out of ordinairy. certainly not average. I dare say even by a 100 years ago standards.


Less than 100 years ago, large families were desirable in the USA, especially (but not exclusively) in the rural areas. Poor farm families, and wealthy sophisticated families all wanted lots of children.
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Less than 100 years ago. a 100 years, Reba.
A hundred years passed since then, times has changed. The main reason of such large number of children was high mortality. A lot of children died early back then. Also, free labor.

Ah, speaking of labor; previous to that time, most children worked a lot harder than even the Duggar children do.
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Yes, and that become outlawed since then, for a reason.
No, of course the Duggars children are not living in sweatshop conditions but they certainly are robbed of their childhood privileges. This time will never be back. Come on, don't you pity them nothing, Reba?

I'd guess it'd be safe to assume they are a relatively happy unit; otherwise, they wouldn't have come this far, would they?
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The Duggars seem to be doing well but I know of a woman who died from emaciation after giving birth to her 13 child. It wasn't an alcoholic, pathological family - just poor family, but they believed in "God's will".
Now the family and newborn is without mother, and the father had to quit his job to take care of the youngest. They live on measly social assistance and from charity. Certainly not fun and picture of happiness. Especially now with the mother gone.
So, not neccessary everyone's happy to "come this far"....

Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
What's "normal" is usually defined by "average". It's a very wide definition, though. I am not saying they are abnormal in away that for example they are mentally disturbed, of course.

If you see by the average standards, most families since long are mostly a model of 2 + 3, sometimes +4, less frequent +5,
and while 7 or 8 children in a family is not that uncommon - please!, but 17 ????????
way out of ordinairy. certainly not average. I dare say even by a 100 years ago standards.
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That number of children might not be "average" in the USA or Europe but that doesn't mean they are not "normal."

I know families with 8-10 children but not 17, that's true. Most North American and European families have 1-3 children, which means native born citizens of those countries are declining in population. Immigrant families moving into those countries from outside the areas have many more children per family, so the entire demographics are changing.

Large families might not be right for you or me but that doesn't mean they are "wrong" either.


Less than 100 years ago. a 100 years, Reba.
A hundred years passed since then, times has changed. The main reason of such large number of children was high mortality. A lot of children died early back then. Also, free labor.
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Grandparents on both sides of my family had 8 and 9 children each, respectively. They all made it to adulthood. They didn't live on farms on in the cities; they were modest "townies". Other than household and garden chores, and taking care of their siblings (gasp!), they didn't do any outside labor as children. When they were teens they got "jobs". They weren't considered "free labor"--they were members of a family that worked together. None of them felt "deprived" or warped by their parents. They all had pleasant childhood memories. I know because we still have family reunions every two years to talk about these things, and I have read some of their diaries and letters.


Yes, and that become outlawed since then, for a reason.
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That's good. :)


No, of course the Duggars children are not living in sweatshop conditions but they certainly are robbed of their childhood privileges. This time will never be back. Come on, don't you pity them nothing, Reba?
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What childhood "privileges" have been robbed from them? They said that they have time to play. They have a warm, safe, clean home, nutritious food, loving family members, etc. They know where their parents are, they don't live in a dangerous neighborhood, they get opportunities of enrichment (such as music training) that many children never get. There are many children in much worse situations who would gladly trade places with them.

I'll save my pity for children who are truly suffering. Unless we learn otherwise, the Duggar children don't need our pity.


The Duggars seem to be doing well but I know of a woman who died from emaciation after giving birth to her 13 child. It wasn't an alcoholic, pathological family - just poor family, but they believed in "God's will".
Now the family and newborn is without mother, and the father had to quit his job to take care of the youngest. They live on measly social assistance and from charity. Certainly not fun and picture of happiness. Especially now with the mother gone.
So, not neccessary everyone's happy to "come this far"....
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And some moms die in childbirth after one baby, or in a car wreck on the way home from the hospital. Sad, awful things happen. That doesn't mean the same thing will happen to everyone else.

As long as the Duggars don't force their lifestyle on other families, why should we care? Unless you have proof that their children are being neglected or abused, then they should be left alone.

Which parents here at AllDeaf really want other people telling them how to raise their families, or when to have babies or not have babies?

Any volunteers?
 
I heard an interview with Mr. Duggar and he said that his wife loves to be pregnent and it's up to her if she wants more kids. He also said that his wife does want more. She has been pregnent for 25% of her life. They consider each of their children a blessing from God. He said that it's eaiser now with so many kids because they all help out.
 
What childhood "privileges" have been robbed from them? They said that they have time to play. They have a warm, safe, clean home, nutritious food, loving family members, etc.
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They'd say whatever on TV.
And personally, I don't think public complaining would do any good to the family, notwitstanding.

Having 17 kids is like having an entire classroom in your house. Yes the house is safe an clean but apart form it - where is concentrating on this one child, on his physical, social needs, emotional needs?
If you have a baby every year, how, where and when do you have time to be devoted to this one child growth and nurture it?

You are still nursing the last one while your oldest is 17. And all mothers know how much time a little baby requires. It's simply impossible. Once you are weaned off (hopefully at least after 6 months) - you are on your own. The next baby arrives. You are being passed down to older children who no matter how reasonable are still kids in needs to be taken care off themselves.
That's the lost privileges I am talking about.

