Deaf with cochlear implants....

I have better hearing, with my CI, than my Mother, who CAN HEAR.

I can "yammer with cousins left and right" in a family dinner, or with people in a cafeteria. I'm sure that Cloggy's daughter will be able to as well - in fact she will probably be BETTER than me. CI's aren't ONLY for one-on-one situations.
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First of all, Eyeth, GOOD POINT!!!!!!! Second of all, neecy that's YOUR experiance. Not everyone will hear as well with a CI as you do. Many people who have really good one on one comprehension with the CI, (or hearing aids) don't do as well in crowds
My definition is about communication, and I wrote that when visual clues are not needed for communication, I defined it as hearing. With that in mind, my daughter can hear.
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Can she hear without lipreading? I only have a moderately severe loss, and I really can't hear without lipreading. I doubt she is completly auditory-verbal....auditory-oral yes......auditory-verbal NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, even most hearing people read lips!
 
Eyeth said:
Come back in a decade and tell us how well she's doing, say, in a crowded family dinner, yammering away with cousins left and right. Tell us how she's socializing with her classmates at the school cafeteria, chattering away with two or three people at the same time...........
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I don't need a decade. It's allready happening. She's doing well. But what's your point? The situation you describe is difficult even for hearing people.
Even so, what's wrong with my definition - except that you don't like it?
 
Cheri said:
I can understand what you are saying, sr171soars that you can function well with your CI in the hearing world, But you will never be equally with a hearing person(s) who does not wear any device to support their hearing. Understood what I'm saying? Like I said, CI is different than hearing aids, But it does not restore or even cured hearing. They can provide a sense of sounds.
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But then.. being able to hear sound - will he ever be like deaf persons, now that he can turn sound on/off at will?
 
deafdyke said:
First of all, Eyeth, GOOD POINT!!!!!!! Second of all, neecy that's YOUR experiance. Not everyone will hear as well with a CI as you do. Many people who have really good one on one comprehension with the CI, (or hearing aids) don't do as well in crowds
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Funny how when a user give an excellent example of hearing without use of visual sounds (hearing the TV in another room) the "Not everyone will hear as well with a CI as you do." argument comes up. Ít's not relevant. Some might do worse. Some might even do better!

deafdyke said:
Can she hear without lipreading? I only have a moderately severe loss, and I really can't hear without lipreading. I doubt she is completly auditory-verbal....auditory-oral yes......auditory-verbal NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, even most hearing people read lips!
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She can. And she'll understand when she's downstairs, me upstairs and I tell her to put her shoes on. What's the problem you have visualising that a deaf girl can hear & understand without seeing the person that speaks to her?
 
neecy said:
The other day I was sitting at my computer reading email while I listened to the news that was playing on the TV across the room, and understanding everything the announcer was saying. THAT is hearing :) (and I love it!)
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I wish I have THAT skill NOW LOL. everyone is different and for me it will take time for me to achieve that ability.

I explained to my friend that it is true that I could hear everything in range of frequency but I only can internalize the pronunciation while I am reading the lip of the person I am facing. in fact it improved my lip reading a whole lot. Since I was born deaf and I only know the vocabularies that I learned to internalize the pronunciation while growing up.
Because...
I do not know all pronunciations of all words in the dictionary but I do know those words and know their definitions. So I am learning to know those pronunciations so I would be able to internalize those word easily either by listening or speaking.
You know what I mean?
if a person ask me if I can hear, i would say yes then he/she will go on blabbing.. I had to stop him/her "wait, since I can hear your voice does not means I will understand your pronunciations efficiently so I have to read your lip"

So for those who became deaf later as post-lingual, they remember all those pronunciations and are able to internalize them easily except for those new words that you haven't heard (maybe). It may not require them to read lips at all.

So when i was growing up, I started out with a body worn and I had binaural wiring so that mean I use 1 hearing aid to send sound to both ears. but they were mono. so "dull flat sound" so I miss out all the details but voices. then fast forward now I have two BTE so I hear in stereo but I don't hear the same way the hearing do because of all those years hearing mono sound. so that's why , in other thread where I put a link to poll asking if one was born today would one want to be implanted, I won't mind that I would have a CI if I was born today! That way I can have the capability to achieve like those hearing toddler as they grow up.

Ok I guess I am making us :zzz: with this post of mine.. then I shall hit 'submit' button.. Cheers!
 
Cloggy said:
She can. And she'll understand when she's downstairs, me upstairs and I tell her to put her shoes on. What's the problem you have visualising that a deaf girl can hear & understand without seeing the person that speaks to her?
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I miss when was your daughter born and when did she get CI? I missed that bit of information somewhere in AD. :D

EDIT: OK I found your first post from last year (around 7/2005) which you said "To introduce myself, I’m the father of a 2½ year old girl that got a CI last September. Her first mapping was in November." so your daughter got implanted on Sept 2004 and was 2 1/2 that time mentioned above. so she should be almost 3 yrs this year. right?

