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Politicians obviously don't know jackshit when it come to dogs. They just pass the anti-dog laws to please the bloody screamers.

Bloody screamers? What about those children who went through all that hell during the attack? None of their feelings count?

I think they made that law just to be safe than sorry, I think children should be able to play in their yard safe not being afraid to play outdoors knowing dogs are roaming around loose.

Seems like some people here only care about dogs, what about children, what about people? I'm done debating with people who have coldness hearts.
 
I had a friendly male adult boxer. We went out for a walk in the limited area of woods in my town. There was a Rottweiler toward my dog. He looked afraid of Rottweiler because the dog was so big even much fatter than my poor dog. He attacked my dog and some bleedling on his face and his neck. I was afraid to death. I grabbed a large stick to get that damn dog out of here. Finally, he went back into the woods - probably he went home in other side of the woods. I was so angry that I do not see a dog owner in the area. I wished that I would have brought my mace so that it would have prevented this happen, but my mace permit was expired at that time. My dog had some scars on his face. It was a good thing that he was not killed. Whew!
 
Dog Owner's Guide: Dogs and the law
This is broad. And? What is your agruement? This is for all states not just OHIO. ]


I am reading this article and it does not point out that all rottweiliers, german shepherds, or pitbulls are required to muzzle. It only said that dogs that are considered vicious or have been proved to be vicious are required to muzzle. If a lab is being aggressive, it is required by the law to muzzle too. And an expensive insurance. And it does not matter if this dog is a pitbull or not.

If you re read your post one more time on the ohio law about pitbull, it said it has no descprition of pitbull law.
 
I am reading this article and it does not point out that all rottweiliers, german shepherds, or pitbulls are required to muzzle. It only said that dogs that are considered vicious or have been proved to be vicious are required to muzzle. If a lab is being aggressive, it is required by the law to muzzle too. And an expensive insurance. And it does not matter if this dog is a pitbull or not.

If you re read your post one more time on the ohio law about pitbull, it said it has no descprition of pitbull law.

Listen, I already called my hometown Pet control they told me the same thing, I told you. I live in Ohio, You don't, so what do you know? ;)
 
Pittbulls and Ohio Law

Ohio’s vicious dog law requires that owners of pit bulls confine their dogs in a pen with a top or in a fenced yard or by chaining, control the dog with a chain link leash or a muzzle when in public, and purchase $100,000 liability insurance. If the pit bull has been debarked, it is confiscated and killed and the owner is subject to felony charges.

I too know that this is law in Ohio and I also know that this same law covers Rottweilers!

I used to own the sweetest pittbull/rottweiler mix and when animal control was called due to my dog *supposedly biting someone*, I was asked if I had a 100,000 liability insurance and a outdoor kennel for the dog when it was outside. When I responded no they wanted to take the dog and put it to sleep. I refused and ended up having to go court over it. I took the dog out of the county to a no-kill shelter to be readopted, due to Ohio law. Later, it was proven my dog bit no one. That is was next doors husky/wolf mix that did it.

So, as you can see I am very very familiar with Ohio's vicious dog law. And not to mention that Ohio is legislating to ban pittbull and rottweiler owning period.
 
In Florida... it is illegal to own pitbulls.. if caught.. the owners will be fined heavily and put pitbulls to sleep...
 
In Florida... it is illegal to own pitbulls.. if caught.. the owners will be fined heavily and put pitbulls to sleep...
Yes That's correct. I saw it on Animal precient of Miami. It was amazing that they hide their pitbulls till the animals cops found them and arrested the owners.
 
My best friend got bit by St Bernard for no reason. She was petting that dog. The dog snapped and bit my best friend's cheek. It was small mark. Her aunt were so sorry and pulled the dog away from my friend and took the dog home. She told me that the dog had put into sleep.
 
www.NoPitbullBans.com » About CDC Bite Stats

About CDC Bite Stats
Lately, certain politicians, who claim to be well-researched but are anything but, have cited Centers for Disease Control dog bite statistics* to “prove” that bully breeds are inherently vicious. Because so many politicians have cited the CDC report of late, we thought we’d take a look at the CDC statistics and see if we could glean some kind of meaning from this oft-cited report. If you’d like to read the report for yourself, see “Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. The report appears to show “pit bulls” as being responsible for nearly one-third (31.13%) of human fatalities over the twenty year period from 1979-1998, and certainly such eyebrow-raising findings merit closer scrutiny. But as we’ll show, the statistics are largely inaccurate for a multitude of reasons.

The statistical high rate of fatality due to alleged “pit bull-type dogs” is rife with inaccuracy simply because bullies are the most newsworthy breeds, as the CDC readily admits:

“..to the extent that attacks by 1 breed are more newsworthy than those by other breeds, our methods may have resulted in differential ascertainment of fatalities by breed.” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 838).

