Double Standards? Oralism And Asl?

Hmmmm maybe, just maybe, this is one of those "to each his own" type situations. You see, my husband was raised orally and he can't imagine having been limited to solely ASL for his communication needs. He is now a successful, independent man, who can achieve in the deaf world OR the hearing world. He knows no limits. I am glad his mother chose the path she did for him.
 
Puhleez!

Eve said:
Hmmmm maybe, just maybe, this is one of those "to each his own" type situations. You see, my husband was raised orally and he can't imagine having been limited to solely ASL for his communication needs. He is now a successful, independent man, who can achieve in the deaf world OR the hearing world. He knows no limits. I am glad his mother chose the path she did for him.
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Guess what? I guess oralists have to spend more $ on aspirins from having so many headaches while reading lips.... ASL users spend less on it...
would that be a wonder?

Many Deaf are successful in either worlds so please don't patronize us!

Thanks! :whistle:
 
Then the Deaf people has spent so much $ on caffeine to stay awake after a long day struggling with the world ;)

Seriously, there is no right and wrong. Never has and never will...

Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. Repeat that and life will be easier when you're surfing on AllDeaf.com :cheers:
 
Deaf Images said:
Guess what? I guess oralists have to spend more $ on aspirins from having so many headaches while reading lips....
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It was obviously only a GUESS on your part. Oh, and might I point out that I gave a specific example, I did NOT stereotype anyone by saying this is how ALL oralists perform.
 
Exactly.. it has been stressful reading lips...and also frustrating when I chose ASL and teachers get MAD and slapped a wooden ruler on my hands to make their stupid point.
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YEP yep YEPPIE!!! I was the one of them who slapped a wooden ruler on my hands to make their stupid point, too.

Also, I dont agree AUDISM teachers have the right to grade on us for our speech classes.. How would you feel that it hurts Deaf person get an D or F? He just cannot help it and couldnt speak with a very harsh or very high pitch deaf voice that can scare people away? I felt so bad for this guy because he knew it s not doing any good for him to speak. He is smarter than that. Audism teacher is so rude and disrespect toward deafies that is not necessary . I wish I did stand up for him and tell the teacher off but I didnt at that time. JEEZ! That s a very nasty bigotry attitude. SCOFFS!!

I can understand why some deafies refuse to speak and I dont blame them.

Everything is so negative toward Deaf people about a very stupid grade on their orally speaking.. No need to force Deaf children who wishes not to bother to learn and let them be. No need to have their tornment toward Deaf children. How dare for audism people treat Deafies like that?

Also I got threatened to get an F in English class by a college audism teacher because she wanted me to wear the head phone.. I told her NO I dont have to because I had my hearing aid device at that time. I said go right ahead and give me an F as far as I walked out of class and dont have to go back to that damn audism teacher. JEEZ!! tell me what to do while I was a college student.. SCOFFS!

I feel that speech class should have fun thing to teach us and learn how to speak in a very positive reinforcement.. No pushing or repeat it over and over that makes them fed with orally speaking.. JEEZ! It doesnt do any good for them to enjoy in that speech class.. USE YOUR JUDGEMENT and make it fun and allow them feel free to learn how to speak in their own wishes.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
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feel that speech class should have fun thing to teach us and learn how to speak in a very positive reinforcement.. No pushing or repeat it over and over that makes them fed with orally speaking.. JEEZ! It doesnt do any good for them to enjoy in that speech class.. USE YOUR JUDGEMENT and make it fun and allow them feel free to learn how to speak in their own wishes.
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AMEN Sweetmind! Unfortunatly, speech class was just TOO filled with endlessly going "boo-be-bah" I mean once I caught up with language, (and language therapy IS fun) the mechanics of speech are just TOO fucking impossible for any dhh kid to master!
 
While I do agree that speech pathologists should do as much as they can to make speech therapy an enjoyable experience for children, there are times when repetition is necessary for retention.
 
True, but Eve, it's obvious that you've NEVER experianced speech therapy as a dhh kid. The mechanics of speech therapy are just TOO fucking hard for us to master. You have never been yelled at in the library (or in general) b/c you were talking too loudly. You have never dealt with dumbasses who hear your voice and automaticly think "Oh she's retarded".......
 
I don't know about you but nobody can distinguish that my wife is deaf because she stayed with her hearing and speech training until she was 10 years old. After that, she practiced on her own by interacting with the world and she's a true bilingual today.

It is OK to sound different... being Deaf and not able to interact with the hearing is more different than being able to speak strangely.
 
Ex-oralist

Eve said:
It was obviously only a GUESS on your part. Oh, and might I point out that I gave a specific example, I did NOT stereotype anyone by saying this is how ALL oralists perform.
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I was oralist so that makes me an EX-ORALIST...

never again I will read lips nor speak i just use ASL It is more serene that way!

