Do you feel that hearing teachers restrict Deaf children in learning?

Lighthouse77 said:
I think so for a deaf child
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What about kids who hear well (perhaps a mild loss or doing well with a CI) and are blind or have a physical impairment that makes ASL difficult or impossible?

What about a family who will not learn or use ASL? The child will have no language or communication. How is that better than a family who embraces oral language?

There is no "one size fits all" solution.
 
blind people need access to tacile signing. And yes, Hearing aids and CI users need to learn ASL. Children who are Hearing aids user may go deaf later in the future, have happened to many of them. Family who don't learn ASL, that's the reason why I think school should be teaching it because Family won't teach it to them.
 
faire_jour said:
I work in special ed (not deaf ed currently) and I do it because I love these kids and want them to have the tools they need to be successful in life. And I think that 99% of people would answer similarly.
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That's fine if you think so.

From my own experiences, some teachers didn't have passions or see in deaf children's future. some of them enjoy very much by mothering deaf kids and make them feel more special and forget deaf kids' needs. I hope that nowaday things are going to look up for teachers to focus on deaf kids' future than saying, "yes I am a special teacher and special children are so wonderful. I love my job".
 
Lighthouse77 said:
blind people need access to tacile signing. And yes, Hearing aids and CI users need to learn ASL. Children who are Hearing aids user may go deaf later in the future, have happened to many of them. Family who don't learn ASL, that's the reason why I think school should be teaching it because Family won't teach it to them.
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I think #1 a child needs family support to be successful. If the child uses one language, and the family a different you are setting the child up for failure. It won't work.
 
faire_jour said:
I can only speak to what is happening in my area, but here it is:

Once a child is discovered to have a hearing loss a PIP (parent infant program) advisor is sent to their home. The PIP advisor is a teacher of the deaf with a master's degree in deaf ed. and a special birth to 3 credential. The PIP advisor educates the parents on hearing loss, literacy, and early language development. The parents then make a choice to use an Auditory-Oral or ASL-English approach. Both approaches take commitment and hard work from the parents. They are set up bi-weekly meetings with the appropriate teachers of the deaf and other professionals. Language goals are written every 6 months as are parental education goals.

The parents are making informed choices and doing their best.
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Any of those teachers (PIP advisors) deaf?
 
faire_jour said:
What about kids who hear well (perhaps a mild loss or doing well with a CI) and are blind or have a physical impairment that makes ASL difficult or impossible?

What about a family who will not learn or use ASL? The child will have no language or communication. How is that better than a family who embraces oral language?

There is no "one size fits all" solution.
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I developed oral skills and my family didnt learn ASL but yet, I still didnt have my rights to full access to communication and language met especially in the educational setting. Too many deaf children are still having the same issues nowadays. Your area must be small but I have seen that same problem in CA, AZ, Fla, Mass, VA , DC, MD, NJ, and NY.
 
faire_jour said:
I think #1 a child needs family support to be successful. If the child uses one language, and the family a different you are setting the child up for failure. It won't work.
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My own family don't sign and I don't feel I have the family's support. It make it very easy for me to move out of state. A deaf friend of mine who has a deaf brother, taught younger sister and brother to sign and now she has nieces/nephews who sign. I feel she has the support from her family as she is staying in that state. I am the living proof that it doesn't work.
 
shel90 said:
The only county here in this area who treat deaf people/children as equal is Fairfax County in VA. It is rare to see that like your program and Fairfax.
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The program director of the bi-bi school is Deaf. The job has changed 3 times and they all have been Deaf.

We also have oral deaf teachers.
 
faire_jour said:
The program director of the bi-bi school is Deaf. The job has changed 3 times and they all have been Deaf.

We also have oral deaf teachers.
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I thought your daughter is mainstreamed so are you talking about the deaf school or the mainstreamed programs in your area? Do they have any deaf people as advisors for the mainstreamed programs?
 
Buffalo said:
My own family don't sign and I don't feel I have the family's support. It make it very easy for me to move out of state. A deaf friend of mine who has a deaf brother, taught younger sister and brother to sign and now she has nieces/nephews who sign. I feel she has the support from her family as she is staying in that state. I am the living proof that it doesn't work.
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If the family doesn't share a language, how do they communicate? How does the child learn anything before they start school? How do the parents teach rules and discipline? How do they help with homework in a language they don't know? How do they teach right from wrong or tell the child they love him without a shared language?
 
shel90 said:
I thought your daughter is mainstreamed so are you talking about the deaf school or the mainstreamed programs in your area? Do they have any deaf people as advisors for the mainstreamed programs?
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My daughter is still attending the state school for the deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
If the family doesn't share a language, how do they communicate? How does the child learn anything before they start school? How do the parents teach rules and discipline? How do they help with homework in a language they don't know? How do they teach right from wrong or tell the child they love him without a shared language?
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The story of many of our lives and continues to be the story of many children's lives. That's why many of us feel that ASL and English should be a right for all deaf children in the U.S.
 
faire_jour said:
If the family doesn't share a language, how do they communicate? How does the child learn anything before they start school? How do the parents teach rules and discipline? How do they help with homework in a language they don't know? How do they teach right from wrong or tell the child they love him without a shared language?
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I learned to speak. I can communicate with them one on one. Still, they talk too fast when talking to others. Heck, I don't even know anything about them like what is their favorite color, etc. This is what happened when they want just one language in the family. That doesn't work. That is why I am all for Bi-Bi. That way a deaf child would have an access to communication. A deaf child have the right to have a language that is accessible which is ASL.
 
shel90 said:
The story of many of our lives and continues to be the story of many children's lives. That's why many of us feel that ASL and English should be a right for all deaf children in the U.S.
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And if the parents don't learn ASL with fluency you end up with all the problems I listed. Teaching ASL to the child at school doesn't fix that.

In theory, a shared language is exactly what oral families have. The parents are fluent language models and can explain and use the language in all situations. And through technology the kids have auditory access to 100% of speech sounds.
 
faire_jour said:
And if the parents don't learn ASL with fluency you end up with all the problems I listed. Teaching ASL to the child at school doesn't fix that.

In theory, a shared language is exactly what oral families have. The parents are fluent language models and can explain and use the language in all situations.
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didnt happen for many of us who grew up oral. We got the "Never minds" or "I will tell you laters" ...we have spent hours sitting quietly like a fly on a wall in many family events because nobody took the time to do all the things you mentioned.

I see children who are experiencing the same thing too even if they have good oral skills and have CIs.
 
shel90 said:
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didnt happen for many of us who grew up oral. We got the "Never minds" or "I will tell you laters" ...we have spent hours sitting quietly like a fly on a wall in many family events because nobody took the time to do all the things you mentioned.

I see children who are experiencing the same thing too even if they have good oral skills and have CIs.
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Ditto!
 
shel90 said:
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didnt happen for many of us who grew up oral. We got the "Never minds" or "I will tell you laters" ...we have spent hours sitting quietly like a fly on a wall in many family events because nobody took the time to do all the things you mentioned.

I see children who are experiencing the same thing too even if they have good oral skills and have CIs.
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I don't understand, if a child can hear and overhear, how are they going to be left out? I understand that it is impossible to lipread more than one person, but I mean hearing.
 
They will need ASL for colleges like Gally (can't spell it and too much in a hurry to look it up) or interpreter for college, for courts, for jobs working with other deaf, in hospital setting, whenever they can't wear their processor, etc. it's their human rights to know ASL.

Both spoken English and ASL will balance out.
 
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