Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Steiny, that line only works if someone says "we". Go back and read. No "we" in that post.:lol:
"Originally Posted by jillio:

Bury the issue? Hardly. We are having a ball playing with it."

"Originally Posted by Steinhauer:

You and the mouse in your pocket?"
 
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"Originally Posted by jillio:

Bury the issue? Hardly. We are having a ball playing with it."

"Originally Posted by Steinhauer:

You and the mouse in your pocket?"

Whooops! :lol: As they say, "Read, woman, read!"
 
Here I am!

Well Steiny, I have arrived! I am the airport LEO he was telling you all about. I have been in law enforcement for over 18 years. 2 years as a small town cop, 5 years as a cop in a hospital setting, 3 years a cop at a local community college and over 10 years as a airport cop. If the use of excessive force is suspected or when deadly force is used then it is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) to place the officer or officers on administrative leave. We just had a case of deadly force here where the deputy shot and killed a drunk woman who pulled a gun on him. He was placed on paid admin leave until the investigation was over. He was cleared and is back to work now.

I don't think any one of us knows the whole story from the Oakland issue at hand. Yes, when viewing just the video that the media shows us it does seem to be unjustified. But we will probably never know the whole or true story. If they were out of line then indeed they should be fired.

Occupy has a lot of people attending who need to clean up their act. Some of the things they have done are out of control. Pushing over a police officer on a motorcycle, blocking streets and sidewalks so working people can't get through, thefts, sexual misconduct and other problems. In most cases the police are outnumbered and it soon becomes a safety issue. I support the right to peacefully protest but let's face it, most of these people aren't doing it right.
 
Get ready for OWS to occupy Black Friday:

Demonstrators Plan to Occupy Retailers on Black Friday

JOHN CARNEY, CNBC, CADIE THOMPSON, NETNET,
Posted By: Cadie Thompson | Producer, CNBC.com
CNBC.com
| 22 Nov 2011 | 12:27 PM ET

Some demonstrators are planning to occupy retailers on Black Friday to protest "the business that are in the pockets of Wall Street."

Organizers are encouraging consumers to either occupy or boycott retailers that are publicly traded, according to the Stop Black Friday website.

The goal of the movement is to impact the profits of major corporations this holiday season.

"The idea is simple, hit the corporations that corrupt and control American politics where it hurts, their profits, " states the Occupy Black Friday Facebook page.

A few of the retailers the protesters plan on targeting include Neiman Marcus, Amazon and Wal-Mart.

Their website states the following:

"Keep in mind that we are not occupying small businesses or hardworking people—we must make a distinction between the businesses that are in the pockets of Wall Street and the businesses that serve our local communities. We are NOT anti-capitalist. Just anti-crapitalist. Below is a shortlist for publicly traded large businesses to Occupy or to boycott on Black Friday. Luckily, most of them don't have good presents anyway.

On Black Friday, Occupy or boycott:

- Abercrombie & Fitch
- Amazon.com (yes, we have to stay away from Amazon, too!)
- AT&T Wireless
- Burlington Coat Factory
- Dick's Sporting Goods (I was surprised, too!)
- Dollar Tree
- The Home Depot
- Neiman Marcus
- OfficeMax
- Toys R'Us
- Verizon Wireless
- Wal-Mart Solidarity!"

© 2011 CNBC.com

More at:

URL: News Headlines

The rest of their list:

2011 Top 100 Retailers | STORES.org
 
Well Steiny, I have arrived! I am the airport LEO he was telling you all about. I have been in law enforcement for over 18 years. 2 years as a small town cop, 5 years as a cop in a hospital setting, 3 years a cop at a local community college and over 10 years as a airport cop. If the use of excessive force is suspected or when deadly force is used then it is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) to place the officer or officers on administrative leave. We just had a case of deadly force here where the deputy shot and killed a drunk woman who pulled a gun on him. He was placed on paid admin leave until the investigation was over. He was cleared and is back to work now.

