Do you have a contingency plan?

[Jiro]

Wonder if not answering the door is an option. Not sure they could kick in the door to look for guns

Once they did.....

when declaring "State of Emergency" or Martial Law, the Civil Rights are suspended so they can break down the door if they want to. New Orleans Mayor gave PD a blanket authority

 

[Steinhauer]

when declaring "State of Emergency" or Martial Law, the Civil Rights are suspended so they can break down the door if they want to. New Orleans Mayor gave PD a blanket authority

anyone who breaks into my home (especially during a crisis) without a warrant is going to be shot.

Many like minded individuals in my area ... police know this. They are not stupid.

 

[TXgolfer]

when declaring "State of Emergency" or Martial Law, the Civil Rights are suspended so they can break down the door if they want to. New Orleans Mayor gave PD a blanket authority

It would be hard to pull the trigger. For one life is over once you do. And then the person you would be firing at would be an American following orders. I guess it's best to live in areas where that is unlikely to happen. And if it still happens fight it in court and at the ballot box.

 

[Steinhauer]

"following orders" is not a defense. Nuremberg trials proved that.

 

[TXgolfer]

anyone who breaks into my home (especially during a crisis) without a warrant is going to be shot.

Many like minded individuals in my area ... police know this. They are not stupid.

Now, without a warrant, that's different

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

"following orders" is not a defense. Nuremberg trials proved that.

Suppression of civil rights during an emergency is a bit different than a concealed genocide...

Civil rights do not equal human rights, and vice versa.

 

[Jiro]

anyone who breaks into my home (especially during a crisis) without a warrant is going to be shot.

Many like minded individuals in my area ... police know this. They are not stupid.

then I pray for your safety against the police & National Guards & private security. Like I said - Civil Rights and things like warrant are suspended during State of Emergency or Martial Law. Those calls are not illegal.

You should know better not to get in shootout with the police... even if the action is illegal. That's what court is for.

plus - show me any case where the homeowner is not held criminally liable for shooting at officers even if they entered your house without warrant.

 

[Steinhauer]

Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid - CNN.com

Three former Atlanta police officers were sentenced Tuesday to prison terms ranging from five to 10 years for covering up a botched drug raid in which a 92-year-old woman was killed.

Investigators determined the raid at Johnston's home was based on falsified paperwork stating that illegal drugs were present. The incident prompted a major overhaul of the Atlanta Police Department's drug unit.

Well, raiding someones home, then shooting them, is something that you have a right to protect yourself from.

You can't defend yourself in court if you have been killed.

Like I said earlier, I would not have a shootout with the police. I wonder why you say I would - I never said that.

I said if anyone broke into my home (especially during a crisis) and did so without a warrant, they would get shot.

I already know the LEO's in my area would NOT do something like this.

The National Guard is a different story. I definitely would NOT invite a shoot out with them at all. They have tanks .... LOL.

There is an emergency state recognized group called the "Georgia State Defense Force". I am going to check and see if they will enlist HoH and deaf. I talked with one of their generals and he said ... why not?

http://clarkhoward.com/topics/defenseforce_ga.html

The State Defense Force is unarmed and does not train with or use weapons.

No experience is required. We welcome all adult citizens between the ages of 18 and 64. Age waivers may be made for those over 64 who offer specialized skills. Membership is voluntary and non-binding. There is no specific length of service. You will be sworn in as required by state law, but you may resign at any time. All applicants undergo a background check. Prior military personnel enter at their former rank while non-prior service personnel are evaluated based on their education and experience.

 

[Jiro]

Ex-Atlanta officers get prison time for cover-up in deadly raid - CNN.com

Well, raiding someones home, then shooting them, is something that you have a right to protect yourself from.

You can't defend yourself in court if you have been killed.

That is not related to what I'm talking about. What they did is cover it up. I'm talking about entering your house without a warrant to confiscate the weapons. I'd like you to show me any case that will not hold homeowner criminally liable for shooting at police officers for illegal trespassing and illegal entry (no warrant).

Like I said earlier, I would not have a shootout with the police. I wonder why you say I would - I never said that.

Look below - you just said...

I said if anyone broke into my home (especially during a crisis) and did so without a warrant, they would get shot.

Like I said - Civil Rights are suspended under State of Emergency or Martial Law. Warrants are not needed. It has happened and it CAN happen again.

