Do you support abortion as

[Liebling:-)))]

If you force to keep a baby and raise with less responsiblities (neglect, abuse etc) and struggle with money (collect money from SSI or whatever), a baby would likely to end up a criminal. If you plan to have a baby, you would likely to raise a child better with more responsible. It's a simple.

I personally am against abortion but I respect women´s choice. It´s about the freedom of choice for women. They must have the right to have an abortion if she decide to not keep fetus. I think abortion is much safer than raise a child with less responsiblities (abuse, neglect, etc) Abortion. Remember it´s women´s decision, not your decision because it´s NOT your baby but their. You can´t speak for the fetus because the fetus NEVER asked for that.

I find sad that some pro-lifers are ignorant and don´t want to understand that abortion is a necessary for the women who know they cannot take care of them. To me, they don´t care about women´s feeling and experience but about fetus who has no memory or idea about life.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I have some questions for you all since we know that Palin is a pro-lifer and want to ban abortion rights.

Some of you know that Palin do not support Universal healthcare for all Americans. Who will cover the cost for therapies to develop disabled children or surgery to improve disabled children´s body if the abortion rights are banned?

Exllecent question, Liebling. That's why I don't vote McCain/Plain, I like to see abortion rights, for women rights only, keep stay legal. I know it's painful to end disabled children's lives for their personal intentions; money, some babies may alive for a short time, and go on. Sometimes, it tick me off when some of them don't like disabled children and want normal children... And, I still can't wait for best and advanced technical stuff for them.

Again, thanks for question.

 

[KarissaMann05]

If you force to keep a baby and raise with less responsiblities (neglect, abuse etc) and struggle with money (collect money from SSI or whatever), a baby would likely to end up a criminal. If you plan to have a baby, you would likely to raise a child better with more responsible. It's a simple.

Correct, but I like to inform you. Not all children, who have a poor of qaulity, will end up as a criminal person. Example - Oraph (a famous Africa-American woman) had her poorly mother that Oraph suppose to have a poor of qauilty but she is not.

It is okay for rich people change to middle/poor people but is it not okay for poor people change to rich/middle people?? To me, it's not make any sense.

I personally am against abortion but I respect women´s choice. It´s about the freedom of choice for women. They must have the right to have an abortion if she decide to not keep fetus. I think abortion is much safer than raise a child with less responsiblities (abuse, neglect, etc) Abortion. Remember it´s women´s decision, not your decision because it´s NOT your baby but their. You can´t speak for the fetus because the fetus NEVER asked for that.

I think it's a kinda of rude comment... I prefer to give them a voice; I am so glad that I'm alive and walk around here rather than being aborted person. I thanked pro-lifers for gave me a "voice" because of pro-lifers. If it's not for them, I'm nothing. I thank pro-lifers who gave them a voice when they can't "defend" themselves nor "speak up" for themselves. I'm sure some people will feel the same thing... I guess pro-choice and pro-prolife can't see their POVs and can't see each other.

And, indeed, I agreed mostly with your comment.

I find sad that some pro-lifers are ignorant and don´t want to understand that abortion is a necessary for the women who know they cannot take care of them. To me, they don´t care about women´s feeling and experience but about fetus who has no memory or idea about life.

Sadly, yes. There are somewhat rare pro-lifers who support their friends, for their choices, with a great respect.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Exllecent question, Liebling. That's why I don't vote McCain/Plain, I like to see abortion rights, for women rights only, keep stay legal. I know it's painful to end disabled children's lives for their personal intentions; money, some babies may alive for a short time, and go on. Sometimes, it tick me off when some of them don't like disabled children and want normal children... And, I still can't wait for best and advanced technical stuff for them.

Again, thanks for question.

and Willkommen

Yes, I second that.

 

[jillio]

And rest of it's life will deeply effect on a fetus's/unborn child's on his/her people she/he know if it is not here.
Like I said before, I would not here to effect massive-ly on people I know if she choose my death sentence.

Again, you're right. Just because if a woman is raped and pregnant, that's not mean she will abort it 100%.

I think it is 1 out of 3 women are pregnants by rape actions and have abortions while there are only 1/3 women had abortions by no rapes. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

The same can be said of the Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer, just to name 2. It is hardly an effective argument for taking away the choice of women.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Correct, but I like to inform you. Not all children, who have a poor of qaulity, will end up as a criminal person. Example - Oraph (a famous Africa-American woman) had her poorly mother that Oraph suppose to have a poor of qauilty but she is not.

Yes I have to agree with you on this. I should add "many" or "most" in my previous post.

