Deaf + HOH + CI <------> Deaf + (HOH + CI)

[Lavender]

1) Profoundly Deaf & Late-Deafened w/Ci(s) - HoH

2) Mild, Moderate & Severe Deaf w/Ha's - HoH

3) Profoundly Deaf & Late-Deafened w/ or w/o Ha's,
Severe Deaf & Moderate Deaf w/o Ha's - Deaf

 

[Tousi]

1) Profoundly Deaf & Late-Deafened w/Ci(s) - HoH

2) Mild, Moderate & Severe Deaf w/Ha's - HoH

3) Profoundly Deaf & Late-Deafened w/ or w/o Ha's,
Severe Deaf & Moderate Deaf w/o Ha's - Deaf

Here we go, under the microscope again.....

 

[Cloggy]

Ah yes, but in this post, his daughter is heairng like a hearing person so I am just confused...


can assure you ( and I am aware that "result vary per person..) that Lotte can hear at the level of a hearing person.... decibel-wise. Of course, understanding is on the way....

So which is it..almost hearing or actual hearing?

She can hear a pin drop on the table... but understanding speech takes more than just hearing sound.

Like seeing BW vs color. There's still information missing. But there's plenty information to "see everything".

 

[Cloggy]

I agree with you completely... he always posts two different sides.. I find it very hard to believe him.....i had seen pix of Lotte... she is so beautiful...

SexyPiggy,
Time to back up your statements where you are saying that I am lying. Like a true Troll, you drop your loads without backing anything up..

If you don't have anything to say, don't start lying !

 

[shel90]

Well to correct that.............they STILL have found that the CI varies tremendously in terms of benifit. Just as with hearing aids, benifit can range to just enviromental sound, to being functionally hoh.
Cloggy, even the best users of CI aren't hearing. They don't hear like hearing people. (and if they do then how come CI MEMS, which make hearing more "nautral" sounding are being pursued?) The only "pretty much hearing" folks are UNILATERALLY dhh folks! (and even THEY have their problems, like localizing sound or hearing in noisy situions that normally hearing people don't)
I am an amazing user of my hearing aids. I can hear the TV downstairs with my aids. I can hear things like sneakers on astroturf etc etc.
BUT even with all that I am STILL hoh even with my aids on!
One thing that I don't think you quite understand is that quite a lot of the "understanding" speech with CI or hearing aids comes from hearing people subconciously modifying their speech patterns to make it easier for us dhh folks to understand. I can understand people who modify their articualtion and enunciation perfectly, but that doesn't mean I'll be able to understand someone who doesn't have experiance interacting with dhh people. As a matter of fact, I remember when I was at college and summer camp, every time I would return I'd have to retrain everyone to interact with me. I can understand a lot of people, but not the way a hearing person can.......that is the SAME with virtually ALL dhh people!
What next? Are you going to claim that CI will enable people to understand people with really thick accents? People with VERY soft voices or peopel who don't enunicate/articualte that well?

Yea..it is so interesting how the brain "hears". With my degree of hearing loss, many audiologists are very amazed by how well I can "hear" with my HAs..They said that I shouldnt be able to recognize the instrument sounds when listening to music, identify the differences of a car and plane passing by, distinguist between male and female voices and many more. Also, the audiologists that I meet as an adult become shocked by the degree of my hearing loss cuz of how well I can speak..so something in my brain was programmed right. My brother, on the other hand, when he puts HAs on...all sounds are completely garbled to him and hurts his head.

What is your dB loss without HAs and with HAs? Mine is 120 dB without HAs and I think around 95 dB with HAs.

 

[shel90]

I don't think that "CI" should be a label on its own. If we were to create new labels, then we would have to say "deaf CI", "HOH CI", "hearing CI", etc.

Some people get CI and still act the same as they were, socializing with deaf people, using sign language, etc. Some people get CI and change their behavior, talking more and signing less, socializing with hearing people more, etc. Some people get CI and consider themselves "hearing"... avoiding deaf people, stop signing, socialize with hearing people only, treat deaf people with disrespect or look them down, etc.

It is sad if they do that. We, deaf people without CIs, are still human! I think it is immature of them to do that.

 

[deafdyke]

What is your dB loss without HAs and with HAs? Mine is 120 dB without HAs and I think around 95 dB with HAs.

Wow.......you can hear speech at 95 dB? I've got a moderately severe loss (like 70 dB) without aids, and with aids I've got baiscly a very slight loss.........But I still hear 100% through bone conduction, rather then air conduction.

 

[ClearSky]

Why am I getting so tired of hearing segregations and issues with cochlear implants? I have one myself, and there's nothing weird about it.

I don't think of anything. A CI is like a hearing aid to me except you have a CI. I don't think anyone understands a CI until they get one for themselves, and if you don't get one, then fine with me...who cares...let's get along as equals, but jeez, does it have to go on and on and on that a CI is something so weird still? I know that this is why some deafs who get CI disregard their CI once in the deaf community who make them feel so inferior is because of people making an issue about it. I know a girl who stopped wearing it in her deaf school because the students would make fun of her.

