Die for your country! Or they will do it for you!

looks like there was a bunch of miscommunication that led to his death..... terrible..... :(

how can these people force him to take a medical care????
 
I would think the nursing home was most at fault for calling in the cops in the first place.

That said, any article from these ultra conservative, conspiracy theory tabloid like publications raise my scepticism.
 
What the..........??

Jeez, even if the old chap got mad, he should have been treated with a little more dignity and respect. There's got to be more to this story than this....
 
WTF! Is this the new assisted suicide I been hearing about??? How the HELL is a 95 old man with a walker going to attack a cop with a knife ? The cops are trying to cover their asses . If this was me I was would sue the nursing home for not going their job. They should had been trained to know how to deal with any situation that came up. This should be a wakeup call to anyone that has to put a love one in a nursing home, you need to do a back ground on the nursing and see if complains been reported on them.
This is so disgusting and heartbreaking to read.
 
Bottesini said:
Can't read it. It requires me to sign up for membership if I want to read this digital plus story.

I am not denying it happened. Just that the slant of the story is stupid.

The nursing home staff should have training on how to deal with elderly dementia patients.

The fact that they called in the cops was ridiculous.
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Sorry, I didn't know about the membership. It didn't show up on my computer.

Report: Cop shot at World War II veteran John Wrana five times with beanbag rounds - chicagotribune.com

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Report: Cop shot at veteran John Wrana 5 times with beanbag rounds

What unreleased document says is both riveting and disturbing

John Kass

January 31, 2014

The official Illinois State Police report on the death of 95-year-old John Wrana at the hands of Park Forest police in July remains unreleased, but I have just seen a copy.

And what it says is both riveting and disturbing about the police killing of the World War II veteran who liked to shoot dice and play cards.

Wrana, who needed a cane or a walker to get around, was brandishing a knife with a 7-inch blade, Park Forest police told state police investigators. The police were called to his south suburban assisted-living facility and perceived him as such a threat that they fired five shots at him with beanbag rounds from a 12-gauge Mossberg pump-action police shotgun.

Five shots.

Previous police statements never specified how many shots were fired, and an independent forensic pathologist told this column last fall that there were four separate impact wounds on the body.

But now we know, according to the report, that five shots were fired at Wrana by one police officer, who pulled the trigger, then pumped the shotgun again and again and again and again until the old man fell in his tiny apartment.

Why was the trigger pulled so many times on the night of July 26, 2013? Police told state investigators they were afraid for their lives and the lives of others. Yet Wrana, who was just weeks shy of his 96th birthday, was a mere 5 feet 5 inches tall.

The staff at the facility, Victory Centre, called police after Wrana began suffering from delusions, even claiming to be a relative of President Barack Obama. The staff noted that delusions can be a symptom of urinary tract infections in the elderly.

Yet when the police arrived to take him to the hospital for an evaluation, they felt compelled to subdue the old man with great force "due to Wrana's threats to blow up Victory Centre and slit the throats of everyone at Victory Centre."

While Wrana had a knife and cane, there is nothing in the report about any explosives. What would he blow it up with, a bedpan?

There are other new details as well.

According to the report, police initially thought that a dark metal shoehorn being brandished by Wrana was a "machete."

Wrana struck the back of a chair with the shoehorn, and threatened to throw his knife at the officers. They decided not to use pepper spray because they feared it would get into the ventilation system and harm residents with respiratory problems.

One officer had a riot shield and Taser. But when he fired the Taser, the prongs of the stun weapon "went directly to the ground," never reaching Wrana, the report said. It was unclear whether the Taser malfunctioned or was badly aimed.

Another officer had his handgun drawn. Two more stood ready to wrestle him to the ground. And another had the 12-gauge.

According to the state report, the shotgun was fired by a Park Forest police officer who joined the department in 2004. He saw Wrana brandishing the knife and "felt his life and the lives of his fellow officers were in danger, and (he) fired one beanbag round at Wrana, striking Wrana in the abdomen," according to the report.

"The beanbag round appeared to (the officer) to have no effect on Wrana, and Wrana continued to advance toward the officers in an aggressive manner."

The officer "fired four (4) more beanbag rounds from the shotgun at Wrana, and Wrana dropped the knife out of Wrana's right hand."

There is no mention in the narrative of the shooting distance. The CTS-brand "Super Sock" rounds travel about 190 mph. They are not to be fired at human targets closer than 21 feet, according to the manufacturer's recommendations. Nicholas Grapsas, the Wrana family attorney, says the old man was shot near the entranceway of his tiny studio apartment, about 10 feet from the door.

