Does CI person need interpreter?

[vallee]

Right and we also recognize if kids have temper tantrums or showing resistance towards learning speech skills, we dont continue to pressure them. My brother suffered 5 years in an oral only environment and speech therapy and for what? He ended up with language delays. Luckily he overcame them when he was introduced sign at 5 years old. He was very lucky that he didnt have to suffer for the rest of his life.

a temper tantrum controls educational programs?

Shel how old is your brother? I hope education has progressed in the years we had speech and language therapy. We can't judge our educational experience with what is happening today. The strategies and knowledge of educators and development of research base educational programs have changed so much. I know more about data now then I did when I started teaching 14+ years ago.

My student with austism had a temper tantrum on Friday over reading orally. I guess that means he should not learn to read since he has a tantrum if I ask him to complete assignments. Might as well put him in life skills. Come on!

 

[vallee]

They should be written off when it's clear that the oral approach isn't working. It's a damn sight better to go to "plan B" and introduce signs, as opposed to remaining adamant about the child developing oral skills at the price of time that could be spent learning, interacting with peers, and just... being young.

or better continue both. Give them the knowledge they need to be successful - ASL and oral.

Sometimes we give up on plan A too quickly. Educational development is different for each child. That is why it is called Individualized Education Program IEP.

 

[shel90]

a temper tantrum controls educational programs?

Shel how old is your brother? I hope education has progressed in the years we had speech and language therapy. We can't judge our educational experience with what is happening today. The strategies and knowledge of educators and development of research base educational programs have changed so much. I know more about data now then I did when I started teaching 14+ years ago.

My student with austism had a temper tantrum on Friday over reading orally. I guess that means he should not learn to read since he has a tantrum if I ask him to complete assignments. Might as well put him in life skills. Come on!

Temper tantrums because the kid cant communicate with anyone??? That's ok? In my brother's case nobody understood him and he couldnt understand anyone. All his hearing peers were able to communicate with everyone except for him. Come on!

That is denying access education for them. Why continue to put them in an environment like that for the sake of oral skills? What about language?

 

[rick48]

I agree...geez!

I cant believe how much emphasis is spent on oral skills. What about education? Wow!

Since you work in a program wherein the very first thing it tells people is nothing about education but about a mode of communication (bi-lingual), perhaps you should address that question to yourself and your program directors before casting yourself as the victim and attempting to blame others?

 

[rick48]

My program is not a representative of ALL BiBi programs.

I hope not!

 

[shel90]

or better continue both. Give them the knowledge they need to be successful - ASL and oral.

Sometimes we give up on plan A too quickly. Educational development is different for each child. That is why it is called Individualized Education Program IEP.

And then have those kids sit in class for 30 to 60 mins daily not understanding one thing while those who benefit from oral skills get ahead of them? Their time in education would be wasted. That is not free and appropriate education for them.

Besides, we take field trips and teach those kids to use their best communication skills to interact with the hearing world.

 

[shel90]

Since you work in a program wherein the very first thing it tells people is nothing about education but about a mode of communication (bi-lingual), perhaps you should address that question to yourself and your program directors before casting yourself as the victim and attempting to blame others?

Blame others? How so? I work in a BiBi program as identified by the state. I didnt decide to change it to a BiBi program. That was done long before I entered the field of teaching.

Again all kids learn English and ASL. They know two languages so therefore they are bilingual. How much more complicated can it get?

 

[rick48]

They should be written off when it's clear that the oral approach isn't working. It's a damn sight better to go to "plan B" and introduce signs, as opposed to remaining adamant about the child developing oral skills at the price of time that could be spent learning, interacting with peers, and just... being young.

They are getting Plan B, actually Plan A, since day one in this alleged bi-bi program. Its the fact that they write these kids off as early as age 5 at all that concerns me. Now we are told that they allow temper tantrums to determine the program. Also, if you had followed her earlier posts then you would have known that the alleged S&L instruction is not done in place of classroom instruction.

 

[shel90]

They are getting Plan B, actually Plan A, since day one in this alleged bi-bi program. Its the fact that they write these kids off as early as age 5 at all that concerns me. Now we are told that they allow temper tantrums to determine the program. Also, if you had followed her earlier posts then you would have known that the alleged S&L instruction is not done in place of classroom instruction.

Bi Bi meaning kids learn ASL and English. Simple as that.

Your values are oral skills first. It is ok. My values are education and knowledge first.

 

[Aleser]

My student with austism had a temper tantrum on Friday over reading orally. I guess that means he should not learn to read since he has a tantrum if I ask him to complete assignments. Might as well put him in life skills. Come on!

... that makes me impossibly sad. Speaking is difficult, painful, frustrating, and a million other words for people with autism/autism spectrum disorders. There is absolutely no reason why he should be subject to upsetting oral reading when he could be taught without...