So now that I know this info, she's REAL benefitting from this CI since the "window of opportunity" is STILL open till 5 to 6 yrs old. she knows all those pronunciations of those words that she learns from that point at her age. That's why she can understand you from other floor. That's why I said in my above post that if I was born today and had this latest CI technology, I would be grateful and achieve like your daughter did. Right now I am middle aged person who got a CI back in 2003 and still needs to know all those pronunciations that I haven't learned. I already know all those words that I learned over the years. that's big difference. but I am really glad to have this CI it's great!

Anyway, I believe that's why deafdyke forgot who your daughter is. 3 yrs old who got implanted back in 2004 and has asorbed all those speech lings and pronunciations.

Cheers to your daughter's progress!
 
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Boult said:
I miss when was your daughter born and when did she get CI? I missed that bit of information somewhere in AD. :D
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Good point. Born august 2002, bi-lat CI nov 2004.
 
Boult said:
I miss when was your daughter born and when did she get CI? I missed that bit of information somewhere in AD. :D

EDIT: OK I found your first post from last year (around 7/2005) which you said "To introduce myself, I’m the father of a 2½ year old girl that got a CI last September. Her first mapping was in November." so your daughter got implanted on Sept 2004 and was 2 1/2 that time mentioned above. so she should be almost 3 yrs this year. right?

So now that I know this info, she's REAL benefitting from this CI since the "window of opportunity" is STILL open till 5 to 6 yrs old. she knows all those pronunciations of those words that she learns from that point at her age. That's why she can understand you from other floor. That's why I said in my above post that if I was born today and had this latest CI technology, I would be grateful and achieve like your daughter did. Right now I am middle aged person who got a CI back in 2003 and still needs to know all those pronunciations that I haven't learned. I already know all those words that I learned over the years. that's big difference. but I am really glad to have this CI it's great!

Anyway, I believe that's why deafdyke forgot who your daughter is. 3 yrs old who got implanted back in 2004 and has asorbed all those speech lings and pronunciations.

Cheers to your daughter's progress!
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Thanks,
There is the problem of realising who we are talking about. There's a big difference between toddlers that grow up with CI and adults that get them later in life.
 
Funny how when a user give an excellent example of hearing without use of visual sounds (hearing the TV in another room) the "Not everyone will hear as well with a CI as you do." argument comes up. Ít's not relevant. Some might do worse. Some might even do better!
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Cloggy, I can hear the tv downstairs with my hearing aids. That doesn't mean EVERYONE with hearing aids can hear that well. I can hear very well in crowds and other difficult listening situions b/c of my conductive loss....
My point being is that the hearing experiance with CI, VARIES from person to person just as with hearing aids. Neecy's example is JUST ONE...ONE! How many don't do as well? The "WOW! I can hear so well"
story camps, are inspirational, but you gotta come up with cold hard statistics. I don't deny there are some folks who get really good usage out of the CI, but to extropolate those good usages to everyone, is like me raving to a person who can onlyhear a small percentage of sound with aids, that hearing aids are so wonderful and amazing!
 
deafdyke said:
..........My point being is that the hearing experiance with CI, VARIES from person to person just as with hearing aids. Neecy's example is JUST ONE...ONE! How many don't do as well? The "WOW! I can hear so well"
story camps, are inspirational, but you gotta come up with cold hard statistics. I don't deny there are some folks who get really good usage out of the CI, but to extropolate those good usages to everyone, is like me raving to a person who can onlyhear a small percentage of sound with aids, that hearing aids are so wonderful and amazing!
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I hear you, it's just that positive posts are attacked so much that I wanted to react. It's the cup half full/half empty. Deaf people will put the focus at another place than hearing people.

From participating in this messageboard I can see that many have no idea what can be (Yes CAN BE) achieved. When finally someone says that the sounds that she hears are like she remembered 25 years ago, nobody reacts!!!! It's ignored, put away in a bad place and next week they will say again.."The sound is never like real sound."

And that's what saddens me. People could learn so much here, but choose to ignore.
 
Excuse me Cloggy . I do not need to learn as I am very happy what I am .. and proud of it ... Thank you ....
 
CutePommie said:
Excuse me Cloggy . I do not need to learn as I am very happy what I am .. and proud of it ... Thank you ....
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THAT is exactly the kind of ignorance that Cloggy is talking about. You can be happy and proud with what you are, and STILL educate yourself about what's available to help other people. Being happy with oneself doesn't mean you have to close yourself off from knowledge.
 
neecy said:
Here's something for you to think about. In a crowded family type situation or in a noisy mall or party, I have better hearing, with my CI, than my Mother, who CAN HEAR.

I can "yammer with cousins left and right" in a family dinner, or with people in a cafeteria. I'm sure that Cloggy's daughter will be able to as well - in fact she will probably be BETTER than me. CI's aren't ONLY for one-on-one situations.

