Do we have a challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming Hearing?

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That is so true, Berry. Also another way we can stop becoming hearing, is to be more outspoken about Deaf values. To not be afraid to say "Hey what you just said /or did was very offensive. And not to be afraid to say why. So often we become shy and back off when we should have said or done something to stop it.
 
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That is so true, Berry. Also another way we can stop becoming hearing, is to be more outspoken about Deaf values. To not be afraid to say "Hey what you just said /or did was very offensive. And not to be afraid to say why. So often we become shy and back off when we should have said or done something to stop it.
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I never let anyone get away with being offensive - I'd either say something or give them "The Look".
 
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BecLak said:
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That is so true, Berry. Also another way we can stop becoming hearing, is to be more outspoken about Deaf values. To not be afraid to say "Hey what you just said /or did was very offensive. And not to be afraid to say why. So often we become shy and back off when we should have said or done something to stop it.
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I never let anyone get away with being offensive - I'd either say something or give them "The Look".
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Berry said:
I posted over here...

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/92075-grammar-4.html#post1862949

and it struck me that preserving the Deaf attitude toward communication is definitely a part of not becoming hearing.

We used to have a grammar Nazi at work.

My personal attitude toward grammar is that it is great to fall back on when you get confused and communication breaks down. Stop, put it in grammatical. "How do I say this..."

But as long as communication is working... People are understanding each other, there is no need to worry about grammar.

Also, sometimes English grammar just gets in the way.

Like don't start a sentence with "like" and don't split infinitives.
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I have not forgotten the time that I got an unwanted English lesson on which was intended for jillio about intransitive verbs. I don't think she wanted it either.

It still did not clear up the confusion over what one poster said. I've since then looked that up. The example given in my link is much clearer too. Sometimes English sentences are grammatically correct but they do not convey the intended message.


I'm sure I'll get more unwanted English lessons soon. :P
 
My mother thought highly of, and seemed to participate in, Chinese culture.

One of the attitudes she valued about Chinese was the way they looked at people who were "different". They tended to see unusual people, and unusual events, not as subnormal but as "showing the way" to what the rest of us can accomplish. They seemed to be more interested in what the person or group who was different could contribute to, or teach, the whole, rather than the reverse.

Rather than being contemptuous they chose to learn.

Acupuncture came about because they noticed some warriors were actually healthier after being wounded than they were before.

Methods of developing inhuman strength were developed from watching people of apparently limited mental capacity "who didn't realize they couldn't be that strong."

They were quite willing to learn self defense and other things from watching the birds, the bees, and animals.

Hearing American culture has a lot to learn from Deaf American Culture, but unlike the Chinese Culture they will not look for it on their own. You have to show it to them and keep showing it to them.
 
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I have not forgotten the time that I got an unwanted English lesson on which was intended for jillio about intransitive verbs. I don't think she wanted it either.

It still did not clear up the confusion over what one poster said. I've since then looked that up. The example given in my link is much clearer too. Sometimes English sentences are grammatically correct but they do not convey the intended message.


I'm sure I'll get more unwanted English lessons soon. :P
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I try to avoid passive sentences and negative sentences when possible.

Why write:

"John was told by his father not to take the board off the truck"

When it is easier and clearer to say:

"John's father told him to leave the board on the truck."
 
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My mother thought highly of, and seemed to participate in, Chinese culture.

One of the attitudes she valued about Chinese was the way they looked at people who were "different". They tended to see unusual people, and unusual events, not as subnormal but as "showing the way" to what the rest of us can accomplish. They seemed to be more interested in what the person or group who was different could contribute to, or teach, the whole, rather than the reverse.

Rather than being contemptuous they chose to learn.

Acupuncture came about because they noticed some warriors were actually healthier after being wounded than they were before.

Methods of developing inhuman strength were developed from watching people of apparently limited mental capacity "who didn't realize they couldn't be that strong."
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:hmm: That's of interest. I like the Chinese way of looking at things.
They were quite willing to learn self defense and other things from watching the birds, the bees, and animals.
Hearing American culture has a lot to learn from Deaf American Culture, but unlike the Chinese they will not look for it on their own. You have to show it to them and keep showing it to them.
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Sometimes it feels like you need a hammer to drive it thru their skulls. :P
 
Berry said:
I try to avoid passive sentences and negative sentences when possible.

Why write:

"John was told by his father not to take the board off the truck"

When it is easier and clearer to say:

"John's father told him to leave the board on the truck."
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Simplicity is always best. I remember when I went tru a phase when I wanted to write convoluted English sentences. As you may expect, my sentences weren't terribly clear.
 
After dealing with plenty of people. Also, I grew up 100% Deaf school. I never been in mainstream or any hearing school beside RIT and training school that I went.

I could say, I have plenty of good memories at school. I was one of black sheep.

Anyway after have rich experience with various walks of life this makes me realize that we can't win Hearing world. They are way way way vastly huge. Also, I realize that there are so much out in hearing world that we Deaf people are actually missing out. What I mean is that Hearing people have assumed to sounds far more than visual, and it has been there for thousands of years. They relied on sounds because it is alot easier for them to communicate even during event of emergency. They can't image without the sounds. We will probably never realize this huge benefits that Hearing people has.

