Do we have a challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming Hearing?

kokonut said:
Not necessarily cruel since you did mention "hoh."
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You're kidding, right?
I don't even know why I am bothering since I am on your ignore list. :P
 
KN, you may identify yourself as HOH, then this discussion for not wanting to be hearing is clearly not for you, so please quietly go to the back door, Bouncers awaiting...
and you want it hard , to be 'hearing' by all means go please yourself, we're not interested in your view, particularly right here in this thread, so go away. shoo shoo
 
Grummer said:
KN, you may identify yourself as HOH, then this discussion for not wanting to be hearing is clearly not for you, so please quietly go to the back door, Bouncers awaiting...
and you want it hard , to be 'hearing' by all means go please yourself, we're not interested in your view, particularly right here in this thread, so go away. shoo shoo
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A little snippy, are we?

The point is that "HoH" covers people with mild to profound hearing loss with their hearing aids, cochlear implants, or none at all (i.e. mild hearing loss). I don't see it as cruel for many of those who lived a life without not knowing sign language or the deaf community. It's a matter of perspective. In many cases, yes. In other cases, no, not cruel.

Other than that, enjoy.
 
kokonut said:
A little snippy, are we?

The point is that "HoH" covers people with mild to profound hearing loss with their hearing aids, cochlear implants, or none at all (i.e. mild hearing loss). I don't see it as cruel for many of those who lived a life without not knowing sign language or the deaf community. It's a matter of perspective. In many cases, yes. In other cases, no, not cruel.

Other than that, enjoy.
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lol, noob. people with CI are deaf. no matter how you cut it.
 
Kokonut, it was out of consideration for you that I included HOH, not just deaf because you kept pointing out that's what you preferred to be called although you do not have mild to moderate hearing loss but more severe than that. You're right, HOH covers the entire range and from now on, I will be sure to be more clear. Thanks for "correcting" me.
 
posts from hell said:
lol, noob. people with CI are deaf. no matter how you cut it.
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Yes, sure. Put on the CI then their dB loss gets down to 20 dB. Still deaf, though. Secondly, "hoh" also refers to those who communicates orally by speaking and listening whether it's with a hearing aid, cochlear implant, or none. It ain't so hard to figure that one out.
 
Hard of Hearing in my opinion is your able to hear sound unaided and deaf is well, just that you don't hear anything unaided. As for CI users I consider them deaf no matter what even when they have processor on their still deaf simply because they do not hear all the sounds as a hearing person nor do they hear with the same quality. I think CI best benefit those who could hear before. I think I'd benefit greatly from one but, even if I had insurance to help cover the cost I wouldn't go through a procedure that may have complications or simply won't work at where my expctations would be. I think if a parent wants to get CI for a child that's their decision but, I do not agree with them not learning ASL or Deaf Culture. They should learn about both worlds equally and have same respect for them. I also do not believe in forcing child to wear CI or HA if they are old enough to understand what the device does for them as in the case where a hearing mother got a court order stating her child must wear CI all waking hours except swim or bathing and even at deaf fathers home.

Those are just my opinions and I'm sorry if something I say come off a little ignorant as I am new to this forum and only deaf 5 years in August.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Kokonut, it was out of consideration for you that I included HOH, not just deaf because you kept pointing out that's what you preferred to be called although you do not have mild to moderate hearing loss but more severe than that. You're right, HOH covers the entire range and from now on, I will be sure to be more clear. Thanks for "correcting" me.
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You're welcome. It's not about what I prefer. Just stating the fact by saying "hoh" does include those with mild, etc... It's also the fact that "hoh" refers to those who communicates orally by speaking and listening whether it's with a hearing aid, cochlear implant, or none.
 
InfamousMacBook said:
Hard of Hearing in my opinion is your able to hear sound unaided and deaf is well, just that you don't hear anything unaided. As for CI users I consider them deaf no matter what even when they have processor on their still deaf simply because they do not hear all the sounds as a hearing person nor do they hear with the same quality. I think CI best benefit those who could hear before. I think I'd benefit greatly from one but, even if I had insurance to help cover the cost I wouldn't go through a procedure that may have complications or simply won't work at where my expctations would be. I think if a parent wants to get CI for a child that's their decision but, I do not agree with them not learning ASL or Deaf Culture. They should learn about both worlds equally and have same respect for them. I also do not believe in forcing child to wear CI or HA if they are old enough to understand what the device does for them as in the case where a hearing mother got a court order stating her child must wear CI all waking hours except swim or bathing and even at deaf fathers home.

Those are just my opinions and I'm sorry if something I say come off a little ignorant as I am new to this forum and only deaf 5 years in August.
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Certainly, yet the definition has also included those with hearing loss communicate by speaking and listening with or without the help of technology.
http://www.rehab.alabama.gov/maps/Download.aspx?id=7
 
kokonut said:
You're welcome. It's not about what I prefer. Just stating the fact by saying "hoh" does include those with mild, etc... It's also the fact that "hoh" refers to those who communicates orally by speaking and listening whether it's with a hearing aid, cochlear implant, or none.
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So, that makes me HOH then. Whatever, I give up. Your name suits you well.
 
posts from hell said:
lol, noob. people with CI are deaf. no matter how you cut it.
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Exactly. I function like someone with a mild hearing loss in many situations with CI but I would never call myself HoH. Once the CI is off, it's apparent to most that I have a profound loss.