I don't know...I think this is a stupid thread, and I feel like voicing this opinion whether or not it is answering the original post. It's so stupid. Honestly, I barely come to this part of the forum anymore because there's nothing new, but issues with the CI that is just neverending.

This is another thread and poll to label CIers.

 

[shel90]

Why am I getting so tired of hearing segregations and issues with cochlear implants? I have one myself, and there's nothing weird about it.

I don't think of anything. A CI is like a hearing aid to me except you have a CI. I don't think anyone understands a CI until they get one for themselves, and if you don't get one, then fine with me...who cares...let's get along as equals, but jeez, does it have to go on and on and on that a CI is something so weird still? I know that this is why some deafs who get CI disregard their CI once in the deaf community who make them feel so inferior is because of people making an issue about it. I know a girl who stopped wearing it in her deaf school because the students would make fun of her.

I don't know...I think this is a stupid thread, and I feel like voicing this opinion whether or not it is answering the original post. It's so stupid. Honestly, I barely come to this part of the forum anymore because there's nothing new, but issues with the CI that is just neverending.

This is another thread and poll to label CIers.

I gotta admit I thought the same when I first saw this thread but since I dont have a CI, I kept quiet. I agree with u..I dont understand the point of labeling more deaf people..

 

[Lavender]

u won't believe this mine is odd. I only have R 04% at 0 dbsl & L 04 at 10 dbsl w/ha's.

 

[jillio]

We are talking about CI in general.... so why do you pull it towards personal experiences....

And the same question to you?

 

[jillio]

For me when it comes to hearing, it is about comprehension which is why I got confused by these statements. In their view it was about decibel levels.

Yea, the understanding/comprehension is the major battle cuz the children need that to be able to develop literacy skills. Yes, it is nice to hear environmental sounds and I agree that it is great to have but I get nervous when it comes to the issue of how much the children really can comprehend everything. It varies from each CI user...I like to use both languages to make sure the children are comprehending everything whether it is visually or auditory or even both!

Here is where we tend to get caught up in semantics. Actually, the definition of hearing includes processing sound to the degree that it allows for understanding and comprehension. What cloggy and others are refering to is sound perception. Sound perception is quite different from hearing, as hearing involves discrimination and interpretation. And even though others accuse it of simply being a semantical argument, it is a very important distiction when one is referring to benefit from CI, from HA, or from any other devise. And it is extremely important in an educational enviroment. These are the variables that many do not consider, and therefore, children continue to underserved educationally and discriminated against socially.

 

[jillio]

Here we go, under the microscope again.....

Agreed. This constant recategorization serves to undermine all.

 

[jillio]

She can hear a pin drop on the table... but understanding speech takes more than just hearing sound.

Like seeing BW vs color. There's still information missing. But there's plenty information to "see everything".

And how is sound perception without interpretation of that sound into something meaningful beneficial?

 

[jillio]

I gotta admit I thought the same when I first saw this thread but since I dont have a CI, I kept quiet. I agree with u..I dont understand the point of labeling more deaf people..

Becasue it serves to individuate the population. Sociologically, it makes it easier to invalidate their input and validate your own position in the case of oralism. The old divide and conquer ploy. Rather than seeing the similarities, they choose to see the differences. Like we both have on shirts, but you couldn't possibly know anything about what go through because your shirt is red and mine is blue. This whole issue is chock full of fallacy,

 

[Tousi]

And how is sound perception without interpretation of that sound into something meaningful beneficial?

Yeah, Jillio, this reminds me, if I am catching your point, of a personal kind of phenomenon: I have known a couple of deaf acquaintances who can, for example, hear a jet aircraft long before I can; yet, I can fairly comfortably use a telephone with an amplifier whereas these individuals cannot.

 

[jillio]

Yeah, Jillio, this reminds me, if I am catching your point, of a personal kind of phenomenon: I have known a couple of deaf acquaintances who can, for example, hear a jet aircraft long before I can; yet, I can fairly comfortably use a telephone with an amplifier whereas these individuals cannot.

EXACTLY! And so you understand why the distinction would be so valuable in determining benefit in an educational environment.

 

[Cloggy]

And how is sound perception without interpretation of that sound into something meaningful beneficial?

Isn't that how all (hearing) people start learing about sounds??? Interpretation comes after the sound... and has to be learned....

She's learning!

 

[Cloggy]

Becasue it serves to individuate the population. Sociologically, it makes it easier to invalidate their input and validate your own position in the case of oralism. The old divide and conquer ploy. Rather than seeing the similarities, they choose to see the differences. Like we both have on shirts, but you couldn't possibly know anything about what go through because your shirt is red and mine is blue. This whole issue is chock full of fallacy,

I recall experienced HA and CI users explaining about the differences between the experience with HA or CI.....

For some people a CI is just a better HA. For others it's a new world...

What's wrong about that....

 

[jillio]

I recall experienced HA and CI users explaining about the differences between the experience with HA or CI.....

For some people a CI is just a better HA. For others it's a new world...

What's wrong about that....

It is still assisted auditory function. And there is nothing wrong with it. What is wrong is the assumption that assisted auditory function somehow superior to non-assisted, and the categorization of a population into numerous sub-divides that creates a system of discrimination within the population as well as without.