 

[vallee]

And then have those kids sit in class for 30 to 60 mins daily not understanding one thing while those who benefit from oral skills get ahead of them? Their time in education would be wasted. That is not free and appropriate education for them.

Besides, we take field trips and teach those kids to use their best communication skills to interact with the hearing world.

then maybe it is time to change SLP - my children love speech and language class. They have a ball.

My own daughter who takes speech loves it. She was upset over the fact that she is going one day a week this year. She asked could I get it changed back to 2 days. Now she is upset over the fact that she will be released from speech in the spring. She misses one day a week for 30 minutes in math class. Her teacher uses the educational assistance to review it with her.

Field trips are great, they provide a purpose in education.

 

[shel90]

... that makes me impossibly sad. Speaking is difficult, painful, frustrating, and a million other words for people with autism/autism spectrum disorders. There is absolutely no reason why he should be subject to upsetting oral reading when he could be taught without...

I agree..that's what IEPs are for..to make modifications so these kids can learn using their strengths not their weakness. Why make education so difficult and frustrating for these kids with special needs and have them lose motivation?

 

[shel90]

then maybe it is time to change SLP - my children love speech and language class. They have a ball.

My own daughter who takes speech loves it. She was upset over the fact that she is going one day a week this year. She asked could I get it changed back to 2 days. Now she is upset over the fact that she will be released from speech in the spring. She misses one day a week for 30 minutes in math class. Her teacher uses the educational assistance to review it with her.

Field trips are great, they provide a purpose in education.

Each kid is different. Some love it and some hate it.

 

[vallee]

... that makes me impossibly sad. Speaking is difficult, painful, frustrating, and a million other words for people with autism/autism spectrum disorders. There is absolutely no reason why he should be subject to upsetting oral reading when he could be taught without...

This is a high functioning student with great oral skills. He can talk and read, just no one has worked with him. He has temper tanturm when made to do anything except watch tv. He is mainstreamed and 13 years old in 5th grade.

Last year I had a student who was non-verbal austism. We worked on listening skills, not oral skills. He learned sign with me.

The point is my program is individualized for the student.

 

[vallee]

I agree..that's what IEPs are for..to make modifications so these kids can learn using their strengths not their weakness. Why make education so difficult and frustrating for these kids with special needs and have them lose motivation?

IEP does not mean to give up on students. We do use their strengths and do not allow them to maintain a low reading level. It can be frustrating, it also is more rewarding as they see they can achieve. My students don't give up.

 

[Aleser]

or better continue both. Give them the knowledge they need to be successful - ASL and oral.

Sometimes we give up on plan A too quickly. Educational development is different for each child. That is why it is called Individualized Education Program IEP.

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm not at all against deaf children developing oral skills.. I just don't agree with, I'm not sure how to convert the expression to English.. uh, putting all hopes in one method, in such a way that failure has no fall back?

 

[shel90]

IEP does not mean to give up on students. We do use their strengths and do not allow them to maintain a low reading level. It can be frustrating, it also is more rewarding as they see they can achieve. My students don't give up.

I know that IEPs dont mean giving up on students. Rick was just twisting my words and as usual using tactics to make me look bad which I dont care. I know I am doing the right thing by my students and if others dont like it, that is not any of my concern. The parents of the students are the ones who make these decisions not Rick.

 

[vallee]

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm not at all against deaf children developing oral skills.. I just don't agree with, I'm not sure how to convert the expression to English.. uh, putting all hopes in one method, in such a way that failure has no fall back?

I understand that. I am for what works for the child. I was mainstreamed without any accommodations in school. I would have been angry if some teacher thought I had to learn ASL to be successful. Oral worked for me. I am not a visual learner. I had to teach myself to be more visual.

Each child has to be unique. Educational programs must be in place to benefit the child not the educator.

 

[vallee]

I know that IEPs dont mean giving up on students. Rick was just twisting my words and as usual using tactics to make me look bad which I dont care. I know I am doing the right thing by my students and if others dont like it, that is not any of my concern. The parents of the students are the ones who make these decisions not Rick.

true, as an educator, I believe you are doing your best. We all are. We discussed this before.

I am also doing my best for my students. Some days I feel at top of the world and others, like Friday, I wonder what in the world I am doing. We do our best in relations to what our educational program is.

I hear that Gally requires all teachers to do student teaching in regular education programs. How does that work?

 

[shel90]

true, as an educator, I believe you are doing your best. We all are. We discussed this before.

I am also doing my best for my students. Some days I feel at top of the world and others, like Friday, I wonder what in the world I am doing. We do our best in relations to what our educational program is.

I hear that Gally requires all teachers to do student teaching in regular education programs. How does that work?

What do u mean how does that work? The interns are placed in different schools and teach in a regular ed program.