Deaf child hears for the first time

[shel90]

No one oppresses you unless you let them. And since when is giving a child a shot at hearing and language oppression?

U are not thinking outside of the box.

I can't help u unless you are willing to see the bigger picture.

 

[Foxrac]

Foxrac, some HOH people can hear within normal levels with hearing aids....same thing. That is what you're missing.

That's not what I'm talking - you said CI give a HOH style, that why many members disagree with your claim.

You need to re-look at your statement and there is nothing for me to missing.

 

[TXgolfer]

U are not thinking outside of the box.

I can't help u unless you are willing to see the bigger picture.

Words have definitions for a reason. Words are not supposed to be thought of outside the box.(Poetry not withstanding). Fact of the matter is that Drs give their opinion of what THEY feel is the best course for the child. Parents have a choice whether or not to follow that opinion or seek a variety of opinions elsewhere. To call this "oppression" does a disservice to those who are legitimately oppressed. IMO making claims like "oppression" and "offensive" hinder the progress of the deaf community as well. Claims like these push supporters away and undermine credibility.

 

[Foxrac]

Words have definitions for a reason. Words are not supposed to be thought of outside the box.(Poetry not withstanding). Fact of the matter is that Drs give their opinion of what THEY feel is the best course for the child. Parents have a choice whether or not to follow that opinion or seek a variety of opinions elsewhere. To call this "oppression" does a disservice to those who are legitimately oppressed. IMO making claims like "oppression" and "offensive" hinder the progress of the deaf community as well. Claims like these push supporters away and undermine credibility.

The doctor or hospital could seeking court order to require a child to receive a medical treatment for deafness, known as implant the CI. The doctor has a lot of powers.

I'm middle, you pull my right arm and deafdyke pull my left arm.

 

[TXgolfer]

The doctor or hospital could seeking court order to require a child to receive a medical treatment for deafness, known as implant the CI. The doctor has a lot of powers.

I'm middle, you pull my right arm and deafdyke pull my left arm.

No, the Dr. has no power. Even if a case like that made it to court it would be the judge with the power. But that is not what we are talking about here.

 

[Foxrac]

No, the Dr. has no power. Even if a case like that made it to court it would be the judge with the power. But that is not what we are talking about here.

Well, I disagree because I believe that doctor has a lot of powers, even they took patients to court after refuse the treatment and the judge forced patients to accept the doctor's request to receive a medical treatment against their wish. Last year, my therapist threatened me to get court order to force me to accept unnecessary treatment based on flawed diagnosis - they mistakenly labeled me as mental disorder but I was smart to yank her off by getting my lawyer (that was your advice that helped me about long time ago). After that, I closed the case and it was one of worst therapist that I had seen.

However, that's fine if you think so but in my feeling, it isn't.

 

[Grummer]

Three years ago, Grayson Clamp was born deaf; three weeks ago, he became the first child in the U.S. to receive what's called an auditory brain stem implant—and heard his father’s voice for the first time.

Grayson, 3, who was adopted by Len and Nicole Clamp of Charlotte, N.C., is missing the cochlear nerves that allow humans to process and hear sound, the Daily Mail reports. When the Clamps heard about a new research trial for deaf children at UNC Hospitals in Chapel Hill, they jumped at the opportunity to change their son's life.

For the auditory brain stem implant, doctors implanted a microchip in Grayson’s brain to help him process and recognize noises. Grayson’s face lit up when he heard his father speak.

Most of the roughly 1,000 people who have undergone the procedure only have a basic awareness of sound. According to WBTV, the Clamps say their new job is to teach Grayson how to make sense of what he hears.

“We don’t know what it’s like for him,” said Grayson’s mother, Nicole. “We don’t know exactly what he hears. His brain is still trying to organize itself to use sound.”

Deaf child hears for the first time

i got a problem with that...the 'we dont know what its like for him'...says three things...
1) it is unknown what its lke to 'hear artificually'....
2) it is unknown of the taskes required and how intenstive and how long would rehabilitation takes and how much commitment,
3) in relation to number 2, to reap the 'benefits requires utmost commitment it is really fair to decide 'right you are going to try be hearing like us- we have it easier because we can hear you will have to work hard'
its hardly fair.
its hard to enought to learn all things aside from adding on a life tim burden to try pretend to be hearing.

 

[Reba]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned it but the little boy and his parents use cued speech, not ASL. I'd say they that they had already decided to go the oral route even before he had the surgery.

 

[TXgolfer]

i got a problem with that...the 'we dont know what its like for him'...says three things...
1) it is unknown what its lke to 'hear artificually'....
2) it is unknown of the taskes required and how intenstive and how long would rehabilitation takes and how much commitment,
3) in relation to number 2, to reap the 'benefits requires utmost commitment it is really fair to decide 'right you are going to try be hearing like us- we have it easier because we can hear you will have to work hard'
its hardly fair.
its hard to enought to learn all things aside from adding on a life tim burden to try pretend to be hearing.

That is not what they are saying at all. They are saying "we feel this gives our child the best shot at success." You and I don't have to like that or agree with it. They are the parents so it is their decision to make. good news, you get to make decisions for your kids too if and when you have them. That is the job of a parent.

