Do animal have soul?

dreama said:
Yes, actually we do. Gorilla's and and Humans are very similar as we are both Primates.

Also I once saw picture of pig in farrowing crate. I got very depressed as she looked so much like a woman. :cry:
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Yupp Yupp, Human, most of the times, view as lastly evolution of primates.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yupp :) But I don't trust the sciencists making up the dates without the proof too.
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lol, all right. I just don't believe in billions years because its sound do not makes any sense to me. Heh n_n

In your #173 post, hmm.. Tell me more more specific explianiton, can you?
 
Just random thought of my own...


I am an animal and share a common hertiage with earthworms, right?
But, you just can't honestly tell me that this will not have an effect on a child’s self image. I, however, found myself is interesting to read... Here's I copied from the book that I borrowed from someone else..

Consider this quote from J.G.L. Wedge's "What do you think of the B-----?", 1991
PG. 2: "...the average young Australian, who believes what he is taught, believes the evolutionary dogma that he is only an animal who arrived by chance, lives by his wits, survives to breed and will die... ... without hope of personal immortality.

Of course many intelligent young people examine the evidence and reject the theory of g-less evolution, but the majority of ordinary folk... accept this theory and live like animals. Many come to see the utter futility and stupidity of struggling to survive, so after they have tasted sex and every other thrill of a purely animal existence, they decide to opt out of life into the oblivion of drugs or suicide. Others go on living like animals.

They satisfy every animal desire that wells up within them. If they want sex they have it immediately. If they feel aggressive they show it. If they rape, harm, or kill and then they fall in foul of the law, and are jailed and punished for being the animals they were taught to be."

Well.. If the Evolution is true, then we are just more likely- to be highly evolved animals. We are the result of millions (or billions) of years of evolutionaery mis-fits and mistakes. There is no meaning, and no purpose to be live in a life. Your life is to live whatever you want it. There is probably no one to answer to. If you are unhappy with your life, you can end it at any time. It just leave us to decide for ourselves what is right and wrong.

That's why a white person looked down on an African descent guy, Indian person guy, a woman, and a kind of race as non-personhood. (Now, it's unborn child that they just looked down on them as non-persons)

BUT!

Two simple questions: When children are taught evolution, that man is no better than his animal ancestors, then is it any wonder that they do not respect the sanscity (sp) of life? How do it works with spirit and soul if it shows do not vaule of life as respect?

Mmm... Thoughts? Please don't take so serious... Just a random to think. ^_^
 
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Personally, I do think animals have souls or spirits. I work at an animal hospital, and there have been a few animals that have 'waited' until their owners showed up to pass on. It is really strange to see a cat or dog hanging on for dear life for their owner to arrive, and as soon as they see their owner they go. I work at an emergency clinic, so we see a ton of hit by car cases and other horrible things, but its not all bad! If you look into the eyes of a dog you will see something else underneath, if you look close enough!

I hope that was on topic!

jas.
 
Mann_K05 said:
Hiya there.

I feel this one doesn't merit a response, as it starts, "Who cares about religion... I'm not give a fuck about religion but only point at natural, that what kids are learning in biology class and confirmed like that."

Well.. This statement of belief by scoffers is common. It's not just because of "R" issues, why? It's more likely fills a need for our origins. This was a "science" in "R" because the free exchange of ideas and evidance and all. Who are we as humans? Why are we here? Where will we go? 3.5 billion base pairs for human DNA. Mmm, I don't have enough faith to believe in random chance for our origins. But - this is different ... different than other kinds of science, isn't it? A few people I know who are scientist-wanna-be and they do not believe the human race is an animal but one of them is a non-"R" issues. :dunno: Not all "R" people who believe humans are real humans and not all non-"R" people who believe humans are animals.

For your info, the wikipedia is pro-evolution, anti-"R", and anti-Jesus. So, I still believe in humans are real humans, not animal being. Call me stupid if you like, but again, I refused to believe what you say.. I knew I am a human being, not being animal. That's what I feel my gut. :) You can, of course, learn many things from the wikipedia info but you just cant expect ALL people have to accpet the wikipedia is true and fact. YOU KNOW THE WIKI IS NOT ALWAYS 100% TRUE. :)

Mmm.. Don't worry about the comment ^^above up.^^ It's just my thought and IMO. So, let's chat about the evolution and animals, shall we?