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deafdyke said:
True, but Eve, it's obvious that you've NEVER experianced speech therapy as a dhh kid. The mechanics of speech therapy are just TOO fucking hard for us to master. You have never been yelled at in the library (or in general) b/c you were talking too loudly. You have never dealt with dumbasses who hear your voice and automaticly think "Oh she's retarded".......
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I did speech therapy as a kid. Granted, I'm HOH, not deaf, but I did a lot of repetition, a lot of gameplaying, a lot of roleplaying, without which I probably would not speak clearly today. Does that mean it will work for everybody? No - but I have met lots of dhh with varying levels of hearing loss for whom speech therapy did work.

And while I've never been yelled at for talking too loudly (outside of times when my hearing aids were broken), I have gotten in trouble for things like whistling without realizing it, or tapping on a desk - similar things.

Is it hard work? Sure. Does it work for everyone? No. But there are those of us who do benefit greatly from speech therapy.
 
Of course it s hard work that I had done, however after all those years that I have to put up with their nasty negative attitudes that IS NOT FUN in todays. Thats why I dont support Speech issues in every classroom. PERIOD!!

I have seen some deafies in todays are still complained about their audism people treats them bad that is not necessary. So thats the truth.
 
deafdyke said:
True, but Eve, it's obvious that you've NEVER experianced speech therapy as a dhh kid. The mechanics of speech therapy are just TOO fucking hard for us to master. You have never been yelled at in the library (or in general) b/c you were talking too loudly. You have never dealt with dumbasses who hear your voice and automaticly think "Oh she's retarded".......
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How do you know what I have and have not experienced? True, I wasn’t dhh as a child (latent), but I have experienced plenty of humiliation associated with my hearing loss. Additionally, my husband was deaf as a child and has shared his experiences with me. And, as ismi stated, it may not be for everyone, but it sure does work for some. Blanket statements never fit everyone all of the time.

Sweetmind said:
all those years that I have to put up with their nasty negative attitudes that IS NOT FUN in todays
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Now just imagine how we feel having to put up with YOUR nasty negative attitude!
 
Deaf Images said:
Guess what? I guess oralists have to spend more $ on aspirins from having so many headaches while reading lips.... ASL users spend less on it...
would that be a wonder?

Many Deaf are successful in either worlds so please don't patronize us!

Thanks! :whistle:
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:laugh2: Interesting point about aspirin. :thumb:

Deaf Images said:
I was oralist so that makes me an EX-ORALIST...

never again I will read lips nor speak i just use ASL It is more serene that way!
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:gpost: You can also use good ol' pencil and paper too, right?
 
deafdyke said:
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AMEN Sweetmind! Unfortunatly, speech class was just TOO filled with endlessly going "boo-be-bah" I mean once I caught up with language, (and language therapy IS fun) the mechanics of speech are just TOO fucking impossible for any dhh kid to master!
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^^ ^^ High 5 ^^ ^^
 
Take it or leave it, doesn't matter to me. You would argue with a brick wall (despite the fact that you have no personal experience for which to base your comments on) anyway.
 
Exactly.. it has been stressful reading lips...and also frustrating when I chose ASL and teachers get MAD and slapped a wooden ruler on my hands to make their stupid point.

Sweetmind said:
YEP yep YEPPIE!!! I was the one of them who slapped a wooden ruler on my hands to make their stupid point, too.

Also, I dont agree AUDISM teachers have the right to grade on us for our speech classes.. How would you feel that it hurts Deaf person get an D or F? He just cannot help it and couldnt speak with a very harsh or very high pitch deaf voice that can scare people away? I felt so bad for this guy because he knew it s not doing any good for him to speak. He is smarter than that. Audism teacher is so rude and disrespect toward deafies that is not necessary . I wish I did stand up for him and tell the teacher off but I didnt at that time. JEEZ! That s a very nasty bigotry attitude. SCOFFS!!

I can understand why some deafies refuse to speak and I dont blame them.

Everything is so negative toward Deaf people about a very stupid grade on their orally speaking.. No need to force Deaf children who wishes not to bother to learn and let them be. No need to have their tornment toward Deaf children. How dare for audism people treat Deafies like that?

Also I got threatened to get an F in English class by a college audism teacher because she wanted me to wear the head phone.. I told her NO I dont have to because I had my hearing aid device at that time. I said go right ahead and give me an F as far as I walked out of class and dont have to go back to that damn audism teacher. JEEZ!! tell me what to do while I was a college student.. SCOFFS!

I feel that speech class should have fun thing to teach us and learn how to speak in a very positive reinforcement.. No pushing or repeat it over and over that makes them fed with orally speaking.. JEEZ! It doesnt do any good for them to enjoy in that speech class.. USE YOUR JUDGEMENT and make it fun and allow them feel free to learn how to speak in their own wishes.

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
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They slapped the ruler wooden on my hands when I signed. When I spoke like a monkey voice. They put a soap bar in my mouth because I do not speak very well. I only speak perfect F U C K Y O U no other words that I can speak. :(
 
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