Court of public opinion looms large in George Zimmerman murder trial

Jiro said:
oh that explains. how did a person die? was it something about pool?
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Alcohol. Over-served person wrecked and killed a guy driving home.
 
TXgolfer said:
Alcohol. Over-served person wrecked and killed a guy driving home.
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That's a common cause for suits now. Some of the bars in this area have been subject to them. (I live in a tourist area with lots of restaurants and bars.)
 
Reba said:
That's a common cause for suits now. Some of the bars in this area have been subject to them. (I live in a tourist area with lots of restaurants and bars.)
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I am glad too. People who over serve need to be held accountable.
 
TXgolfer said:
See, that is the problem. A lot of people want to punish him. Most people think what he did was stupid. But there is just no legal justification for manslaughter. The prosecution provided nothing to prove manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt.

I believe most if not all of the jury will see it your way but that isn't really a good thing. If that happens it means the jury acted out of emotion or fear rather than following the law. We all lose when that happens.
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It was a needless wrongful death that were the direct result of his actions, I don't know that seems pretty manslaughterierish to me. Yes I get to make up my own words. :)

I don't have a problem with guns, or carrying one. This isn't an issue for me. BUT you have a responsibility to act responsibly with one. I think having one made him a little brave and when things didn't play out like he thought they would he found out he wasn't very brave and he panicked. I don't believe his life was in danger, I don't believe he really thought his life was on danger but he panicked and he used his gun when he shouldn't have. If he hadn't gone for his gun, and defended himself with his his own hands and fists, he still would have walked away, both of them would have. If you kill somebody because you are behaving irresponsibly, yeah you should be punished. He shouldn't get to walk away with a "oh you Zimmerman, that was just silly. Don't do that again."
 
ambrosia said:
I totally agree. Any murder charge, whatever degree, was ridiculous, they never should have pursued that, manslaughter yes. I personally would hate for him to walk away with no punishment whatsoever. What he did was stupid, it was reckless and unnecessary and I have to wonder if he'd have even gotten out if his car if he wasn't armed. I highly doubt. You don't get to kill somebody just because they're beating you up.
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Yes, that what I believe too - manslaughter.

I think second degree murder is too far for Zimmerman, also if he is guilty on second degree murder so his conviction will likely to overturn in appeal court.

The appeal court will not take any new evidence - they only review based on current evidence.
 
I am perfectly aware of the Stand Your Ground laws, but to me he had to prove that he thought his life was in danger, you can't just shoot somebody because you're a chicken shit. Was TM armed? With even a sling shot? No. He had a broken nose and a couple small cuts on the back of his head. Nothing life threatening. Was he grossly outmanned? I don't think so, he had already spoken with 911, so he knew someone was on their way right?

I think if he walks away with no repercussions at all it will show that Stand Your Ground is far to loose, and far too easily abused. Which in my opinion doesn't do us any good either.

Btw pot will not turn you into the Hulk or something.
 
ambrosia said:
...Was he grossly outmanned? I don't think so, he had already spoken with 911, so he knew someone was on their way right?
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He had called the non-emergency number, not 9-1-1, so he had no expectation of a quick response.

I think if he walks away with no repercussions at all it will show that Stand Your Ground is far to loose, and far too easily abused....
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He didn't use Stand Your Ground for his defense. He claimed simple self defense.
 
Looks to me like it perfectly fits the definition of second degree murder.


second degree murder n. a non-premeditated killing, resulting from an assault in which death of the victim was a distinct possibility. Second degree murder is different from First Degree Murder which is a premeditated, intentional killing, or results from a vicious crime such as arson, rape, or armed robbery.
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second degree murder legal definition of second degree murder. second degree murder synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
 
Reba said:
He had called the non-emergency number, not 9-1-1, so he had no expectation of a quick response.


He didn't use Stand Your Ground for his defense. He claimed simple self defense.
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But Stand Your Ground laws have been called into question because of it. Regardless, he still had 8 weapons to defend himself with, he chose the gun.
 
That is a general definition though. The Florida penal code has a specific way of saying it:

Chapter 782 - HOMICIDE :: Florida CRIMES :: 2005 Florida Code :: Florida Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
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Their code describes the "depraved mind" intent, in that I interpret that it means Zimmerman would have to have malicious intentions/thoughts/personality to kill someone.

He just doesn't seem the hard type, in fact, I get the impression he probably actually cried that moment after killing Trayvon. He just seems to me to be one big softie with a tough cop act.
 
ambrosia said:
This is true, otherwise he wouldn't have brought the gun with right.
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I don't understand.

I don't care what he gets charged with as long as he doesn't walk away. You don't get to shoot someone because they broke your nose.
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Do you mean convicted, not charged?
 
Reba said:
I don't understand.


Do you mean convicted, not charged?
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He could have left the gun in his car, if he brought it that meant he thought he might be using it, which he did. And yes.
 
ambrosia said:
This is true, otherwise he wouldn't have brought the gun with right. I don't care what he gets charged with as long as he doesn't walk away. You don't get to shoot someone because they broke your nose.
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Yup, it smells bad to just let him walk away. It also puts up a bad interpretation of the law if people can just justifiably kill a person within bounds and walk away without any repercussions. Just raises the likelihood of more cop-wannabes with ccw's out there causing trouble and using GZ's case to defend their rights.
 
ambrosia said:
He could have left the gun in his car, if he brought it that meant he thought he might be using it, which he did. And yes.
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Can't say what he was thinking but i always have a gun on me. How am i supposed to kow when i'll need it?
 
naisho said:
Yup, it smells bad to just let him walk away. It also puts up a bad interpretation of the law if people can just justifiably kill a person within bounds and walk away without any repercussions. Just raises the likelihood of more cop-wannabes with ccw's out there causing trouble and using GZ's case to defend their rights.
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Exactly!!
 
ambrosia said:
I am perfectly aware of the Stand Your Ground laws, but to me he had to prove that he thought his life was in danger, you can't just shoot somebody because you're a chicken shit. Was TM armed? With even a sling shot? No. He had a broken nose and a couple small cuts on the back of his head. Nothing life threatening. Was he grossly outmanned? I don't think so, he had already spoken with 911, so he knew someone was on their way right?

I think if he walks away with no repercussions at all it will show that Stand Your Ground is far to loose, and far too easily abused. Which in my opinion doesn't do us any good either.

Btw pot will not turn you into the Hulk or something.
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Pot help people to relax and that is one reason it's being used as med .
 
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