With the knowledge that the CDC statistics are inaccurate, and the methodology by which the statistics acquired flawed, we can easily begin to poke holes in those arguments which BSL supporters use to make their claims about “pitbulls” as dangerous. One flaw in the statistics comes from the difficulty on the part of the average person (and even the experts) to identify a breed of dog accurately, especially under extreme stress such as occurs during an attack (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 838). As such, many victim and bystander reports are specious. For instance, a person could be bitten or killed by a Labrador, and if the victim or witnesses claim it was a “pitbull,” then the breed would most likely be reported accordingly. In other words, breed identification is subjective. With the media reporting a majority of the time on “pitbulls,” which breed of dog do you think will be cited as responsible most often by victims of dog bites? The media has worked the idea of “pitbulls” as vicious into the collective conscious and in turn victims of dog bites often draw on this erroneous media reporting to finger “pitbulls” as culpable for a dog attack whether the dog responsible was a “pitbull” or not.

Much like the media, the CDC is also unable to get their reporting correct, but the CDC at least has an excuse: missing population data. In addition to breed misidentification, the CDC statistics are inaccurate because they are not based on “reliable breed-specific population data” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 838). Therefore, it is hard to discern how much of the “pitbull” population is prone to bite since the numbers of the “pitbull” population are unknown.

Another problem in acquiring breed data for “pit bull-type dogs,” as the CDC defines them, is that there is no breed called “pit bull-type dog.” Housed beneath this designation are at least twenty different breeds of dog. Lump twenty breeds of dog together and you will certainly have what looks like a breed problem as relates to dog bites and dog-bite-related fatalities! What you’ll also have is a massive skewing of the statistical data rendering the findings erroneous and misleading. The CDC is not to blame for the designation “pit bull-type dog.” Most of the reports they have been given list the breed as “pit bull,” though there is no breed called “pit bull.” There are American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers which often get referred to by the slang term “pit bull,” but so too are several other breeds of dog like Presa Canarios, Cane Corsos, Spanish Alanos, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Bandogs, Dogues Brasileiros, Dogo Argentino, Guatemalan Bull Terriers, American Bulldogs, Boxers, Bull Mastiffs, Bull Terriers, English Bulldogs, and even Rottweilers, Akitas, and Chow Chows.

Identification difficulties aside, there are other fundamental problems with the CDC bite statistics. Despite what BSL proponents believe, there are mitigating factors involved with bully breed dog bites specifically:

“…it is imperative to keep in mind that even if breed-specific bite rates could be accurately calculated, they do not factor in owner-related issues. For example, less responsible owners or owners who want to foster aggression in their dogs may be drawn differentially to certain breeds” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 839).

What the CDC means by “owner-related issues” is the tradition of exploitation that bully breeds have endured since their inception. Owners of these dogs, particularly now, who use them for “street” dog fighting often torture bullies to make them vicious. Torture as relates to a “street” fighting dog often includes: starvation, socialization deprivation, electrocution, steroid abuse, beating, excessive treadmill training, water torture, and being staked to a short chain for the whole of their existence. Worse still is if/when they lose fights, these dogs, who’ve been tortured their whole lives, are often strung up and hanged, starved to death, beaten to death, shot, or set on fire alive. The “lucky” ones are often simply let go to roam the streets of our cities. Indeed, many of these let-go pit fighting dogs have been involved in attacks, though the cities or municipalities in which these attacks occur refuse to admit to it and often propose BSL to divert attention away from the real problems: gangs, drugs, and the socio-ecnomic disparities which drive youths to the gang and drug lifestyle.

Ultimately, there are several factors which affect any dog’s inclination to bite:

“…sex, early experience, socialization and training, health (medical and behavioral), reproductive status, quality of ownership and supervision, and victim behavior” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 839).

But bullies have all these factors affecting them in addition to being the most exploited breeds of dog in existence. Still, it is a testament to the quality of the breed that even though many are unsocialized, tortured, and otherwise ill-used, very few are human-aggressive. I hesitate even to include abuse as a factor since even when they are abused most bullies are incredibly friendly and loving towards humans. You can thank over a hundred years of proper breeding for this trait.


Bullies have become easy scapegoats for politicians who can’t or won’t face up to the real issues, like gangs and drugs. As such, municipalities have begun passing breed-specific legislation (BSL) but,

“…breed-specific ordinances raise several practical issues. For optimal enforcement, there would need to be an objective method of determining the breed of a particular dog. Pedigree analysis (a potentially time-consuming and complicated effort) combined with DNA testing (also time-consuming and expensive) is the closest to an objective standard for conclusively identifying a dog’s breed. Owners of mixed-breed or unregistered (ie, by a kennel club) dogs have no way of knowing whether their dog is one of the types identified and whether they are required to comply with breed-specific ordinances. Thus, law enforcement personnel have few means for positively determining a dog’s breed and deciding whether owners are in compliance or violation of laws” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 839).