I already know the LEO's in my area would NOT do something like this.

doesn't matter. Once he's issued an order, he has to follow it. If he won't follow it - somebody else will.

 

[DGirl101]

So, nobody sees the benefit of a crossbow in such a scenario?

I am bow and arrow handy....

 

[Steinhauer]

That is not related to what I'm talking about. What they did is cover it up. I'm talking about entering your house without a warrant to confiscate the weapons. I'd like you to show me any case that will not hold homeowner criminally liable for shooting at police officers for illegal trespassing and illegal entry (no warrant).


Look below - you just said...


Like I said - Civil Rights are suspended under State of Emergency or Martial Law. Warrants are not needed. It has happened and it CAN happen again.


doesn't matter. Once he's issued an order, he has to follow it. If he won't follow it - somebody else will.

Nobody would follow an illegal order in my state. That has pretty much been the consensus of the LEO's and military personnel here.

I know the Sheriff in a neighboring county and he has discussed this in great detail. He would personally prosecute any of his deputies if they were to follow such an order.

I also know my neighbors as well as other gun owners in my state. If any order was issued to do this, there would be a state wide rebellion - with the Sheriff's and Chief of Police leading this rebellion.

We are NOT New Orleans.

 

[DGirl101]

So, what is a contingency plan?

It is often called a "back up" plan for when things go wrong. Do you have a plan for an emergency such as a tornado, hurricane, flood, earthquake, etc. etc.?

Contingency plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have been thinking about contingency plans for quite some time. I am not the kind of person who lives in fear of things, but rather, the kind of person who likes to be prepared for when and if SHTF.

For some time, I have been reading about the turn of events in Iran and North Korea. I have been reading statements made by Newt Gingrich (he was my former teacher) concerning the potential for there to be an EMP strike against the United States.

Newt Gingrich: EMP From One Nuke Could Destroy America | Right Soup

Now, this may sound like pure lunacy to some people. But high-altitude electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) device is absolutely destructive, and here is why:

Electromagnetic pulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It makes anything that uses electricity inoperable. This means that your car's ignition will not work. You cannot use your computer to communicate, you cannot refrigerate food (food will rot in grocery stores ... people will starve). Your flashlights will not work at night. Emergency rescue workers will also not be able to use resources to help people. It would be pandemonium, with people looking for water and food. Things would get violent.

The United States Military has a contingency plan in case of an EMP strike. They have protected electronics in their vehicles and bases for such a strike.

However, the average citizen will have no electricity.

Do you have a contingency plan in case this were to ever happen?

What would you do? Do you live in the city, or the country? Do you know how to hunt and fish for food? How many things do you know how to do to survive if you absolutely had to? Would you know where to look for water, what kind of water is safe to drink? How many different plant variations can you identify?

I just thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss, it may be educational for us all.

Being deaf or HoH also means that CI and hearing aids will not work. How would we communicate with the hearing in the event of an emergency?

I'm an outdoorsey kind a gal. I can live in a tent, make a fire, cook food...hunt if I have to, boil water....all sorts of things...

Boy Scouts know what to do...

I watch man v wild....he does some pretty good stuff to show us how to survive....


Its like the show survivor....without the vote outs or the little rewards of food they really wish they could have.

We can garden....grow our own plants, raise our own animals for milk and meat.

Use horses for transportation.

Im thinking we will be thrown back into the frontier days....if they can do it so can we....

We just will have major withdrawals....

 

[DGirl101]

A pack of hunting poodles suits me.

:rofl2:

I can see a squirrel looking at a bunch of fluffy dogs running towards it and falling over in a fit of squirelly giggles.

 

[DGirl101]

If a high altitude EMP went off, there would not be enough troops to police everywhere. Also, those troops have family and their focus would be on protecting their families (remember the LEO's that deserted during Katrina?)

I am just playing devil's advocate here. Do you have an escape route from the city planned in the very unlikely event an EMP detonated?

Would you use major roads?

As for me ... I'd want to be far away from any large groups of people.

Actually in Iowa that may be a different story....We have the National Guard Reserves here....my town has one..the next town in all four directions have one, plus the police, and swat.

It may be the big cities that will need it more....

Come to Iowa....we are sparse....