 

[Grummer]

parents get persuaded, just like judges in the courts, it doesnt matter if the person killed or not, what matters it how it was argued and won.
same sort of thing with doctors talking nonsense about CI, to them its all about 'hearingness' but THEY DONT know squat about what comes after it...the endurance of oralism...that's where the problem is

parents are just too freakn lazy, they expect their child to BE like then, they dnt wanna know about deafness not one bit, but 'dealing with a little bit of deafness' is "Better" than dealing with 'real Deafness". It all a big a big Fallacy

 

[TXgolfer]

parents get persuaded, just like judges in the courts, it doesnt matter if the person killed or not, what matters it how it was argued and won.
same sort of thing with doctors talking nonsense about CI, to them its all about 'hearingness' but THEY DONT know squat about what comes after it...the endurance of oralism...that's where the problem is

parents are just too freakn lazy, they expect their child to BE like then, they dnt wanna know about deafness not one bit, but 'dealing with a little bit of deafness' is "Better" than dealing with 'real Deafness". It all a big a big Fallacy

I disagree. And it really doesn't matter, it is the parents job to make decisions for their child.

 

[Bebonang]

I disagree. And it really doesn't matter, it is the parents job to make decisions for their child.

You don't know squat about the child's deafness especially CI. You are suppose to pay attention to the deaf child's needs first before you make decisions. The adopted parents don't care about his deafness and his needs. They went ahead getting him to get brain stem implant like a guinea pig and hoping that he will hear clearly like a hearing person. The little boy was not responding to his father when he tried to communicate with him. He completely ignored him.

They are testing him like being in the experiment lab. Geeze. I don't like your thinking. You have to accept the child being deaf. If you don't, he or she will turn against you if you force your child to do your bidding. I don't know why you are here if you don't understand and agree with us. We have been through it and you have no idea how we suffered under the oralism method . You have no right to be here if you keep making the denial about it.

 

[dkf747]

I'm going off topic.....I'm just making an observation but I don't really want to make a whole thread about it. Have you ever noticed how much we squabble about simple words? We're a rather overly sensitive prickly bunch aren't we? Most of these words are rather simple, and are just for describing something....but we take them as judgements, personal attacks. WE are not our ears, or ability or inability to hear with them. Does it seem like there isn't much separation or is it just me?

Maybe I should make a thread about it

You're denying that words are powerful? Wars have been fought over mere words. Communication is extremely important. Saying a child "failed" a hearing test is judging the child defective. A terrible way to start life being labeled as a failure from the get-go. The results of a hearing test are usually measured in db, not pass or fail.

 

[shel90]

Words have definitions for a reason. Words are not supposed to be thought of outside the box.(Poetry not withstanding). Fact of the matter is that Drs give their opinion of what THEY feel is the best course for the child. Parents have a choice whether or not to follow that opinion or seek a variety of opinions elsewhere. To call this "oppression" does a disservice to those who are legitimately oppressed. IMO making claims like "oppression" and "offensive" hinder the progress of the deaf community as well. Claims like these push supporters away and undermine credibility.

Like I said before, whatever you believe. U haven't lived with the negative impact of the dr's decisions like many of us did.

 

[shel90]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned it but the little boy and his parents use cued speech, not ASL. I'd say they that they had already decided to go the oral route even before he had the surgery.

It appears to be.

 

[shel90]

You're denying that words are powerful? Wars have been fought over mere words. Communication is extremely important. Saying a child "failed" a hearing test is judging the child defective. A terrible way to start life being labeled as a failure from the get-go. The results of a hearing test are usually measured in db, not pass or fail.

And in addition to that, my brother and several of his classmates at the Deaf school were labeled as the oral failures.

So my brother got treated like the low functioning one in the family when in reality he is very very bright. Because of FB, my family finally got to discover that he is smart and just as capable as they are. They now wish they didn't listen to the doctors back then.

Again, doctors' words had a negative impact on my family regarding to the both of us.

 

[dogmom]

Anyone who does -not- believe words and the actions that can come from them- have the power to lead to oppression - is living in a fantasy land.

"Parent's choice" is crap. Parents aren't gods and they aren't right simply because they're parents.

 

[diehardbiker]

I have met and dealt with hearing parents that refused to allow their Deaf kids and relatives using Videophone and relay service, mind you many of them already over 18 years old and STILL controlled by their hearing parents and relatives, what do you call them? It STILL exists, I see enough. They mainly complained about this and asked me what their rights were. All I can say, move out and be on their own.

Due to information that I know, I do not have authorization to release details what I have witness and it was very very SAD. I feel bad for them. Mind you, that was not long time ago, it is during 21 Century! How many times I have seen and heard like this? The answer is countless times!

Of course, some are under 18, not much I could do for them, once again SAD! I have seen enough and yes I am pissed off... What the F. I can do?

That is why I can not agree with TXgolfer and Tucany after witness enough over time. How the hell can I agree, eh?

 

[CrazyPaul]

I have met and dealt with hearing parents that refused to allow their Deaf kids and relatives using Videophone and relay service, mind you many of them already over 18 years old and STILL controlled by their hearing parents and relatives, what do you call them? It STILL exists, I see enough. They mainly complained about this and asked me what their rights were. All I can say, move out and be on their own.

Due to information that I know, I do not have authorization to release details what I have witness and it was very very SAD. I feel bad for them. Mind you, that was not long time ago, it is during 21 Century! How many times I have seen and heard like this? The answer is countless times!

Of course, some are under 18, not much I could do for them, once again SAD! I have seen enough and yes I am pissed off... What the F. I can do?

Wow, what were the parents' reasons for not allowing them to have VP and use relay services at their place? Apparently, they don't respect deaf rights, even though they are their kids.

 

[diehardbiker]

Like I said, I can't share internal information. All I can say, what I have seen and heard.

And you got it right!

Wow, what were the parents' reasons for not allowing them to have VP and use relay services at their place? Apparently, they don't respect deaf rights, even though they are their kids.