In addition to the difficulty of determining a dog’s breed, BSL also brings up constitutional issues. Under the 14th amendment, states cannot deprive citizens of their right to life, liberty, or property. Because our pets are our property, we have the right to Due Process afforded us under the 14th amendment (and under the 5th amendment should the federal government try to pass nationwide). Due Process was incorporated into the constitution to ensure that “no one is deprived of life, liberty, or property arbitrarily and without opportunity to affect the judgment or result. This minimum protection extends to all government proceedings that can result in an individual’s deprivation, whether civil or criminal in nature…” How then can any government — federal, state, or local — legally pass BSL without first giving owners of dogs a chance to affect the passage of the BSL?

The 14th amendment also contains what is called an Equal Protection Clause, which provides that, “…no state shall … deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” In terms of BSL, equal protection under the 14th amendment means it is unlawful for states to pass legislation which unfairly deprives some dog owners of their dogs while other citizens, though their dogs too have the potential to bite, are not deprived of their dogs. Further, how is it constitutionally lawful to ban citizens’ dogs when it is difficult if not impossible to definitively determine breed?


The CDC too has pondered the legal ramifications surrounding BSL:

“When a specific breed of dog has been selected for stringent control, 2 constitutional questions concerning dog owners? fourteenth amendment rights have been raised: first, because all types of dogs may inflict injury to people and property, ordinances addressing only 1 breed of dog are argued to be underinclusive and, therefore, violate owners’ equal protection rights; and second, because identification of a dog’s breed with the certainty necessary to impose sanctions on the dog’s owner is prohibitively difficult, such ordinances have been argued as unconstitutionally vague, and, therefore, violate due process” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 839).

It is our position here at NoPitBullBans.com that it is never legal or within constitutional bounds to pass breed-specific legislation simply because science is unable to prove that bullies are inherently dangerous. Nor can breed be determined definitively enough to warrant owners’ deprivation of their property (their dogs). Additionally, BSL has not been statistically proven to work. The CDC concurs:

“Breed-specific legislation does not address the fact that a dog of any breed can become dangerous when bred or trained to be aggressive. From a scientific point of view, we are unaware of any formal evaluation of the effectiveness of breed-specific legislation in preventing fatal or nonfatal dog bites. An alternative to breed-specific legislation is to regulate individual dogs and owners on the basis of their behavior” (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000 Vet Med Today: Special Report 839-840).

Because BSL is fraught with many fundamental constitutional and logistical issues, it is also much more expensive than vicious dog laws which punish not the breed, but individual acts of dog aggression, making owners responsible for their dogs’ behavior.

Actually, the CDC offers much more practical and inexpensive ways of curbing dog bites and dog attacks such as proposing and enforcing leash laws and laws against dog fighting, better Animal Control enforcement (which often is simply a matter of needing more personnel), educating owners about the importance of spaying and neutering, and encouraging dog training and socialization. Another key area needing improvement is the amount of free-roaming dogs. Breed-specific legislation does not prevent dog attacks related to free-roaming dogs since the same irresponsible owners who let their dogs free-roam before the breed ban was passed will continue to disregard the law after a ban is passed (JAVMA, Vol 217, No. 6, September 15, 2000, p. 840).

So to recap, what do we really know about bullies based on the CDC report? We know that it is difficult if not impossible to discern breed with any certainty even for experts. We know that because of the difficulty surrounding breed identification that dog bite statistics and dog-bite related fatalities related to bully breeds are greatly skewed. We know that there is no breed of dog called “pit bull” or “pit bull-type dog.” We know there is no scientific evidence that one breed of dog is more vicious than another. We know that breed-specific legislation is expensive, impossible to enforce, and abounding in constitutional issues.

What we don’t know for certain is why politicians continue to propose breed-specific legislation when they know it doesn’t work. Municipalities pass breed bans — usually as a result of recent attacks by dogs that may or may not have been bullies — to appear to the public as if they are responsive to what the media posits is a breed problem. As such, our beloved bullies take the fall for societal problems. But now that you are armed with the truth about CDC bite statistics, you can challenge the next politician who errantly cites the CDC report as “proof” that bully breeds are vicious and dangerous. The only thing the CDC report proves is that bully breeds are victims of humans overwhelmingly more often than humans are victims of bully breeds.

