Deaf Education research......

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Minor quibble-PFH that God gave us signs- Was it not started a couple of centuries back in France? Why would it not have used from the start of civilizations- speech surely was!
I declare I don't believe in Santa Claus!

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More minor quibble-LoveBlue- whether Eve could speak in what language- to Adam re: eating an apple was not mentioned extensively in Genesis. Pointing a finger is not ASL.
I am not that old to have been around centuries on whether ASL was used as there is NO documents around that suggest such a hypothesis. Yeah- believe it or not there were no books either! Seems they used parchment/goat skins much later. I suspect not many persons here in alldeaf.com were either!
I declare I don't believe in Santa Claus as a real person but in the last few centuries some of us celebrate Christ's birthday by passing gifts. Now: Christmas seems to be more extensively a "shopping experience". Time changed?

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Minor quibble-PFH that God gave us signs- Was it not started a couple of centuries back in France? Why would it not have used from the start of civilizations- speech surely was!
I declare I don't believe in Santa Claus!
Didn't Eve POINT to the apple on the tree as she told Adam they should eat it?
How do you know some sort of sign was not being used by early civilization? Were you there?
The spirit of Santa Claus lives forever. To bad some lose that spirit when they "mature".
 
Deaf Education Research

Very Interesting :).

Source: Educating Deaf Students: From Research to Practice

Years of empty bias against deaf children were replaced with a seemingly
uncritical acceptance of the assumption that there are no differences between deaf and hearing learners except for their hearing (an assumption that we will show to be wrong and potentially detrimental to the education of deaf children).

For example, intelligence tests that previously were far from cultur-
ally fair with regard to deaf children were replaced by tests designed using
the criterion that deaf and hearing children are essentially identical, and
subsequent studies using those tests concluded (circularly) that the assump-
tion was true. It still remains unclear, however, whether the finding of simi-
lar distributions of deaf and hearing children's scores on nonverbal IQ tests
really indicates that the two populations have comparable intelligence or
is a consequence of the way in which the tests were constructed. If verbal
(i.e., language-based) IQ doesn't matter, why do we continue to use it with
hearing children?

Similarly, the lackluster results of English-based signing and Simulta-
neous Communication in supporting literacy development in deaf learners
led to a fervent embrace of ASL and bilingual ASL-English programs as the
solution to the English challenges of deaf learners. While the potential im-
portance of sign language for most young deaf children seems beyond rea-
sonable doubt, the theoretical rationale and empirical evidence for ASL
serving as a bridge to English literacy are slim, at best. More important, we
have been remarkably lax in holding such approaches to the same standards
that led to the rejection, in many quarters, of English-based signing. In short,
it seems no more valid now to reject out of hand all things “oral” or “inclu-
sive” than it used to be to reject all things “manual” or related to being Deaf.

More progress has been made in educating deaf students dur-
ing the last 30 years than in the previous 300. We now know what works
and what does not work to promote learning, language development, and
literacy, even if there is still a long way to go. And a variety of practices
central to the academic achievement of deaf students have come about as
a function of basic and applied research: the use of more visually oriented
teaching strategies, hands-on learning activities, the early use of sign lan-
guage to enhance language and cognitive development, emphasizing rela-
tions among concepts, and many others to be described later.

Perhaps most centrally, our thinking about deaf learners clearly has
been molded by our understanding of the roles of communication and lan-
guage throughout development and education. Communication is the tie
that binds children to parents and to society and that provides for social
and academic education. There is no aspect of educating deaf learners—
from infancy to adulthood—that does not depend on or benefit from clear
and accessible communication.
 
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Very Interesting ;).


NTID's more recent research published in Oxford's Deaf Studies .... 2010 (specifically Marschark's) on language acquisition and development is even more definitive about this. I'd type it out for a 3rd time, but each time I do the thread gets deleted, and I have really awful typing skills.
 
NTID's more recent research published in Oxford's Deaf Studies .... 2010 (specifically Marschark's) on language acquisition and development is even more definitive about this. I'd type it out for a 3rd time, but each time I do the thread gets deleted, and I have really awful typing skills.
Really? That is a shame!
 
don't think that there will ever be a time when there are no schools for kids ho use ASL. There may be less, and I believe most will also have spoken language emphasized as well, but I think there will always be ASL.
Ditto, The very problem with mainstream is that it's too "one size fits all"
I think that programs for the dhh may move towards having the kid be bilingal. Which in turn will INCREASE enrollment. Including many hoh kids. It does seem that a HUGE HUGE part of the reason why a lot of parents chose oral only is b/c of concerns that there isn't enough speech offered.
 
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Soooo....rockdrummer, if someone says there's a research saying kid with CI do better than ASL deaf, would you call them an a..clown for not providing research? Would you take their word for it and believe it? Why jump on people for saying ASL is better but not jump on people saying oral only with CI is better?
 
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Soooo....rockdrummer, if someone says there's a research saying kid with CI do better than ASL deaf, would you call them an a..clown for not providing research? Would you take their word for it and believe it? Why jump on people for saying ASL is better but not jump on people saying oral only with CI is better?

Good question.
Now, I am wondering as well.
 
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I'm wondering if he have a difficult believing it could be true while it is easy for him to believe CI oral deaf do better. I think they can be equally successful and it all depends on the child and/or his parents (like reading to them , keeping an eye on their progress (that they are improving) and such.
 
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If verbal
(i.e., language-based) IQ doesn't matter, why do we continue to use it with
hearing children?
In addition, why haven't we seen oral deaf's verbal IQ rise? Verbal IQ measures mastery of English. If they were on par with hearing kids, then they should have on par verbal IQs. But yet overall the entire pediatric Dhh population has lower verbal IQs.
 
In addition, why haven't we seen oral deaf's verbal IQ rise? Verbal IQ measures mastery of English. If they were on par with hearing kids, then they should have on par verbal IQs. But yet overall the entire pediatric Dhh population has lower verbal IQs.

I'm always teaching PFH new words xDDDDD :P
 
:hmm: Very Interesting.

I need some help here. I have read and re-read this stuff. Did anybody see in this research or this thread anywhere where it is stated, or suggested that ASL kids outperform CI kids. And if so would you be so kind as to point it out. Maybe my eyes are glazing over from too much reading. Thanks for any assistance. :ty:
 
:hmm: Very Interesting.

RD, you already know that if a child don't have a language before he gets a CI (which can take a year, sometimes two years depending on if a doctor think they would benefit from HAs), it would delay them. Which is why parents should sign to them so they don't waste any time. A hearing child usually say their first word at 8 months or so.
 
Very Interesting :).

Perhaps most centrally, our thinking about deaf learners clearly has been molded by our understanding of the roles of communication and language throughout development and education. Communication is the tie that binds children to parents and to society and that provides for social and academic education. There is no aspect of educating deaf learners— from infancy to adulthood—that does not depend on or benefit from clear and accessible communication.

how's that coming for you?
 
RD, you already know that if a child don't have a language before he gets a CI (which can take a year, sometimes two years depending on if a doctor think they would benefit from HAs), it would delay them. Which is why parents should sign to them so they don't waste any time. A hearing child usually say their first word at 8 months or so.

It has been my experience that most families DO sign pre-CI, even if they completely drop it after. Also, the child should be doing pre-op therapy when they have hearing aids. They should be developing language, even if it isn't age appropriate.
 
In addition, why haven't we seen oral deaf's verbal IQ rise? Verbal IQ measures mastery of English. If they were on par with hearing kids, then they should have on par verbal IQs. But yet overall the entire pediatric Dhh population has lower verbal IQs.

Tsk
 
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