When I meet people that I haven't met since before I had my CI implanted, I tell them "I can hear now, with my CI" - which is perfectly true. WITH the CI.

The other day I was sitting at my computer reading email while I listened to the news that was playing on the TV across the room, and understanding everything the announcer was saying. THAT is hearing :) (and I love it!)
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I will second this statement. This is exactly what I have been experiencing as well. What is hearing by any other name? All the stuff being said about how it really sounds like is really a crock! How would anybody without a CI know? Arguments like these have no bearing on Neecy's or mine life as we are living our lives in a satisfying way...with a viable means to make the most of it.
 
Generally speaking:

How would anyone not with CI knows? I've done my research, and all have said the same thing, "An implant does not restore or create normal hearing. " If one can hear well with CI, Good for you, but that doesn't change the fact what CI information informs us. ;)


neecy,

Remember everyone has their right to have an opinion, I don't appreciate you criticize Cutepommie's post, I want members those who are non-CIers to freely post in my thread without being criticize. All Cutepommie had stated that she is happy with who she is, And if she is, She has that right to say so
 
Cloggy said:
From participating in this messageboard I can see that many have no idea what can be (Yes CAN BE) achieved. When finally someone says that the sounds that she hears are like she remembered 25 years ago, nobody reacts!!!! It's ignored, put away in a bad place and next week they will say again.."The sound is never like real sound.".
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I am happy for those that feel their assisted hearing is close to what they remember of natural hearing. However, results from one individual to another will vary. Just look at the post's from CI'ers. Some have problems in certian situations. There are so many variables involved and it would not be accurate to think that everyone will have the same experience (I am not suggesting that you are saying that, I am only making a point). What caused your hearing loss, the type of CI you have, the programming, the environment you are in. All these are factors in the end result. As I mentioned to you in another thread, I am sure the results are from one side of the spectrum to the other. Meaning the range is from those that the CI doesn't work for all the way to those that are hearing the way they remember and everything inbetween.
 
Cloggy said:
She can. And she'll understand when she's downstairs, me upstairs and I tell her to put her shoes on. What's the problem you have visualising that a deaf girl can hear & understand without seeing the person that speaks to her?
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None, really. ;) I merely disagreed with your 'loose' definition of hearing. A rose by any other name is still a rose; A CI user is still considered deaf. :)

At any rate, I don't mean to discourage you from posting success stories that will make any parent proud! Please do keep 'em coming!
 
Eyeth said:
None, really. ;) I merely disagreed with your 'loose' definition of hearing. A rose by any other name is still a rose; A CI user is still considered deaf. :)
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:gpost: I agree with you, Eyeth. ;)
 
No matter what, ci still as condiser DEAF because when you turn it off ci while you sleeping... STILL YOU'RE DEAF..

When u get up turn ci on ... you can hear anything but not 100% background disorted directly picked it up.. Only frequecy picked it up about 70% and 30% isn't picked up correctly specific what sound coming from and understand you more specific wording? I doubt.
 
I want to say thank you to Cheri,

I have a deaf son who is 13 years old now , when he was 13 months old the ENT specialists said that my son are on the borderline to have the C.I . and I said to the ENT specialists No thanks because I want my son to make his own decision when he get older. So he can hear good with hearing aids, and recently I talked to my deaf son about this ENT that said he is on the borderline for get the C.I . Know what his response to me ... * THANKS GOD that you didn't get me this C.I*. And said this hearing aids is good enough for him to use and can hear but not clearly . but does can hear when his name being calling by me or families even friends too ... etc..... so on ..... :scatter:

One of my decesed service user at work . he had the C.I user for 20 years . I asked him can he hear clearly with this C.I he said no just make funny background noises he can't not to catch it and said too many noises he can not to make it out what it is and he said it all waste of time, so he sometime had to used it for reason when he is alone at home so he said can sometime to picked up any noises....

So Cloggy please try to accept it what your daughter have .. it is nothing to be shame of. I always say that I am DEAF when people try talk to me like in the food stores . E.G:- when I was just check or look at the foods from the shelves .. then it turned around realised that the person been tried talk to me ... and I told this person sorry I am Deaf . then this person said Oh I am sorry .. then I used lipreading to this person Can I help ? , this person started talked slowly asked me how much is this please because I had left my reading glasses at home. then I check and used my finger to writing the amount of this item. and this person thank me very much for it .... I just felt so proud what I did ... that showing the hearing world that the Deaf People can do it of any help .. yet knowing some hearing people often walk away after I said that I am Deaf. I just went 'huh' oh well .. ( sniff my armpits or check see I have got 2 heads on my shoulders LOL )

But it would be the different story if any person who were born hearing then became deaf in earlier or later life , when they get the C.I they will know what it like to be hearing ... because they can to remember what the noises or music like ... that fine and but for me no thanks as I was born deaf SO BE IT!

That is all i could say ... :)
 
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