*See what the recent decision from the Ohio Appeals Court has to say about CDC statistics by clicking here.
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Breed-specific legislation (BSL) is unconstitutional because it violates the 14th amendment of the constitution (commonly referred to as citizens’ civil liberties), particularly the equal protection and due process clauses. The 14th amendment states:

“No State shall…deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Our dogs are our property and they cannot be taken away from us legally unless it can be proven that they constitute a danger to the general public. Bully breeds and Rottweilers, breeds most often singled out for breed-specific legislation (BSL), have not been proven to be any more dangerous than any other breeds of dog. As such, BSL infringes on citizens’ equal protection rights.

Further, because it is at this time impossible to prove breed heredity, BSL also infringes on citizens’ due process rights. Every citizen has a right under the due process clause to attempt to affect the outcome of a municipal or state-imposed deprivation of property (in this case, citizens’ dogs). When BSL is imposed and the owner is penalized yet it cannot be determined that the dog is indeed the banned breed in question, the dog owner’s due process rights are infringed upon.

Breed ban proponents and dog owners alike would do well to know these rights and to have a better understanding of why BSL is an infringement of them.

www.NoPitbullBans.com » Why BSL is Unconstitutional

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Cane Corso? where did you get that information?? wheres the link?? I want to see it. Thanks
 
Various Dogs Depending on Breed

Hi, this is for everyone to read:
I would like to point out some things about dogs of every breed. I am not very comfortable whenever I see a big dog. It is because I am in a wheelchair. I am sure that any of you would disagree because a lot of disabled people have big dogs trained as a guidance dog. I would STILL feel uncomfortable. Pitbulls for example, they might need special kind of training to behave properly. Oftentimes, trained or nontrained pitbulls like us humans can throw a short fuse for [strong]NO[/strong] reason; they get real aggressive and go on a rampage to look for something to "destroy". I read the newspaper daily I'd often see stories of a pitbull or pitbulls mauling people somewhere outside of the neighborhood. Especially in my hometown in California where I live, there was a young little girl, she got mauled badly by a pitbull. She was bitten on her cheek. She was required to have many stitches on her face because of the size of a pitbull's mouth so huge. A pitbull's jaw is the most powerful weapon which can severely harm or kill. As of recently, state of California will prohibit to be pitbull owners or pitbull owners from owning a pitbull. It is not definite yet but will be soon.

Of course, pitbulls have social issues to deal with they demand to get so much attention. People view pitbulls as a bad image of being a bad and dangerous dog among other breeds.

My Two Cents,
LeezaC
 
Politicians obviously don't know jackshit when it come to dogs. They just pass the anti-dog laws to please the bloody screamers.


Blame it on the stupid dog owners, this would have never happened if some owners quit adopting dogs for the wrong reasons :thumbd:


And one more thing I would like to add is muzzing an aggressive dog and putting dogs on leashes save lives of human and animals...
 
I don't think it's the breed that makes a dog, any dog, dangerous. It's the attitude of the dog owner towards the dog.

I totally agree! Very true. I had a friend of mine who had a pitbull dog. Aww... he is soo cute. Very meeeellow dog. He has all white fur all over him. When I came to visit my friend, I've always come to that dog and give him some hugs. I love her dog to death. :aw:

My friend laughed when I came over for her dog. :lol:
 
Oh my gosh...speaking of dangerous dogs..here is what happened to us yesterday..

I took my son and daughter for my daughter's softball game and I went to sit on the bench, another mother came to sit next to me. She brought her 2 small children and her rotweiller. My son saw the dog and he went over to pet it and I was like NO! The woman said the dog is not dangerous and loves kids. Still, I always get nervous cuz my cousin when he was a baby got brutally attacked by the pet dog which was a Doberman..nearly killed him. Because I was there ..I was about 10 years old, I have issues with big dogs and small children together. Doesnt matter what breed. Anyways..I let my son pet the BACK of the dog not its head..no way. My husband shows up 30 mins later...and he saw the dog and I told him that the dog likes children so he walked with our son over to the dog and as my son was about to pet him the dog jumped up and started attacking at my husband barking, growling and snarling and I immediately grabbed my son. Luckily the dog was on a leash and the woman said "I am sorry..he doesnt like men." I am like WTF..WHY FUCKING bring the dog to a park full of adults and children if he doesnt like men? Forget letting my son pet a big dog ever again! My husband said if the dog bit him or our son, he will seriously fuck the dog up and it will become ugly. How stupid can that woman be? That means she will bring the dog to every game (yesterday was the first game)? What should I do? Report to the police or what?
 
Wow, sorry to hear that Shel90, I heard from someone that some dogs do have specific fears in men, sometimes they would either bark, growls or snaps at them...I'm glad to hear that the dog was on leash but she would have to keep her dog under-control if someone does approach her dog in public places, and only call the police or animal control if her dog happen to attack someone or a pet...
 
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