As for kokonut, being Deaf means more than just a hearing loss or even the degree of your hearing loss. It means embracing the values of the Deaf culture.

I know someone whose loss is in the near total range and her speech is hard to understand but she prefers the hearing culture to the Deaf culture. I think that her tendency to brag prolly didn't go over well with Deaf because she'd say things like You can't lip read well because you use sign language. This girl used to be my best friend before we went mainstream.
 
so kokonut... do you have a challenge ahead of you to avoid becoming "hearing"? or rather.... is it a challenge ahead of you to become "hearing"?
 
Jiro said:
so kokonut... do you have a challenge ahead of you to avoid becoming "hearing"? or rather.... is it a challenge ahead of you to become "hearing"?
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he he I was wondering the same thing.
 
DeafCaroline said:
So, that makes me HOH then. Whatever, I give up. Your name suits you well.
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DC, It appears that in KN opinion it does. He thinks all those raised oral should be considered 'hearing'. For those who are late-deafened and wish to return to being able to hear as much as possible like before....it is understandable and they would most benefit from CIs or HAs - but for those born deaf who were raised oral (like you and me) should be given the right to identify as Deaf if we so choose. We were guinea-pigs of the audists. As for KN's personal choice - it is to assimilate himself into the hearing world and refer to himself as HoH. That's is his choice. But he should not enforce his ideologies on others. Just as we respect people's personal choices, then he should respect ours. He likely sees me as a 'd/Deaf wanna-be'. I am not a 'wanna-be' I AM severely-deaf. I was born so. I now identify as Deaf, just like you, because I have finally I found where I belong.
 
BecLak said:
DC, It appears that in KN opinion it does. He thinks all those raised oral should be considered 'hearing'. For those who are late-deafened and wish to return to being able to hear as much as possible like before....it is understandable and they would most benefit from CIs or HAs - but for those born deaf who were raised oral (like you and me) should be given the right to identify as Deaf if we so choose. We were guinea-pigs of the audists. As for KN's personal choice - it is to assimilate himself into the hearing world and refer to himself as HoH. That's is his choice. But he should not enforce his ideologies on others. Just as we respect people's personal choices, then he should respect ours. He labels me as a 'd/Deaf wanna-be'. I am not a 'wanna-be' I AM severely-deaf. I was born so. I now identify as Deaf, just like you, because I have finally I found where I belong.
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Exactly.
 
Beclak, thank you and well said. And thanks to admin for making the ignore function possible. Much appreciated.
 
BecLak said:
DC, It appears that in KN opinion it does. He thinks all those raised oral should be considered 'hearing'. For those who are late-deafened and wish to return to being able to hear as much as possible like before....it is understandable and they would most benefit from CIs or HAs - but for those born deaf who were raised oral (like you and me) should be given the right to identify as Deaf if we so choose. We were guinea-pigs of the audists. As for KN's personal choice - it is to assimilate himself into the hearing world and refer to himself as HoH. That's is his choice. But he should not enforce his ideologies on others. Just as we respect people's personal choices, then he should respect ours. He likely sees me as a 'd/Deaf wanna-be'. I am not a 'wanna-be' I AM severely-deaf. I was born so. I now identify as Deaf, just like you, because I have finally I found where I belong.
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for a long long time, i was a wanna-be-hearing, then for a long long time i was a wanna-be-Deaf, now then journey is far from the end, but I have a much better life map drawn up for myself (and many d/Deaf who wants to be at complete ease with who we are) that i am now WANTING to be Deaf, not a wanna-be, I dont want to pretend, i dont need to strive for greatness, I already AM, I already am Good enough. That is all I need.

This is what Beclak meant in the bold.

DeafCaroline you may be a 'hoh' in audiological sense and behaved like a HoH person in the past and you had admitted before repeatedly that you were unhappy and are in more peace with yourself when you finally found a place (inside and outside yourself) socially and personally as a Deaf person.Just because Kokonut PREFERS to use, (he really does prefers it, he just playing with words to avoid a boot from AD, admit it Kokonut) and would at any rate persuade to go back there, you don't have to, its YOUR choice, not his. There are arguements yes, but arguements are NEVER with a single ball like 'sport' there are reserves and there are practice and there are club ball, and international ball. What im saying here is, you Don't have to follow 'logic' because many 'logic' is informed by ideology, 'facts' is Never Neutral either. they make is seem so. IF you FEEL Deaf , like more Deaf than a 'yearning, suffering, isolated hearie-wanna-be and know that's not what you aspire to, then you already know the truth, you are really culturally and personally described as Deaf, not neccessarily 'self-described', for that matter, (if there was a book let me know if this fits/proves the query) that its the HTOD in the past that made up the term and forced it mersimised/indoctrinated their young Hearing wearing children into thinking they are half-hearing (when really really deaf) and falsifying their hopes and dreams to become hearing when they grow up as adults (I was there)...its all lies...just as the American Dream is all lies, not everyone get the same chances yet they say it is all equal- It's like...;"Bullshit!, dont you know it? dont you know it!"

thats for everyone else as well
 
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