"I can't believe they shot him that many times," said Sharon Mangerson, Wrana's stepdaughter, when we told her about the report Thursday. "They didn't even tell the hospital that, right? So, to me, this was some sort of cover-up from the very beginning."

Sally Daly, spokeswoman for Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez, said the office has the report but is also investigating the case on its own.

"It's an ongoing investigation," Daly said. "As in any other case, we're not going to comment on any specific information or any details that are included in the report."

She did say, however, that I'd been unfair to suggest that having the report for more than a month was ample time to make a determination.

Park Forest police Chief Clifford Butz didn't return a phone message asking for comment. State police spokeswoman Monique Bond said her agency is not tasked to make a recommendation on charges.

"We're just supposed to put the facts together," Bond said. "The state's attorney can make a determination. … We don't recommend."

Grapsas, a former prosecutor, said it was the first he'd heard of the number of shotgun rounds.

"Five times? Nobody ever wrote down that it was five. It was outrageous to be one shot," Grapsas said. "It's clearly outrageous and abusive and unwarranted now that it's five. To say it was unnecessary is an understatement."

But five it is, according to the Illinois State Police.

Five rounds, fired at a 95-year-old man who needed a cane to walk, because police said they were afraid.

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Murder,
These pigs murdered this man. Looks like a classic case of contempt of cop. Bean bag rounds on this guy. Pussies!!!!!
And will like usual most likely get off scot free. Maybe a wee suspension with pay and the tax payers will pay what's ever fine levered not he department
And thus
The militarization of Americas police moves ever onward with the goose step

Bastards!!!!!
 
Bottesini said:
Can't read it. It requires me to sign up for membership if I want to read this digital plus story.

I am not denying it happened. Just that the slant of the story is stupid.

The nursing home staff should have training on how to deal with elderly dementia patients.

The fact that they called in the cops was ridiculous.
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I said that too that people working in the nursing should had been trained to handle any situation. I agree with you. It does not sound like a very good nursing house.
 
And the pigs who murdered this guy.
oh they get a pass of course
Well
It's the nurses fault clearly
(Shakes head)
Lights cigarette inhales and exhales smoke in the shape of pigs being led to slaughter.....)
 
hoichi said:
And the pigs who murdered this guy.
oh they get a pass of course
Well
It's the nurses fault clearly
(Shakes head)
Lights cigarette inhales and exhales smoke in the shape of pigs being led to slaughter.....)
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Do you think you have come up with some knowledge that anyone with half a brain didn't already know?

My dad's good friend was a cop and the interpreter for my city's police dept when I was a kid, and it was common knowledge which cops were incredibly unsafe to get caught alone with...
 
Reba said:
Sorry, I didn't know about the membership. It didn't show up on my computer.
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If the cops can't tell the difference from a machete and a shoehorn they should not be working as cops. I worked with a machete to cut down over grown weeds it looked nothing like a shoehorn. They killed the poor man for no reason! :(
 
It's a perfect storm of serious mistakes:

1. The man shouldn't be forced into a surgery he doesn't want.

2. The nursing home used poor judgment in escalating the situation by calling the police.

3. The police totally mishandled the confrontation.
 
They said he pulled a knife and none was found.. Wow, what a surprise, a cop who lies to protect themselves after royally screwing up. Surprised they didn't sprinkle crack on him and say he was wild, out of control on crack to justify their excessive use of force.
 
Bottesini said:
Do you think you have come up with some knowledge that anyone with half a brain didn't already know?alone with...
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Of course not bot. That said what is it in my post that lead you to make the above question.?

Bottesini said:
Do
My dad's good friend was a cop and the interpreter for my city's police dept when I was a kid, and it was common knowledge which cops were incredibly unsafe to get caught alone with...
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Yes it is indeed. But it's a very telling statement isn't it?
here we are ,with those who every day pounding in kids heads and sheeples heads how they are here to serve and protect, yet it's common knowledge according to you and I agree that cops are incredibly unsafe to be alone with


Mmmmm

Interesting and yet

They get away with murder.
Nice
But..........
Of course it's the nurses fault

Uh uhh
 
Yep, cops can legally lie, they can kill many people and never get fired or see the inside of a jail cell for their crimes. The song A Pig is a Pig by the Plasmatics is proven even more true..

"The sickie sadist
Who hides behind his police badge
To commit crimes of violence
Against other people"
 
hoichi said:
Of course not bot. That said what is it in my post that lead you to make the above question.?
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Because you are reiterating it in more than one thread today.

My reaction is basically "duh" but it occurred to me you must think you were the only one who realized it, or you wouldn't feel the need to repeat it again and again...
 
I'm a bit cranky sure. It's just getting more and more with these guys murdering people with impunity
It's rising.
It's ominous
It has to stop. But it won't given how many worship them.
 
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