Do we have a challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming Hearing?

Berry said:
I know. They weren't too happy with Jehovah's Witnesses and a couple of other groups as well.

Just wondered how shushugah was going to explain it.
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He has also indicated that he has many deaf relatives. That was another group on the Nazi elimination group.
 
many other groups were the victims - and survivors - of the Holocaust in WW2.
political prisoners, German intellectuals, twins, the Roma

as far as I know, this atrocity is also the origin of the pink triangle-
 
Bottesini said:
He has also indicated that he has many deaf relatives. That was another group on the Nazi elimination group.
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Really!!! how do you know deaf relatives mention? Nazi elimination group I am puzzled it!
 
DeafCaroline said:
My dad's family is not Jewish either and they lost everything in literally one day, all the way down to a spare diaper for my dad, and my great grand parents froze to death on the streets while trying to escape to Russia - just a month before, they were millionaires. It's not just jews who were victimized. Gypsies, intellectuals, gays, deaf, disabled, and many many more were sent to the camps. My uncle who was Czech, his sister was sent to the camps. They're not Jewish either.
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I am sorry to hear your losses as well, my point had nothing to do with the jewish aspect, but that was why they were persecuted. The title of this thread is so silly when it discusses the "challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming hearing" and it's rather insulting when there are real problems and real issues going on in the world, than this "imaginary" assimilation.

The context this thread was put in really sounded like the hearing were making some type of forced conversions of the deaf, the way the Christians did in African nations, the Americas, Australia etc...
 
Bottesini said:
He has also indicated that he has many deaf relatives. That was another group on the Nazi elimination group.
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The deafness actually comes from my father's side, so no European Deaf relatives, other than my folks becoming elderly.
 
Bottesini said:
That's not accurate about the heritage of many Jews killed in WWII.

Plus I had a neighbor at one time who was a German Jehovah's witness who was the only survivor of her family. Not Jews, but victims of the Holocaust.
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Most European jews are quite white, albeit they may be brunette as opposed to typical Blonde.

Holland does have many middle eastern jews though, because during the Spanish Inquisition many "sephardim" left Spain and Portugal (many jews went there first from spain) and finally came to Amsterdam.
 
I was forced to be assimilated. Against my wishes, i was brought up oral and even when I made it very clear that i was utterly miserable being mainstreamed and even outwardly expressed a wish to die if I kept going to the normal school (I first started entertaining thoughts of suicide in grade 3), my mother made me continue going to "normal" schools because doctors and audiologists and parents advocating oralism told her to.

That's forced assimilation.
 
DeafCaroline said:
I was forced to be assimilated. Against my wishes, i was brought up oral and even when I made it very clear that i was utterly miserable being mainstreamed and even outwardly expressed a wish to die if I kept going to the normal school (I first started entertaining thoughts of suicide in grade 3), my mother made me continue going to "normal" schools because doctors and audiologists and parents advocating oralism told her to.

That's forced assimilation.
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that is terrible on serious dangerous on suicide not good!! that is why afraid!
dangerous suicide!
 
DeafCaroline said:
I was forced to be assimilated. Against my wishes, i was brought up oral and even when I made it very clear that i was utterly miserable being mainstreamed and even outwardly expressed a wish to die if I kept going to the normal school (I first started entertaining thoughts of suicide in grade 3), my mother made me continue going to "normal" schools because doctors and audiologists and parents advocating oralism told her to.

That's forced assimilation.
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I have to agree with you here, but isn't society as a whole much more tolerant than that? Most deaf oralies enjoy being part of both worlds, such as GRENDELQ's daughter who does ASL and speaks, (a picture of her AND sheila022 is just dashing!!)
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shushugah said:
I have to agree with you here, but isn't society as a whole much more tolerant than that? Most deaf oralies enjoy being part of both worlds, such as GREMLINQT's daughter who does ASL and speaks, (a picture of her AND sheila022 is just dashing!!)
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you are hearing person? I am curious!
 
shushugah said:
I have to agree with you here, but isn't society as a whole much more tolerant than that? Most deaf oralies enjoy being part of both worlds, such as GREMLINQT's daughter who does ASL and speaks, (a picture of her AND sheila022 is just dashing!!)
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I agree - GrendelQ is AMAZING! She's also the exception to the norm. She did her own research. Do you think when parents find out their kids are deaf that their doctors and audiologists are promoting both sign and oralism? Not the case at all. Parents make decisions based on what authoritative figures recommend.

You must be younger than me. Things were different back in my day.
 
smithtr said:
Really!!! how do you know deaf relatives mention? Nazi elimination group I am puzzled it!
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not too hard, Nazis were just eliminating everyone who's not German and inside the German group, there were Jews they target them also. It wasnt only the Jews, but any non-german. The bulk of the victims were Jews so it result they were over representated as victims.
 
Grummer said:
not too hard, Nazis were just eliminating everyone who's not German and inside the German group, there were Jews they target them also. It wasnt only the Jews, but any non-german. The bulk of the victims were Jews so it result they were over representated as victims.
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really!It is very lots of German is group, Jew I am surprised!
 
shushugah said:
I am sorry to hear your losses as well, my point had nothing to do with the jewish aspect, but that was why they were persecuted. The title of this thread is so silly when it discusses the "challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming hearing" and it's rather insulting when there are real problems and real issues going on in the world, than this "imaginary" assimilation.

The context this thread was put in really sounded like the hearing were making some type of forced conversions of the deaf, the way the Christians did in African nations, the Americas, Australia etc...
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yes indeed it is, and that is what's happening, look at how media 'educates' hearing people about the technological wonders of CI then we often get bombarded with "why don't you get this surgery to get this special hearing aid, supposed to be amazing" ..hearing people just dont get it, and theres also a huge distortion about sign languages, they (and media) actually believes its a kind of 'crippled language' shorthand, or 'fall-back' and so on...

so there's is an enormous pressure not just from Audiologists, doctors and teachers, its the whole hearing world....
 
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