I don't think any one of us knows the whole story from the Oakland issue at hand. Yes, when viewing just the video that the media shows us it does seem to be unjustified. But we will probably never know the whole or true story. If they were out of line then indeed they should be fired.

Occupy has a lot of people attending who need to clean up their act. Some of the things they have done are out of control. Pushing over a police officer on a motorcycle, blocking streets and sidewalks so working people can't get through, thefts, sexual misconduct and other problems. In most cases the police are outnumbered and it soon becomes a safety issue. I support the right to peacefully protest but let's face it, most of these people aren't doing it right.

The Oakland incident is not what we're talking about.

We're talking about this:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdDLhPwpp4]UC Davis Protestors Pepper Sprayed - YouTube[/ame]


What more do you want to know than what is on the video?

Since you're from good ol' Missoura, be aware that in the State of California, using pepper spray is prohibited except in cases of self-defense.
 
Hubby and I are planning to "opt out of" Black Friday

I did see that video about the campus above...from my perspective, looked like cops, who had other ways of getting around that particular bunch, sprayed a bunch of people just sitting on the ground.
 
Hubby and I are planning to "opt out of" Black Friday

I did see that video about the campus above...from my perspective, looked like cops, who had other ways of getting around that particular bunch, sprayed a bunch of people just sitting on the ground.

One of the reasons cited by the cops for using pepper spray is that they were "surrounded" by the protesters and felt threatened. That was simply nonviolent civil disobedience. Arrest them, fine. But use pepper spray? Did officer Pork Chop look scared and threatened in this video? Give me a break.
 
The officer who sprayed appeared to very deliberately let loose with the stuff.
NOne of the police in that scene appeared threatened
 
The Oakland incident is not what we're talking about.

We're talking about this:

UC Davis Protestors Pepper Sprayed - YouTube


What more do you want to know than what is on the video?

Since you're from good ol' Missoura, be aware that in the State of California, using pepper spray is prohibited except in cases of self-defense.

http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/CrowdMgtGuidelines.pdf

Crowd Management and Civil Disobedience Guidelines
Copyright 2003 California Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training
Published December 1998
Revised March 2003

Dispersal Order Example
“ I am (peace officer’s name and rank) a peace officer for the (name of jurisdiction). I hereby declare this to be an unlawful assembly, and in the name of the People of the State of California, command all those assembled at (specific location) to immediately disperse, which means to break up this assembly. If you do not do so, you may be arrested or subject to other police action. Other police action could include the use of force which may result in serious injury. Section 409 of the Penal Code prohibits remaining present at an unlawful assembly. If you remain in the area just described, regardless of your purpose, you will be in violation of Section 409. The following routes of dispersal are available (routes). You have (reasonable amount of time) minutes to disperse.”

* A Sampling of Methods Used to Deliver and Document Dispersal Orders:

Loud speech
Amplified sound
Display signage indicating unlawful assembly and dispersal
Gain attention of the crowd and document affirmative responses prior to declaration of unlawful assembly
Position law enforcement personnel to the rear of a crowd to confirm and document the sound of the dispersal order transmission
Acquire multiple language capability
Video/audio recording equipment for documentation


Guideline #9: Use of Force: Force Options
Agencies should develop use of force policies, procedures, and training for managing crowds and civil disobedience.

Discussion:
When dealing with crowds and civil disobedience situations, law enforcement must be a disciplined and well-organized control force. The decisions to use force and the force options that may be applied in response to these incidents range from law enforcement presence to deadly force. Peace officers need not use the least intrusive force option, but only that force which is objectively reasonable under the totality of the circumstances (Scott v. Henrich, 39 F. 3d 912, 9th Cir. 1994, and Forrester v. City of San Diego, 25 F. 3d 804 9th Cir. 1994). Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386, 109 S. Ct. 1865, 104 L. Ed. 2d 443 (1989). The reasonableness of the force used to affect a particular seizure is analyzed under the Fourth Amendment and determined by balancing the nature and quality of the intrusion on the individual’s Fourth Amendment interests against the governmental interests at stake.