So, let me ask you a simple question, how do scientist knows it's a few billion years of age on the Earth? How do the scientists figure it out when those animals were from the millions years ago? I meant, HOW DO THEY KNOW? :)
Just sayin', wonderin', and curious. I dont meant to insult you. :) I just want to know what's your thought on my questions.

PS- we should try to aviod "R" comments... ><;;
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No, It has nothing with wikipedia since wikipedia is customized website that earn from fact or true stuff, also it was included with biology book and can be found from traditional studies without internet or online then people were transferred this fact into wikipedia and wikipedia is encyclopedia. None of wikipedia is pro-R, pro-evolution or anti-jesus, period.

It's fact based on scientist or biologist that studied on human with class, species and kindgom, we are part of mammal in animal kindgom, accept that or you have no choice but religion related isn't come on widely.

Alex said we can't discuss about religion related then I'm talking about regular stuff instread of religion related.
 
Mann_K05 said:
lol, all right. I just don't believe in billions years because its sound do not makes any sense to me. Heh n_n

In your #173 post, hmm.. Tell me more more specific explianiton, can you?
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You mean about the difference of eternal soul and organism that I talked about? If so, here it is.

Our body, which are called the human is a organism of nature. Our eternal spirits are inside them as our costumes. It's just my opinion. More clear?

And about the dinosaurs, the look of the dinsours, which a T-Rex, for example, has the bright green eyes and dark green skins are only the prediction, and the only thing that ever proved that the dinosuars do exist is their bones. We know the T-Rex do eat the meats by finding the meat chemicals on the bones, pretty interesting, ne?
 
Pacman said:
No, It has nothing with wikipedia since wikipedia is customized website that earn from fact or true stuff, also it was included with biology book and can be found from traditional studies without internet or online then people were transferred this fact into wikipedia and wikipedia is encyclopedia. None of wikipedia is pro-R, pro-evolution or anti-jesus, period.
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Then, go to the wikipedia and to type "Jesus" on the search text. You will see it did claim Jesus is a fictional character and the same thing with Adam & Eve. However, it is a "science" in the "R" intention because the free exchange of ideas, evidance, and all. Yes, it could. It's the same thing with evolution because we have a different theory and view. Well, as for the wiki, to me ... it's more likely have many facts, information, and any intention are sound evolution rather than anything else. :dunno:

Mmm... I think we should drop it off for now. Do you think so? It seems get heatup here a little lol. I think your posts are doing so great explantion! :)


It's fact based on scientist or biologist that studied on human with class, species and kindgom, we are part of mammal in animal kindgom, accept that or you have no choice but religion related isn't come on widely.

Alex said we can't discuss about religion related then I'm talking about regular stuff instread of religion related.
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You chose to accpet this facts while I wrote my own thought on the #183 post. We are in different view of human being yet... we agreed animals are dervse (sp) to be treated fairly and are also against the cruelity on any kind of creature. Right?

One question.
Are a life and a soul has meaning and on purpose to be live for those animals and us (humans)? If no or yes, why or why not? Yeah, let's discuss about humans, animals, and a vaule of life. How's about that? I'd love to chat about it. :)

PS- I make so sure it stay on topic. lol
 
PuyoPiyo said:
You mean about the difference of eternal soul and organism that I talked about? If so, here it is.

Our body, which are called the human is a organism of nature. Our eternal spirits are inside them as our costumes. It's just my opinion. More clear?

And about the dinosaurs, the look of the dinsours, which a T-Rex, for example, has the bright green eyes and dark green skins are only the prediction, and the only thing that ever proved that the dinosuars do exist is their bones. We know the T-Rex do eat the meats by finding the meat chemicals on the bones, pretty interesting, ne?
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Mmm..You got good point. I think animals maybe do have souls.. and I really want to talk about B18LE because of He4v3n. But, we cant. And, you can tell me more. I don't mind at all! :)
 
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Mann_K05 said:
Mmm..You got good point. I think animals maybe do have souls.. and I really want to talk about B18LE because of He4v3n. But, we cant. And, you can tell me more. I don't mind at all! :)
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Yeah me too, I wish we can continue discuss about the R... And that's all I can explain my opinion that's all :)
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yeah me too, I wish we can continue discuss about the R... And that's all I can explain my opinion that's all :)
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Oh, well.. Now, let me ask you.

