Hi As some of you know the topic of the newspaper article written about my daughter and our fight for CART is being discussed in another forum and of course Jillo has been trying to prove me wrong over and over again like she does here. This student that is studing to be an interpreted has been arguing with Jillo. I have posted his response to her. I think he said it so well.
Quote by: jillio
Chances are, they agreed with you just to shut you up, as they got the same impression I did. That you are wide eyed and innocent, and refuse to see how little you actually know about the issue are are attempting to discuss.
Tell me why they aren't interchangeable. Transcribers provide quality accessibility for oral Deaf. The only difference is their target consumer. They cost the same. They even process information along the same seven step process that interpreters use to bring the message from the teacher's mouth to the computer screen. The only reason they aren't interchangeable is because YOU don't want them to be. You have yet to tell me a logical reason the two are not interchangeable. Because of that, until you actually post some kind of logical and proven reason they aren't interchangeable as Fuji and Red Delicious Apples are, don't say it again. Until then you are trolling on the issue.
I have resources I can use including the two following people whom I will post credentials for:
SAVITA ADAMS, Instructor of Deaf Studies, 2006
BA, Madonna University; MS, Western Oregon University.
LISA A. GODFREY, Assistant Professor of Deaf Studies, Chair Department of Sign Language Interpreting, 1997.
A.A.S., Mott Community College; B.A., University of Michigan; M.S. Ferris State University; M.M., Northeastern University; CI, CT, Registry of Interpreters for the Deaf; ASLTA-Q, American Sign Language Teacher's Association. Board Member CCTRID.
Savita is Deaf and the two of them have experience in your field outstripping you easily. Lisa and Savita have both promoted CART as being a better alternative to terps for oral Deaf, as well as the CCTRID and TNAD boards. Since I don't know everything, I trust to sources who are more knowledgeable on the topics. I have made it a habit to talk to the people in the upper tiers of these organizations and get their opinions on these things. I also look up research articles and such items in my free time. Nothing I have found on CART suggests it is not interchangeable with interpreters in the case of the oral Deaf. Its like getting a fuji apple for a person who wants to make a tart apple juice. In that case, you get a Granny Smith. However, if someone wants a sweet apple, get them a fuji and they will be extremely happy with you.
The definition of audist is a person who thinks themselves better based on hearing status. You portray in your posts a person who thinks manually raised or operating Deaf are superiorly raised to orally raised. You may not think you do, but that is the picture I have made of you over time. Because orally raised Deaf use hearing assistance and speech/lipreading lessons to get by, there is an easy way to tell the difference between the two for someone who knows the signs. You show more respect for the Deaf people who go manual than for the oral in your posts, and that is not my opinion, instead it is the opinion of my Ethics teacher.
If you actually told me instead of makingit a blurb, I would catch it. Most of my time I am doing this and a dozen other things. Little blurbs get missed. I apologize.
However, your beliefs in the rightness and wrongness of it have been portrayed in your posts. I might not be a psychologist, but I know when someone lets such beliefs could their decision.
You forget I used to be a law student before I switched to interpreting. CART is covered by the same laws that terps are. Because of that, lawyers will see the two as interchangeable.
35 grand would be the cost of accomodation for ANY Deaf kid. What the heck reason has it been argued about if it wasn't a concern. In fact, the school rep said himself that he couldn't justify 35 grand for it. Why did he say it if he weren't concerned about it?
I already have a job guaranteed to me when I graduate. So finding a job wasn't that difficult. However, the difficulty of finding employment wasn't tangent to the debate. On topic, It doesn't matter your experience if it can't help in an oral situation. You said yourself that oral methods are different from manual methods. They aren't interchangeable from one to the next, however, they are balancers of eachother. There will always be oral Deaf and Manual Deaf. Thus, there will always be both CART and terps. They must be applied where appropriate. A note-taker is not near sufficient accessibility for a Deaf student, and I don't care how much experience you have if what you state goes against ethical sensibilities. Giving her only a note-taker is telling her she isn't worth the trouble of getting proper accomodation. Psychologically, such treatment can create an ongoing thought patten that the person is not worthy of proper treatment, creating a potential for not just low education, but also future bouts with depression. I am looking at it from both educational and psychological views. You think if the school wins the case that she will feel like taking on the system again if in the future someone denies her accessibility via CART? Most likely, she won't, because the public has told her she isn't worth it. No, not the public, simply people like you who think their years of experience outrank her own knowledge of her situation. Nobody, and I mean nobody, understands the student's situation better than the student herself. What would happen if Jackie were to allow her daughter to speak directly to you and tell you what she wanted? Being closer to her age than you, I have a good idea of what she wants. She wants to have a social life. She wants to be able to come home and just have to do homework in a normal load instead of doing both the classwork and homework at home and missing out on life. I missed out on a lot of life because of my family working at the market, but I was at least able to go places and do things without needing to worry about how much I missed in my lessons. Sure, she will be able to function in ife without CART, but only because of her parents. If she is going to be in the school, the school should at least provide the bare necessities instead of cutting the student off of the most important part of a child's life by making her do the work twice. It is easier to succeed than to fail. The reason is because she is failing to gain information in school to a great degree. Because of that, she needs to get the information in her own terms at home.
last I checked, a parent is not legally required to provide the child's education beyond sending them to school. It is her parent's duty to make sure that the school is giving her education instead of a bunch of iron shackles.
A side note, I have been given a warm welcome into the Deaf community and out of the ones I have met, only one Deaf person (raised orally) has been unwilling to work with me. Of the Deaf people I have informed of my position in this debate, I have not had one disagree with me. I have been invited to join Harvest Deaf Bible School to do my Sign Language interpretation and have even been offered by Deaf members of the Starke Deaf community to help out in a Deaf choir. I have not only read about the Deaf community, I am actively involved in it and well on my way to finishing my interpreting training. In fact, as I see it, the only person involved with the Deaf community to disagree with me so far is you. That gives me a 50 some-odd advantage in favor of me. 50 members of the Deaf community agreeing with me, and you disagreeing with me. Who do you think is going to hold more sway in my acceptance into the Deaf community? Yourself? or the ones who know me?
She pays taxes, which pays the school.
3.8 GPA only says she is getting an education. It doesn't say she is getting it in the school. She is getting her education via her mother's vigilance. Her mother's vigilance is the only reason we are debating this.
No you just misinterpreted what I said, again. I said it is not her job to teach her child. It is her job to make sure the child is educated. This includes pushing the school's hand on the CART services.
And again, 3.8 gpa only says she is succeeding in school tests, not that she is being taught by the school or that the school is providing her education.
No, I am not as wide eyed and innocent as I look. I learn by gathering information. I type up research reports for fun. All I need to do to make a research report for my Ethics class is go on my computer and print off the report of my choice. I have reports scattered across the web, on different report rating sites and essay sites. 1 in 5 will be rated less than silver. This method of learning allows me to accrue knowledge someone took years to learn in the span of a few short weeks.
My favorite report, however, was for my Psychology class, wherein I looked up possible causes of depression. Lo and behold, there sat a situation similar to this wherein a person was denied an accessibility, in this case braille schoolbooks, in the years prior to ADA, and was denied this in court. Because his appeal was denied, he developed a false sensibility that he wasn't worth getting such things. Sound fun?