An older child who has to take care of the youngsters, plus given plenty of chores, would be better off studying instead, or socialising with peers, or just do whatever the kids of any age do to recharge themselves.
Sure it's not a sweatshop conditons at Duggars, as you called it Reba,
but I am sorry - I do not think a parents of 17 children are able to give adequate care and attention as a parent, an adult, should give.
It's enough difficult if you have 5, 6, 7 kids lets alone 17.


Grandparents on both sides of my family had 8 and 9 children each, respectively. They all made it to adulthood.
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Of course not everyone have died, but still the main reason apart from lack of education, and lack of birth control, was still high mortality.
While your family have nice memories, and I am happy for you - once again if you grow up certain way you think it's the right way. Having good, loving parents also helps, sure.

But - let's not forget 9 kids is still a far way from 17, and wanting more.


And some moms die in childbirth after one baby, or in a car wreck on the way home from the hospital.
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Yes of course but lets not get carried away and compare some unforseen labor complications, or pure accidents, to the death from completely preventable years of physical exhaustion caused simply by being pregnant, giving birth to and nursing 12 children. The woman's body simply just gave up after giving birth to the number 13 from exhaustion, nothing less nothing more.


I know families with 8-10 children but not 17, that's true.
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Excatly, and let's not lose this fact from sight. That's the whole point of this discussion.

But you know what Reba- I see we will never agree on this one. I respect your view, and accept it. You think such a large family is fine, and I don't - quite. But I'm fine with your view.

So let's agree to disagree. Otherwise we will just keep throwing back and forth the same arguments..




Fuzzy
 
Sure, the children are happy because they don't know any other way. Their parents brainwashed/influenced their children into thinking that their way of life is the only acceptable way like this. *shrug*

I have no problem with children to learn responsibility, clean their own room, etc but.... Duggar children did the different than every parents with few children in household who help each other with chores. What I beleive Duggar children did are really "child labor". IMO.

I spend my time with my boys is communicate in general way like daily news etc (Not bible, I am referring to) and listen my boys´ talk... I can image how could I cope with 17 or more children if they want me to be there to listen their talk everyday... It´s not bible talk but general communication...... I guess I would feel neglected if I were duggar children.


I don´t want to repeat my posts which I stated in previous posts is enough.
 
I thought we couldn't mention the Bible?
 
They must have a whole lot of patience cuz right now, staying home with my son for a week is driving me nuts cuz of his constant terrible twos tantrums. I dont know how they do it..:bowdown:
 
18th child on way!!

Woman pregnant with 18th child

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - It's a happy Mother's Day for an Arkansas woman — she's pregnant with her 18th child.

Michelle Duggar, 41, is due on New Year's Day, and the latest addition will join seven sisters and 10 brothers. There are two sets of twins.

"We've had three in January, three in December. Those two months are a busy time for us," she said, laughing.

The Duggars' oldest child, Josh, is 20, and the youngest, Jennifer, is nine months old.

The fast-growing family lives in Tontitown in northwest Arkansas in a 7,000-square-foot home. All the children — whose names start with the letter J — are home-schooled.

Duggar has been been pregnant for more than 11 years of her life, and the family is in the process of filming another series for Discovery Health.

The new show looks at life inside the Duggar home, where chores — or "jurisdictions" — are assigned to each child. One episode of the new show involves a "jurisdiction swap," where the boys do chores traditionally assigned to the girls, and vice versa, Duggar said.

"The girls swapped jurisdictions, changing tires, working in the garages, mowing the grass," she said. "The boys got to cook supper from start to finish, clean the bathrooms," among other chores.

Duggar said she's six weeks along and the pregnancy is going well. She and her husband, Jim Bob Duggar, said they'll keep having children as long as God wills it.

"The success in a family is first off, a love for God, and secondly, treating each other like you want to be treated," Jim Bob Duggar said. "Our goal is for each one of our children to be best friends, and everybody working together to serve each other makes that happen."

The other Duggar children, in between Joshua and Jennifer, are Jana, 18; John-David, 18; Jill, 16; Jessa, 15; Jinger, 14; Joseph, 13; Josiah, 11; Joy-Anna, 10; Jeremiah, 9; Jedidiah, 9; Jason, 7; James, 6; Justin, 5; Jackson, 3; and Johannah, 2.

Happy Mother's Day: Woman pregnant with 18th child - Yahoo! News
 
Oh boy how many more do they need?

I'm surprised that they can handle all the stress and money since their children's birthday is in December and January.

"We've had three in January, three in December. Those two months are a busy time for us," she said, laughing.

The Duggars' oldest child, Josh, is 20, and the youngest, Jennifer, is nine months old.
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This makes me think they are only doing this for attention.

Whatever floats their boat -- Arkansas had better start bringing more jobs to the greater Fayetteville/Bentonville area for the Duggars children when they are old enough to work.
 
Oh wow, the house inside is so amazed !! Those children apparently enjoy so much in their daily live skill to do laundry, cook. iron clothes, etc...

see this pictures slide.

Portrait Gallery - The Duggar Family

I am so impressed that the parents emphasized the children in dress up and behave well.
 
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