I would like to share about my childhood experiences. I was being raised to watch my mother struggle with money because my father was a gambler. few of my 5 siblings were troubled with police... I never have any trouble with police in my life because I spend at boarding school most than at home. It could be that I end like them if I spend at home mostly. Only me and my brother choose to not follow our parent´s role and moviate to postive our life but other siblings doesn´t. One of 5 siblings died of drug overdose at 2 years ago (I´m sure you remember my other thread). I know my childhood experience doesn´t mean that all have the same but I would say "many" or "most".

It is okay for rich people change to middle/poor people but is it not okay for poor people change to rich/middle people?? To me, it's not make any sense.

What do you mean? I´m not sure if I follow it? Do you mean that rich people turn into poor/middle people due business bankrupt? If your answer is yes. Unfortunlately yes, some rich people goes to poor/middle people.

Yes, some poor/middle class people CAN moviate into rich people.. .Look at my brother!!!! He is a successful business man.

Please correct if I misunderstand your post.

I think it's a kinda of rude comment... I prefer to give them a voice; I am so glad that I'm alive and walk around here rather than being aborted person. I thanked pro-lifers for gave me a "voice" because of pro-lifers. If it's not for them, I'm nothing. I thank pro-lifers who gave them a voice when they can't "defend" themselves nor "speak up" for themselves. I'm sure some people will feel the same thing... I guess pro-choice and pro-prolife can't see their POVs and can't see each other.

Well, I would like to give you one of examples:

A mother was told that her life would be threatening if she want to keep a fetus to full term. How do fetus know that his/her mother risk her life for want to keep him/her? Fetus would tell his/her mother but he/she doesn´t... Why? Because fetus know NOTHING and cannot speak for his/her mother until she/he get out of dead mother´s womb as a human... and then learn from someone else how his/her mother died few years later after birth. Get it what I am trying to tell you? How could a mother give the fetus a voice because fetus don´t know and can´t speak?

Do you remember when you was a fetus in your mother´s womb? I cannot remember what and how my mother´s womb alike and gave birth to me... I cannot remember that my parents found out my deafness when I was one year old... until I remember when I was hitted by light blue van when I was 2 years old *shrug*.

And, indeed, I agreed mostly with your comment.

Sadly, yes. There are somewhat rare pro-lifers who support their friends, for their choices, with a great respect.
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Yes, true.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The same can be said of the Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer, just to name 2. It is hardly an effective argument for taking away the choice of women.

*nodding agreement*

 

[jillio]

Sadly, yes. There are somewhat rare pro-lifers who support their friends, for their choices, with a great respect.

You said that you prefer to "give" the fetus a voice.

When you do that, you are attributing a quality to a fetus that they don't have inherently. So what you are giving them is not a voice of their own, but your voice projected on to them. In reality, you have given the fetus nothing. You have simply spoken for your own values, and are assuming that the fetus would agree with you, when, in fact, nothing of the sort is true.

What if a woman is denied an abortion when medical science knows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the child we be born with horrible birth defects, will live only 30 days at most, and the entire time it is alive it will suffer horrible pain? And the only reason that child is forced to suffer this horrible pain and then die is because you have given it a voice that is not really its voice, but your voice speaking for it? How do you justify forcing this child to go through this horrendous experience, just because you presumed to project your voice in the form of your values on this woman and child?

And by you, I don't mean you specifically, but you in the general sense, applied to all of those that presume to speak for others.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

as usual, Jillo!

 

[jillio]

Read carefully...

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaFactcheckOnBornAliveBills.mht


Yes, the "rumor" go round about him support partial birth abortion. Obama still have my support if the rumor about him and partial birth abortion is true. I disagree few of his plan but he still have my support... Disagree "few" is better than "many".

Liebling,

Please see my post in dreama's thread about "partial birth abortion". It will explain clearly that this procedure is not what the anti-abortionists are saying it is, and that the term "partial birth abortion" is one they made up. The term for the procedure is actually "Dialation and Extraction", and it is the safest of the two vaginal extraction procedures used in the case of of a threat to the mother's life/health and the life of the fetus.

If we are going to discuss these issues, it is necessary for us to know the truth, and not some emotional and misleading information that is innaccurate. Many people are misinformed regarding the D & X procedure, because the anti-abortionists have been so good at making up lies.

 

[jillio]

as usual, Jillo!

 

[shel90]

If you force to keep a baby and raise with less responsiblities (neglect, abuse etc) and struggle with money (collect money from SSI or whatever), a baby would likely to end up a criminal. If you plan to have a baby, you would likely to raise a child better with more responsible. It's a simple.

I personally am against abortion but I respect women´s choice. It´s about the freedom of choice for women. They must have the right to have an abortion if she decide to not keep fetus. I think abortion is much safer than raise a child with less responsiblities (abuse, neglect, etc) Abortion. Remember it´s women´s decision, not your decision because it´s NOT your baby but their. You can´t speak for the fetus because the fetus NEVER asked for that.