Im speaking what I have had thoughts lately. I can't put down on Deaf world that I lived in. Im starting to wish that I am able to hear and I have to admit, if I am hearing I may look down at Deaf world.
 
diehardbiker said:
After dealing with plenty of people. Also, I grew up 100% Deaf school. I never been in mainstream or any hearing school beside RIT and training school that I went.

I could say, I have plenty of good memories at school. I was one of black sheep.

Anyway after have rich experience with various walks of life this makes me realize that we can't win Hearing world. They are way way way vastly huge. Also, I realize that there are so much out in hearing world that we Deaf people are actually missing out. What I mean is that Hearing people have assumed to sounds far more than visual, and it has been there for thousands of years. They relied on sounds because it is alot easier for them to communicate even during event of emergency. They can't image without the sounds. We will probably never realize this huge benefits that Hearing people has.

Im speaking what I have had thoughts lately. I can't put down on Deaf world that I lived in. Im starting to wish that I am able to hear and I have to admit, if I am hearing I may look down at Deaf world.
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It is good to try to understand yourself and who you might be under different circumstances.

Hearing has both advantages and disadvantages. I sometimes wish I could turn mine off. I don't want to listen to people who complain all the time. I don't want to hear the guy and his girlfriend squabble over stupid things like little children. For two years I ate lunch by myself because I got tired of hearing people discuss how fat the food they were eating was going to make them.

So many hearing people think they have to have sound around them all the time. They leave the radio or TV on just to fill the air with noise. When I am alone I turn all that junk off. They come into my house and I try to visit with them but they turn the TV on and then try to talk over it -- Then they turn the TV up so they can hear it -- And they they talk louder to be heard over the TV.

That is why I am up here at the computer right now. The only sound is me tapping the keyboard.
 
Berry said:
My mother thought highly of, and seemed to participate in, Chinese culture.

One of the attitudes she valued about Chinese was the way they looked at people who were "different". They tended to see unusual people, and unusual events, not as subnormal but as "showing the way" to what the rest of us can accomplish. They seemed to be more interested in what the person or group who was different could contribute to, or teach, the whole, rather than the reverse.

Rather than being contemptuous they chose to learn.

Acupuncture came about because they noticed some warriors were actually healthier after being wounded than they were before.

Methods of developing inhuman strength were developed from watching people of apparently limited mental capacity "who didn't realize they couldn't be that strong."

They were quite willing to learn self defense and other things from watching the birds, the bees, and animals.

Hearing American culture has a lot to learn from Deaf American Culture, but unlike the Chinese Culture they will not look for it on their own. You have to show it to them and keep showing it to them.
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thats Kung fu
 
high on thread strong on reading! OMG I am surprised sound, I Notice high posts wow! empower challenge! not easy complication!
 
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smithtr said:
high on thread strong on reading! OMG I am surprised sound, I Notice high posts wow! empower challenge! not easy complication!
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I glad this thread is empowering and strengthening you smithtr, I am sure that is Grummer's intention. There are so many threads which are addressing the negatives and although they are helpful for many of the newbies to Deaf Culture to come to grips with their experiences, it is also good to focus on the positives. I would like to see more positive threads posted.
 
The hearing world isn't as great as you think it is. I hated high school and couldn't wait to get out. Leaving early my senior year was the only relief I got.
 
Berry said:
They don't seem to do it the same way here now. I'm told "you are welcome" is signed using the "You can come close: You can enter: You are hired" sign.

One of the challenges to avoid becoming hearing is to avoid so much hearing influence on ASL.

For crying out loud the same sign used to be used for "try, attempt, give an effort, go for it, give a push" and now I'm told it is initialized "T" for try, "E" for effort, "A" for attempt, etc.

Do we really need to differentiate between "try" and "attempt"?
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Exactly. The MCE's are nothing more than an attempt at assimilation. More manipulated than forced.
 
BecLak said:
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That is so true, Berry. Also another way we can stop becoming hearing, is to be more outspoken about Deaf values. To not be afraid to say "Hey what you just said /or did was very offensive. And not to be afraid to say why. So often we become shy and back off when we should have said or done something to stop it.
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I agree completely. Letting it pass without saying something is simply validating it. Of course, speaking out doesn't make you very popular with some of the hearing, HOH, late deafened crowd around here, but; oh, well.:lol:
 
Beach girl said:
Seriously? Wow, that's too bad.

I mostly have very good memories of school. We had a great high school in my town, and my class in particular was quite close. Many of my old h.s. friends are now Facebook friends.
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I would venture to say that you no doubt had nothing which would have placed you outside of that limited mainstream acceptance schedule. Those are the people that generally recall fond memories.
 
AlleyCat said:
I use several different signs for birthday.

When my SO was in his last ASL class, his teacher told him there are 24 known different signs for birthday.
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Yes, I have seen many different signs used from the technically correct, "birth" + "day" to at least 10 or more regional ones. I generally use the **right hand flicking middle finger against heart area** as that is what most around here use.
 
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So I didn't read all 220 pages of this post, but the more I explore this site the more I see negative comments towards "hearing" people. Had no idea, they don't teach you this.... Why so much dislike?
 
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