Are a life and a soul has meaning and on purpose to be live for those animals and us (humans)? If no or yes, why or why not?

I'm curious what's your thought on that question? :)
 
Mann_K05 said:
Oh, well.. Now, let me ask you.

Are a life and a soul has meaning and on purpose to be live for those animals and us (humans)? If no or yes, why or why not?

I'm curious what's your thought on that question? :)
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Yes. It's impossible to have a soul without life or having a life without a soul. If we don't have soul and have the life, then we will be the rocks :giggle: If we have the soul and don't have the life, we will not be existed in the earth.

Your question is good one ;) I enjoying answering your questions, actually :D
 
Jaspheth said:
Personally, I do think animals have souls or spirits. I work at an animal hospital, and there have been a few animals that have 'waited' until their owners showed up to pass on. It is really strange to see a cat or dog hanging on for dear life for their owner to arrive, and as soon as they see their owner they go. I work at an emergency clinic, so we see a ton of hit by car cases and other horrible things, but its not all bad! If you look into the eyes of a dog you will see something else underneath, if you look close enough!

I hope that was on topic!

jas.
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:gpost: Thanks for sharing.
 
Jaspheth said:
Personally, I do think animals have souls or spirits. I work at an animal hospital, and there have been a few animals that have 'waited' until their owners showed up to pass on. It is really strange to see a cat or dog hanging on for dear life for their owner to arrive, and as soon as they see their owner they go. I work at an emergency clinic, so we see a ton of hit by car cases and other horrible things, but its not all bad! If you look into the eyes of a dog you will see something else underneath, if you look close enough!

I hope that was on topic!

jas.
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Yeah it is right topic! :) I agree with u I do believe they have souls and spirits. Otherwise G-d does not exist.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yupp Yupp, Human, most of the times, view as lastly evolution of primates.
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Yeah, some of you believe that us people are "animals" cuz
you think we evolved from the apes...oh good grief.
Well, i dont believe in evolution, period..sorry.
Dont argue with me, please cuz that is my opinion and belief.
I believe in the B____ that we descended from Adam and Eve,
not from animal like apes.
I respect that some of you believe in evolution, whatever that
is, ok?
Have a good day.
 
Nesmuth said:
Do bugs have soul?

Richard
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I wonder too....you will have to ask
Dreama, Jazzy, and others who does
believe that animals have "souls", heh.
But i think animals do have different kind
of souls but not eternal kind like us humans.
 
Nesmuth said:
Do bugs have soul?

Richard
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Maybe. I am definately sure that Mammals and birds have souls because of all the mammals and all the birds that I've met all having differant personalities so it's kind of obvious.

Some people recon ALL animals have souls and I've no reason not to believe this altough I'm less sure as I've never had a close friendship with an insect in the way I have with my guide dogs for instance. So I wouldn't really know.
 
Nesmuth said:
Do bugs have soul?

Richard
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Yes. Insect is part of animals too, and they do have soul too. If you find a spider, try use your hand, waving at them or make noise, they might run away as fear so obsiviously they do have soul.

The word, Animals, is very general and does not mean the behavior, specific other animals, something like that. Animals is just mean the varies of living things around the world. That's it. Sorry the fact we are ONE of them. If we are not, then we can't have sex, can't have breastfeeding, can't have bloods, can't move, etc.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yes. Insect is part of animals too, and they do have soul too. If you find a spider, try use your hand, waving at them or make noise, they might run away as fear so obsiviously they do have soul.

The word, Animals, is very general and does not mean the behavior, specific other animals, something like that. Animals is just mean the varies of living things around the world. That's it. Sorry the fact we are ONE of them. If we are not, then we can't have sex, can't have breastfeeding, can't have bloods, can't move, etc.
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well as for spiders and other insects, they DO have feelings, such
as fear and all but as for souls? Im not sure about that, Puyo, heh.
There is difference between feelings and souls.

But that brings back a wonderful memory that i had with my father,
he taught me not to be afraid of tarantulas! You know them big
spiders? He told me to be very gentle with them and they wont bite
you, did you know that? He showed me how...He put his hand (palm side
up) for a few seconds, told me to be real still and quiet..then this
tarantula, crept up slowly on his hand and then my dad just petted his
back! I was shocked beyond belief, lol! So to this day, im not afraid
of tarantulas or any spiders except poisonous ones, they are the ones
i kill, heh.
 
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