I find sad that some pro-lifers are ignorant and don´t want to understand that abortion is a necessary for the women who know they cannot take care of them. To me, they don´t care about women´s feeling and experience but about fetus who has no memory or idea about life.

Liebling...

 

[KarissaMann05]

#625 post,

I will answer to your comment in other thread soon.


#628 & #626 posts

Sighs... I guess my explanation is not good enough.. So never mind what I said.

 

[Foxrac]

If you force to keep a baby and raise with less responsiblities (neglect, abuse etc) and struggle with money (collect money from SSI or whatever), a baby would likely to end up a criminal. If you plan to have a baby, you would likely to raise a child better with more responsible. It's a simple.

I personally am against abortion but I respect women´s choice. It´s about the freedom of choice for women. They must have the right to have an abortion if she decide to not keep fetus. I think abortion is much safer than raise a child with less responsiblities (abuse, neglect, etc) Abortion. Remember it´s women´s decision, not your decision because it´s NOT your baby but their. You can´t speak for the fetus because the fetus NEVER asked for that.

I find sad that some pro-lifers are ignorant and don´t want to understand that abortion is a necessary for the women who know they cannot take care of them. To me, they don´t care about women´s feeling and experience but about fetus who has no memory or idea about life.

Yup!! Great post, Liebling.

It's all up to woman's choice, none of our business to control their choice.

 

[Byrdie714]

What if the father of the baby wants you to keep it until birth and raise it himself?

Would you then re-consider having the abortion or not?

( I am just curious to know what other's opinion is on this....)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Shel90 and Pacman.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling,

Please see my post in dreama's thread about "partial birth abortion". It will explain clearly that this procedure is not what the anti-abortionists are saying it is, and that the term "partial birth abortion" is one they made up. The term for the procedure is actually "Dialation and Extraction", and it is the safest of the two vaginal extraction procedures used in the case of of a threat to the mother's life/health and the life of the fetus.

If we are going to discuss these issues, it is necessary for us to know the truth, and not some emotional and misleading information that is innaccurate. Many people are misinformed regarding the D & X procedure, because the anti-abortionists have been so good at making up lies.

Yes, I responded your post at Dreama´s thread at few hours ago.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Willkommen

 

[dreama]

Would you call me as a murderer if I choose to stay alive for my family´s sake over fetus?

I'm moving it here as giving birth to a disabled baby couldn't possibly harm you so I presume you are refering to cases where the woman's life is in danger which is extremely rare. If your life WAS in danger and your baby couldn't be moved via a C section then of course I wouldn't call you a murderer. As self preservation would be natural in the cercumstances although I've read about pregnant women who have gone without treatment for cancer as not to harm their fetus although I preciate that would be an act of great sacrifice. I wouldn't consider you a murderer any more then I would if you'd killed someone who was trying to end your life.

As for other types of abortions. I wouldn't consider you a murder then either as you wouldn't be ending your own babies life. A doctor would be doing it. So it would be differant then having to do it all by yourself.

I also believe one should Blame the sin not the sinner. A lot of women who commit abortion's are presurized or missguided in some way. They don't so much make a choice. Rather they are pushed into that direction. How am I to critize someone's rash deeds when I'm not exactly flawless myself. These woman need our compassion as they are going to remember their poor dead babies for the rest of their lives.

However, it's differant from condoning such an act and making it legal. I will NEVER EVER condon killing whatever name it is done in.

 

[jillio]

I'm moving it here as giving birth to a disabled baby couldn't possibly harm you so I presume you are refering to cases where the woman's life is in danger which is extremely rare. If your life WAS in danger and your baby couldn't be moved via a C section then of course I wouldn't call you a murderer. As self preservation would be natural in the cercumstances although I've read about pregnant women who have gone without treatment for cancer as not to harm their fetus although I preciate that would be an act of great sacrifice. I wouldn't consider you a murderer any more then I would if you'd killed someone who was trying to end your life.

As for other types of abortions. I wouldn't consider you a murder then either as you wouldn't be ending your own babies life. A doctor would be doing it. So it would be differant then having to do it all by yourself.

I also believe one should Blame the sin not the sinner. A lot of women who commit abortion's are presurized or missguided in some way. They don't so much make a choice. Rather they are pushed into that direction. How am I to critize someone's rash deeds when I'm not exactly flawless myself. These woman need our compassion as they are going to remember their poor dead babies for the rest of their lives.

However, it's differant from condoning such an act and making it legal. I will NEVER EVER condon killing whatever name it is done in.

Another post full of contradiction and lack of understanding of the facts.