Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

[saywhatkid]

Weren't they protesting segregation?

How is that similar to protesting Wall Street? Who bailed out Wall Street? Is this protest misguided? Shouldn't they be protesting the enablers?

I think they wanted American soldiers segregated from Vietnamese soldiers, so I guess you might be right.

 

[TWA]

Kinda funny....kinda true

Kinda funny because it's just a regurgitation of the trickle down nonsense you like to push. Not really true. At all.

 

[jillio]

Weren't they protesting segregation?

How is that similar to protesting Wall Street? Who bailed out Wall Street? Is this protest misguided? Shouldn't they be protesting the enablers?

Uh, no. They were peacefully protesting the Viet Nam War.

 

[Steinhauer]

Uh, no. They were peacefully protesting the Viet Nam War.

My mistake then. I didn't live through Vietnam or segregation. I was taught that a lot of peaceful protests turned violent during segregation.

In the case of the Occupy protests, there was nothing peaceful about it. They trashed Woodruff Park. The mayor asked them to leave at a specific deadline, and they wouldn't.

An Associated Press reporter talked to the man with the gun slung across his back earlier Tuesday as he walked in the park. He wouldn't give his name, but said he was an out-of-work accountant who doesn't agree with the protesters' views, but was there, armed, because he wanted to protect the rights of people to protest. There's no law that prevents him from carrying the weapon in public, but several police followed him for about 10 minutes before moving off.

Read more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011...a-police-order-wall-street.html#ixzz1c0x2m0KX

 

[jillio]

My mistake then. I didn't live through Vietnam or segregation. I was taught that a lot of peaceful protests turned violent during segregation.

In the case of the Occupy protests, there was nothing peaceful about it. They trashed Woodruff Park. The mayor asked them to leave at a specific deadline, and they wouldn't.

Yes, many peaceful protests turned violent during the Civil Rights era, thanks to law enforcement and the National Guard, not the protesters.

I thought you were all about the rights of American citizens. What about the right to protest?

 

[Steinhauer]

Yes, many peaceful protests turned violent during the Civil Rights era, thanks to law enforcement and the National Guard, not the protesters.

I thought you were all about the rights of American citizens. What about the right to protest?

read the above edited comment

Did the gentleman with a loaded AK-47 slung across his back have the right to protect the protesters from the government?

(hint: The police said he did and he was not arrested)


That one kind of baffles me, as Georgia prohibits the open or concealed carry of firearms at any public gathering.

 

[Reba]

http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm

 

[jillio]

read the above edited comment

Did the gentleman with a loaded AK-47 slung across his back have the right to protect the protesters from the government?

(hint: The police said he did and he was not arrested)


That one kind of baffles me, as Georgia prohibits the open or concealed carry of firearms at any public gathering.

You are all about citizens being armed. You tell me.

 

[Steinhauer]

http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm

Ah ... so it wasn't as peaceful as someone claimed:

Friday evening in downtown Kent began peacefully with the usual socializing in the bars, but events quickly escalated into a violent confrontation between protestors and local police.

Now, I know what "peaceful" is, and this ain't it:

The exact causes of the disturbance are still the subject of debate, but bonfires were built in the streets of downtown Kent, cars were stopped, police cars were hit with bottles, and some store windows were broken. The entire Kent police force was called to duty as well as officers from the county and surrounding communities. Kent Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency, called Governor James Rhodes' office to seek assistance, and ordered all of the bars closed. The decision to close the bars early increased the size of the angry crowd. Police eventually succeeded in using tear gas to disperse the crowd from downtown, forcing them to move several blocks back to the campus.

 

[saywhatkid]

Ah ... so it wasn't as peaceful as someone claimed:

Friday evening in downtown Kent began peacefully with the usual socializing in the bars, but events quickly escalated into a violent confrontation between protestors and local police.

Now, I know what "peaceful" is, and this ain't it:

Those protestors at Kent State were armed with signs; the police had tear gas and rifles or pistols. Protestors were shot to death. Sound fair to you?

 

[Steinhauer]

Those protestors at Kent State were armed with signs; the police had tear gas and rifles or pistols. Protestors were shot to death. Sound fair to you?

If someone was armed, would you smash out the window of their car?

Sound bright to you?

 

[jillio]

Ah ... so it wasn't as peaceful as someone claimed:




Now, I know what "peaceful" is, and this ain't it:

The protest was not taking place down town. It was on the college campus, and that is where the killings happened.

As you admitted, you know nothing about Kent State, or the Civil Rights marches. Maybe you need to not comment on that which you know nothing about. You took something out of context that had virtually nothing to do with the students that were killed.

 

[jillio]

If someone was armed, would you smash out the window of their car?

Sound bright to you?

You really need to stop before you make a complete ass of yourself on this one. It is generally accepted by all that the National Guard was not justified in their actions and that these students were murdered. Since you know nothing about the incident, you really need to STFU until you are more informed and capable of an intelligent discussion.

Not to mention which you are looking like a complete hypocrit in your rantings about the rights of this country's citizens.

 

[Steinhauer]

The protest was not taking place down town. It was on the college campus, and that is where the killings happened.

As you admitted, you know nothing about Kent State, or the Civil Rights marches. Maybe you need to not comment on that which you know nothing about. You took something out of context that had virtually nothing to do with the students that were killed.

I did not take anything out of context (which you claimed) I took a direct quote from an article by Kent State's Sociology Department.

They claimed the protesters got violent. That means, they were not "peaceful" as you claimed. Since you are not a sociologist, and, not from Kent State, I would defer to their take on this. And, I can do that without ever having to have lived through the experience

 

[Steinhauer]

You really need to stop before you make a complete ass of yourself on this one. It is generally accepted by all that the National Guard was not justified in their actions and that these students were murdered. Since you know nothing about the incident, you really need to STFU until you are more informed and capable of an intelligent discussion.

Not to mention which you are looking like a complete hypocrit in your rantings about the rights of this country's citizens.

Ah - a day out of the cage and you go ranting again about how your perspective is the only and correct one.

 

[jillio]

I did not take anything out of context (which you claimed) I took a direct quote from an article by Kent State's Sociology Department.

They claimed the protesters got violent. That means, they were not "peaceful" as you claimed. Since you are not a sociologist, and, not from Kent State, I would defer to their take on this. And, I can do that without ever having to have lived through the experience

You took a quote out of context. :roll:

I was there, Steinhauer. I know exactly what happened.

Last I checked, you were not a sociologist, nor were you there. You have no business making disrespectful remarks regarding the students that were killed without justification.

 

[jillio]

Ah - a day out of the cage and you go ranting again about how your perspective is the only and correct one.

My perspective regarding Kent State is certainly more correct than yours. You didn't even know what the students were protesting until I told you. You know nothing about the event.

 

[deafskeptic]

Yes, many peaceful protests turned violent during the Civil Rights era, thanks to law enforcement and the National Guard, not the protesters.

I thought you were all about the rights of American citizens. What about the right to protest?

Hence why I am so concerned about OWS staying peaceful. I don't want those in the law enforcement or the military to start riots.

 

[jillio]

Hence why I am so concerned about OWS staying peaceful. I don't want those in the law enforcement or the military to start riots.

They are likely to start riots even when it is peaceful.

 

[sallylou]

Now, U.S. officials can't criticize places like China and countries in the Middle East for how they treat their protesters with any credibility.