Do Jews believe in Jesus and still be Jewish?
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Action (works) is not more important than belief (faith) but it is proof of belief, and is the result of belief.Teresh said:
James 2
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
No human can convert another. A person can plant the seed by explaining the Gospel and showing the example. The Holy Spirit convicts the heart of the sinner. But each person decides for himself or herself whether or not to "convert" from unsaved to born again. No one can convert another.
What does it mean, "to have God"?
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jazzy said:
Good point, Jazzy.
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I grew up mostly in New England but I live in the South now. One synagogue congregation in Charleston is Orthodox.Teresh said:
http://www.bs-bi.com/
We also have a Conservative congregation.
http://www.emanu-el.com/
And a Reform congregation.
http://www.kkbe.org/
Can you please give me those references? Also, if you believe the Messiah is only human, how could he accomplish all that is required of him?
Execution is for the guilty. Jesus was innocent ("without spot or blemish").
Execution is not voluntary. Jesus volunteered Himself.
Execution can be done various ways without shedding blood.
Biblical sacrifice must shed blood.
So, for others crucifixion was execution but for Jesus it was a sacrifice.
The action was performed by Jesus on the cross.
I'm curious why you frequently refer to Christian beliefs as "nonsense" and other deragatory terms yet you insist on respect of all religions. How can that be?
What do you mean by "believe in God"? Do you believe He created the universe, and is active in our individual daily lives, and controls eternity?
How do you define "a meaningful relationship with God"?
But we can never fully understand all that God did and continues to do. The human mind can't even fully grasp eternal space and time.
If we think we can be equal with God, we sin. That's why Satan was kicked out of Heaven, Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden, and the tower of Babel was knocked down.
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John 3jazzy said:
1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
I Peter 1
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. 17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
"Ye must be born again," is Christ's own word to all unregenerate sinners.
He has come in order that we may be born again, and have new hearts and right spirits
from The Need and Nature of Conversion
October 13th, 1878
by
C. H. SPURGEON
(1834-1892)
http://www.biblebb.com/files/spurgeon/2797.HTM
...or Jonathan Edwards, in his classic 1741 sermon, "SINNERS IN THE HANDS OF AN ANGRY GOD"
Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart, by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God.
How dreadful is the state of those that are daily and hourly in the danger of this great wrath and infinite misery! But this is the dismal case of every soul in this congregation that has not been born again, however moral and strict, sober and religious, they may otherwise be.
Are there not many here who have lived long in the world, and are not to this day born again?
http://www.jonathanedwards.com/serm...ngs/sinners.htm
http://alldeaf.com/showpost.php?p=578172&postcount=208
Reba said:
I did not deal with those people when I was younger now I have to deal with them esp when they think I do not have personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That is one reason why I will never be fundie christian but I made decision to goes back to Catholic where I do not have to deal with attidues of "your not saved or your not born again" People alike this spread ill words against people who is already devoted to Jesus Christ thru Catholic Church or any other religion is not belong to Him but living in darkness. .
I am already saved when I was a baby and He stays with me since to this day and it does not matter if I wander away from Him sometime but He would bring me back. As for other believers believe ur saved once u accept Him when they get older. But too many of them does not stay true to Him.
1 John 2:9 thru 11, Anyone who says he is walking in the light of Christ but dislikes his fellow man, is still in darkness. But whoever loves his fellow man is "walking in the light" and can see his way without stumbling around in darkness and sin. For he who dislikes his brother is wandering in spiritaul darkness and does not know where he is going, for the darkness has made him blind so that he cannot see the way.
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Jazzy, I just wanted to show you that "born again" is not a recent belief. It was not a philosophy created in the 1960's. Jesus Himself said that people need to be born again to enter Heaven. Preachers have preached that for hundreds of years.
Or did you mean that you were safe when you were a baby? That's true. Babies are safe from the condemnation of sin because they are too young to consciously commit sins.
But a person must be old enough to know the difference between right and wrong before they can become saved Christians.
This I don't understand. How can a baby repent its sins and accept Jesus as Savior? I know that children can understand and make that decision but how does a baby do that?jazzy said:
Or did you mean that you were safe when you were a baby? That's true. Babies are safe from the condemnation of sin because they are too young to consciously commit sins.
But a person must be old enough to know the difference between right and wrong before they can become saved Christians.
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I do understand the feelings about how you look at in many christians are treating you, and those do me also, which is very hard to point out. Like me, I'm not going to Heaven bec particualar church I go to or everything I do at church, bec I won't be. The point is being born again relate what Jesus did, not ehat we did to earn the salvation. Christ in me and allow Him to work in me and led me to do what H called me to do. Now, mature christians does not mean being open mind or being neutral. Yes, regard of different opinions, must not force people to make a decisions. Also, mature christians constantly ask the Lord to show each step and still growing to become more like Him. If you notice how Jesus react differently on each person, bec its based on the person response. Being compromise the world's view is not mature christians. But sooner or later the Lord will convict the person to corrected. True, if anyone being born again is in the Light, has nothing to do with works. What harm if you ask Him in your life. When Jesus said in Rev. 3:20, "I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice, I will come in and have fellowship with him". That represent to receive Christ in you and also, in Rom.10, If anyone call upon the Lord will be saved. What harm is that? No, like me, I won't make you, it is yours decision and I can't make you, Jesus didn't drag or force someone to receive Him, so neither am I to anyone, my job is to share and even share what I believe, but God is the one who speaks. Its very welcome message and no harm done.
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