Prior to an event, agencies should continually review their use of force alternatives in response to potential actions by protesters. Training should reflect reasonable use of force alternatives in order that officers are prepared to consider the tactics/force options available. Chew v. Gates, 27 F. 3d 1432, 1443 (9th Cir. 1994).
* A Sampling of Use of Force Considerations:
.. Determine compliance or non-compliance of crowd
.. Physically moving non-compliant offenders
.. Anticipate possible actions of demonstrators
.. Identify criminal violations involved
.. Develop arrest protocol
.. Develop use of pain compliance protocol
.. Plan for disabled, elderly, and children demonstrators
.. Determine availability of personnel
.. Evaluate availability of other public safety resources
.. Include protection devices for involved personnel
.. Plan for the safety of bystanders
.. Evaluate mobility of suspects/protestors
.. Determine avenues of controlled departure
.. Anticipate potential for medical resources
.. Establish protocols for less lethal munitions
* A Sampling of Force Options:
.. Law enforcement presence
.. Verbalization
.. Firm grip
.. Compliance techniques
.. Control devices
.. Nonlethal chemical agents.. Electrical control devices
.. Impact weapons/batons
.. Less lethal (i.e., sting balls, grenades, bean bags)
.. Deadly force
 
Well Steiny, I have arrived! I am the airport LEO he was telling you all about. I have been in law enforcement for over 18 years. 2 years as a small town cop, 5 years as a cop in a hospital setting, 3 years a cop at a local community college and over 10 years as a airport cop. If the use of excessive force is suspected or when deadly force is used then it is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) to place the officer or officers on administrative leave. We just had a case of deadly force here where the deputy shot and killed a drunk woman who pulled a gun on him. He was placed on paid admin leave until the investigation was over. He was cleared and is back to work now.

I don't think any one of us knows the whole story from the Oakland issue at hand. Yes, when viewing just the video that the media shows us it does seem to be unjustified. But we will probably never know the whole or true story. If they were out of line then indeed they should be fired.

Occupy has a lot of people attending who need to clean up their act. Some of the things they have done are out of control. Pushing over a police officer on a motorcycle, blocking streets and sidewalks so working people can't get through, thefts, sexual misconduct and other problems. In most cases the police are outnumbered and it soon becomes a safety issue. I support the right to peacefully protest but let's face it, most of these people aren't doing it right.

Thank you !
 
Well Steiny, I have arrived! I am the airport LEO he was telling you all about. I have been in law enforcement for over 18 years. 2 years as a small town cop, 5 years as a cop in a hospital setting, 3 years a cop at a local community college and over 10 years as a airport cop. If the use of excessive force is suspected or when deadly force is used then it is SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) to place the officer or officers on administrative leave. We just had a case of deadly force here where the deputy shot and killed a drunk woman who pulled a gun on him. He was placed on paid admin leave until the investigation was over. He was cleared and is back to work now.

I don't think any one of us knows the whole story from the Oakland issue at hand. Yes, when viewing just the video that the media shows us it does seem to be unjustified. But we will probably never know the whole or true story. If they were out of line then indeed they should be fired.

Occupy has a lot of people attending who need to clean up their act. Some of the things they have done are out of control. Pushing over a police officer on a motorcycle, blocking streets and sidewalks so working people can't get through, thefts, sexual misconduct and other problems. In most cases the police are outnumbered and it soon becomes a safety issue. I support the right to peacefully protest but let's face it, most of these people aren't doing it right.

So, you're a security guard.:laugh2:
 
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"Originally Posted by jillio:

Bury the issue? Hardly. We are having a ball playing with it."

"Originally Posted by Steinhauer:

You and the mouse in your pocket?"

Sorry, but your sequencing is off. Try again.
 
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