 

[DGirl101]

Y'all know what grits are don't ya?

LOVE grits!

 

[Jiro]

Nobody would follow an illegal order in my state. That has pretty much been the consensus of the LEO's and military personnel here.

I know the Sheriff in a neighboring county and he has discussed this in great detail. He would personally prosecute any of his deputies if they were to follow such an order.

I also know my neighbors as well as other gun owners in my state. If any order was issued to do this, there would be a state wide rebellion - with the Sheriff's and Chief of Police leading this rebellion.

We are NOT New Orleans.

The Rodney King beating has happened. The gun confiscation in New Orleans has happened. The Kent School shooting has happened. The mass unwarranted wiretapping & arrests have happened. The torture by Americans has happened. A complete 100% gun ban in DC has happened. Many things have happened.

Never say never. People change. Situation changes. You do not get to decide what's illegal or not. Neither does police officer especially if the order comes from higher up. The court does but unfortunately it's at much later date.

State wide rebellion? led by Sheriff and Chief of Police? lol trust me - not really. It's called cold harsh reality.

 

[Steinhauer]

The Rodney King beating has happened. The gun confiscation in New Orleans has happened. The Kent School shooting has happened. The mass unwarranted wiretapping & arrests have happened. The torture by Americans has happened. A complete 100% gun ban in DC has happened. Many things have happened.

Never say never. People change. Situation changes. You do not get to decide what's illegal or not. Neither does police officer especially if the order comes from higher up. The court does but unfortunately it's at much later date.

State wide rebellion? led by Sheriff and Chief of Police? lol trust me - not really. It's called cold harsh reality.

You make a very valid point. No one really knows what they are capable of doing until it actually happens. People may say one thing, then change their minds depending on the circumstances.

However, would YOU give up your weapon to the authorities if it meant you were putting yourself at great personal risk? What about the safety of your family?

I would not. If I was guaranteed protection from said risk by the authorities, then I would cooperate.

The only actual example I can think of a disarmament order coming from "higher up" is when the Nazi party took over, they disarmed the population so no one could fight back.

In a SHTF situation, would you feel safer having a weapon? Do you really trust the government to look out for your individual best interests?

Also, nothing "trumps" the Constitution. As my friend, the good Sheriff pointed out numerous times, the job of the U.S. soldier/National Guard, is to protect the Constitution of the United States. They even swear under oath to do this very thing when they become soldiers.

 

[Jiro]

Also, nothing "trumps" the Constitution. As my friend, the good Sheriff pointed out numerous times, the job of the U.S. soldier/National Guard, is to protect the Constitution of the United States. They even swear under oath to do this very thing when they become soldiers.

really? so why did National Guards participate in New Orleans gun confiscation?

 

[Jiro]

You make a very valid point. No one really knows what they are capable of doing until it actually happens. People may say one thing, then change their minds depending on the circumstances.

However, would YOU give up your weapon to the authorities if it meant you were putting yourself at great personal risk? What about the safety of your family?

I would not. If I was guaranteed protection from said risk by the authorities, then I would cooperate.

The only actual example I can think of a disarmament order coming from "higher up" is when the Nazi party took over, they disarmed the population so no one could fight back.

In a SHTF situation, would you feel safer having a weapon? Do you really trust the government to look out for your individual best interests?

I'm all about being independent and self-reliant. Taking my gun away is a serious safety risk for me and my family because of thugs. But I will have to comply with them and surrender my guns because it's better than being dead or arrested..... which means my family will be left completely defenseless.

A guaranteed protection... no I wouldn't count on them for that. Beside - they can't even keep most of cities/towns nearly crime-free.

Remember - this is SHTF situation. You should expect all kinds of SHTF scenarios including gun confiscations, armed standoff, and.... even deciding whether or not to shoot at a small crowd of people including children raiding your kitchen or supply room

 

[Steinhauer]

really? so why did National Guards participate in New Orleans gun confiscation?

Hurricane Katrina is a prime example of how the government failed during a major crisis.

What they did was unconstitutional. I would like to know if anyone was shot/killed for refusing to give up their weapons, and if so, what resulted from it.

Bravado will only get you killed in a SHTF situation. Keeping low profile, off the "radar" is the best chance you would have.

Make your hoime look like its already been raided - maybe thugs will pass over your home if they think nothing is in it.