Deafhood

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Daredevel7 said:
I understand. I see Cuban/Jews/African Americans = Deaf in terms of labeling. People don't even agree what being deaf/Deaf means. However, do you see 20 other terms that "describes" being Cuban or having the mindset of being Cuban or feeling Cuban or loving Cuba or embracing Cuban culture or so on. Get my drift?

All I'm saying is...... I believe it's overload to the point of bringing more bad (arguing about it, who falls under this classification, what does it mean, confusing, etc) than good (empowering, sense of community, shorthand identification,..... what else?).
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I don't see 20 other terms that describe the experience of being Deaf, either.
 
DeafCaroline said:
"Well some of the AD'ers including DeafCaroline went as far as saying that if one doesn't embrace Deafhood, he or she should leave the forum."

Where did I say that? Please quote me exactly next time you claim I said certain things. I'm perfectly aware this website is for all people with hearing loss, not just exclusively for the Deaf. And not once did I say if you don't embrace Deafhood, to leave the forum.

I'm really stunned that you are making that accusation when I had said no such thing.
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Well you did say the following to Koko:

And lastly, for someone so resistant to identifying with Deafhood, you sure like being in the culture and community of the deaf for you are here posting every single day.
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And if that's not a "What are you doing in AD then?" tone, then I don't know what is.
 
"Do you honestly think they would come to a forum with the name "Alldeaf"?"

I think you are not understanding me. What made you point out that people with mlld to moderate hearing loss would not identify with deaf, Deaf, Deafhood, and all that that entails? Why did you make that point? I am wondering if it was a response to someone here or ... ?
 
kokonut said:
Do you honestly think they would come to a forum with the name "Alldeaf"? The number of people in here is almost negligibly small compared to the total population of people with hearing loss to a site that is overwhelmingly attended by Deaf people?
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Hey, I'm neither deaf, and I only know one person personally who is deaf (from this site) and I hang around here. People like me are still allowed, right?
 
AJWSmith said:
Thanks to Amazon's Look Inside! I was able to read Paddy Ladd's definition of Deafhood (see page xviii). According to Paddy Ladd I am a hearing person so I am excluded from his definition of Deafhood. I confess to being a bit surprised at this discovery as when I read through this thread I thought the journey people were talking about included both Deaf and deaf. Is it common for Deaf people to label people like me as hearing because I'm not a sign language user? Seems wrong to me.
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Well, there is a none too flattering term that is used for those that have been deaf from birth, but reject the deaf community...but I would not place you there.

What Paddy is referring to is the way that people are socialized and the norms that guide them. Since you were hearing most of your life, you have a hearing mindset. You are just beginning to investigate what your hearing loss means for you, in both a personal and a sociological manner.

You have to understand that Deaf is a cultural designation that distinguishes that group from the majority hearing culture. Part of that cultural affiliation is a shared language. Also included are shared norms, values, and traditions. As a hearing person the majority of your life, you share those things in common with a hearing culture. You were socialized from birth to be a hearing person.

This is one of the reasons that the issues faced by the deaf, the HOH, the late deafended, and the Deaf are so diverse.

While Paddy provides a sociological concept in a theoretical format, the application of such is always different with any concept. The application is that even one that has lived as deaf for the most of their life, surrounded by hearing family and hearing society, can become Deaf when they adopt not just the language, but the cultural norms, values, and traditions of that culture.
 
kokonut said:
Do you honestly think they would come to a forum with the name "Alldeaf"? The number of people in here is almost negligibly small compared to the total population of people with hearing loss to a site that is overwhelmingly attended by Deaf people?
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Then why are you insisting on bringing them into the discussion?
 
kokonut said:
Do you honestly think they would come to a forum with the name "Alldeaf"? The number of people in here is almost negligibly small compared to the total population of people with hearing loss to a site that is overwhelmingly attended by Deaf people?
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so.... why are you here since you have a disdain toward "Deafhood" or D?
 
DeafCaroline said:
Ok, fair enough - "we" as in we who don't agree with you, I guess.

and of course people with mild to moderate hearing loss would not identify with "Deaf' or "Deafhood" - they're not deaf. I am trying to remember if anyone here said something like that to make you bring that up.
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How about "we" as in the majority.:cool2:
 
DeafCaroline said:
"Do you honestly think they would come to a forum with the name "Alldeaf"?"

I think you are not understanding me. What made you point out that people with mlld to moderate hearing loss would not identify with deaf, Deaf, Deafhood, and all that that entails? Why did you make that point? I am wondering if it was a response to someone here or ... ?
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You'll have to talk to people with mild hearing loss to see their perspectives. Who and how they identify and/or associate with Deaf, deaf, hh, and hearing people vary with their hearing loss. We should intuitively know that already.
 
Hohtopics said:
Well you did say the following to Koko:



And if that's not a "What are you doing in AD then?" tone, then I don't know what is.
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Talk about a misinterpretation!:roll:

Dude, get some help with your anger issues.
 
"And lastly, for someone so resistant to identifying with Deafhood, you sure like being in the culture and community of the deaf for you are here posting every single day. "

And where did I say people who don't embrace Deafhood should leave? you're putting words in my mouth.
 
kokonut said:
You'll have to talk to people with mild hearing loss to see their perspectives. Who and how they identify and/or associate with Deaf, deaf, hh, and hearing people vary with their hearing loss. We should intuitively know that already.
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How, exactly, should we intuitively know how anyone defines themselves or their circumstances?

And, as you said, they are not a part of the discussion regarding Deafhood. So why do insist on clouding the discussion with irrelevent statements regarding a population that is not concerned with the topic?
 
StSapphire said:
Hey, I'm neither deaf, and I only know one person personally who is deaf (from this site) and I hang around here. People like me are still allowed, right?
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Are you saying you're a hearing, hh or Deaf person? (noticing you only said "d"eaf).

Regardless, heck, anyone can join. I think..... :shock:
 
DeafCaroline said:
"And lastly, for someone so resistant to identifying with Deafhood, you sure like being in the culture and community of the deaf for you are here posting every single day. "

And where did I say people who don't embrace Deafhood should leave? you're putting words in my mouth.
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As usual. It would appear that there are some rejection issues at play.
 
DeafCaroline said:
"And lastly, for someone so resistant to identifying with Deafhood, you sure like being in the culture and community of the deaf for you are here posting every single day. "

And where did I say people who don't embrace Deafhood should leave? you're putting words in my mouth.
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Maybe explain to him/her what you meant?
 
Sure I would talk to them about it if they're interested but what you're saying is akin to telling blind people that they shouldn't call people who wear eyeglasses blind and that they should talk to them to see how they feel.

I am not following your argument here. I'm lost.
 
deafskeptic said:
like me?
BTW, I find it interstering that you have an account called hoh which suggests that deafness is prolly part of your id if not Deafness.
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This is a "deaf and hard of hearing" forum to begin with. I don't even use "HOH" in accounts or forums that has nothing to do with hearing loss. While I do know of some of the deaf that pretty much have "deaf" in every one of their screenames even in accounts or forums that has nothing to do with deafness or hearing loss, like when opening up a stock account or something.
 
Anyone can join - the more the merrier! I am always happy to see hearing people here because it means they care enough to be interested. That's never a bad thing.
 
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