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Jiro said:
Shame on Gates for accusing cop of being racist

Shame on Obama for commenting on this as racism

Shame on both of them for playing a race card

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yizuman said:
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I saw this afternoon's press conference by the police groups. All of the groups support Crowley, and were very upset with what the Governor and President said. They want an apology from Obama.
 
Reba said:
I saw this afternoon's press conference by the police groups. All of the groups support Crowley, and were very upset with what the Governor and President said. They want an apology from Obama.
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seriously doubt they will get one
 
Sad, ain't it? When a president refused to be humbled by the error of his ways by not acknowledging his mistake.
 
I think Gates is a racist and he did it on purpose.

But it's wrong for a cop to arrest a guy just because of his attitude. It is not illegal.

Obama really blew this one and I am not happy at all. He admitted his bias but still he should have not said anything.
 
kokonut said:
Obama Seeks to Clarify 'Stupidly' Comment, Praises White Policeman - Political News - FOXNews.com

If Obama smart, which we already know the answer to that, he'd apologize for making those remarks about the policeman. It's well documented that the police followed protocol. But will Obama apologize?
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Obama went further and called the policeman personally, even joked that he and him should have beer.

Give it a rest, Obama was stupid to get involved into that case personally but I am going to ignore that and let Obama deal with them directly.
 
I am chuckling at this one:

"In a statement to The Root, the Harvard professor says he would meet with the cop who arrested him, as President Obama has suggested."

Henry Louis Gates Jr. arrested

Sheesh... like I said, stupid. It would be so funny if that actually happens.
 
netrox said:
Obama went further and called the policeman personally, even joked that he and him should have beer.

Give it a rest, Obama was stupid to get involved into that case personally but I am going to ignore that and let Obama deal with them directly.
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Did Obama apologize for saying the "stupidily" remark?

Nah. He didn't. No guts. No humility.
 
netrox said:
I think Gates is a racist and he did it on purpose.

But it's wrong for a cop to arrest a guy just because of his attitude. It is not illegal.

Obama really blew this one and I am not happy at all. He admitted his bias but still he should have not said anything.
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actually you can be arrested for bad attitude. it's called Disorderly Conduct. Chance is - you may be under influence - alcohol, drug, illegal medication, etc.
 
Jiro said:
actually you can be arrested for bad attitude. it's called Disorderly Conduct. Chance is - you may be under influence - alcohol, drug, illegal medication, etc.
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Exactly. He failed to cooperate properly with the police (don't even matter if cop is black, white, asian whatever.) so he asked for it...his fault. not the cop's.
 
Steel X said:
Exactly. He failed to cooperate properly with the police (don't even matter if cop is black, white, asian whatever.) so he asked for it...his fault. not the cop's.
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yep there you go!

The Gates Case: When Disorderly Conduct is a Cop's Judgment Call
In law enforcement, there are few situations that are clear cut, and disorderly conduct is one of the fuzziest. As Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. now knows all too well, the misdemeanor charge can be used to corral people who are simply uncooperative or rude. State statutes are designed to help police officers maintain authority, and they are so broadly worded that divining what constitutes disorderly conduct is left up to the discretion of individual officers. "It's probably the most abused statute in America," says Eugene O'Donnell, a professor of law and police studies at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City.

Perhaps not surprisingly, a good chunk of disorderly conduct charges end up being dropped, as happened in the case against Gates, who was arrested on his porch July 16 after yelling at the officer who responded to a report of a possible break-in at the Harvard scholar's home in Cambridge, Mass. Gates, who is black, accused Sgt. James Crowley, who is white, of being a racist and also cast aspersions about the cop's "mama". "Mr. Gates was given plenty of opportunities to stop what he was doing. He didn't. He acted very irrational. He controlled the outcome of that event," Crowley told WBZ Radio in Boston on Thursday.

Talking trash by itself isn't a punishable offense — unless, it seems, you draw a crowd while doing it, which is part of the allegation against Gates. That's why in the wake of the Gates incident, cops are holding firm on the need for lots of latitude in issuing disorderly conduct charges. President Barack Obama, who said earlier this week that Cambridge police had "acted stupidly," called Crowley Friday to make nice, though he stopped short of issuing the apology that Massachusetts police unions sought and maintained that he still thought "there was an overreaction."

"Disorderly conduct is a fluid concept," says Tom Nolan, a criminal justice professor at Boston University who spent 27 years in uniform at the Boston Police Department. "Unlike a lot of other crimes, this really calls for the use of discretion in a way that armed robbery or more serious felony crime doesn't. The less serious a crime, the more officer discretion you use," he says, adding "discretion is judgment that we hope is based on wisdom, experience and training."

Disorderly conduct has its roots in the mid-19th century, when police officers needed a way to quell street brawls that erupted frequently between recent immigrants and already established residents, often regarding labor issues. Crowds would gather and cops needed to restore order in public places. According to the Cambridge police report, Gates exhibited "loud and tumultuous behavior, in a public place" that "caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed."

The issue of whether or not Gates — first in his home and later on his front porch — was in a public place has sparked plenty of debate, including in the blogosphere. Crowley's account of the incident included the detail that "at least seven" passers-by had stopped to rubberneck. Sam Goldberg, author of Boston Criminal Lawyer Blog, thinks the report includes that detail in order to bolster the case that this altercation was playing out publicly. "It's as if he was saying, 'Look, he was really causing a disturbance,'" says Goldberg, a criminal defense attorney at the Cambridge-based firm of Altman & Altman.

Jon Shane, who spent 17 years as a police officer in hardscrabble Newark, N.J., said that had he been the cop called to Gates' house, he would have left Gates and his huffy comments alone once he was sure Gates was the homeowner. He admits he may well have been offended by the professor's alleged bluster, but that's just part of the job, so much so that there's a term in police vernacular devoted to situations like this: contempt of cop.

"In contempt of court, you get loud and abusive in a courtroom, and it's against the law," says Shane, now a professor of criminal justice at John Jay who specializes in police policy and practice. "With contempt of cop, you get loud and nasty and show scorn for a law enforcement officer, but a police officer can't go out and lock you up for disorderly conduct because you were disrespectful toward them." The First Amendment allows you to say pretty much anything to the police. "You could tell them to go f--k themselves," says Shane, "and that's fine."

Like Shane, there are plenty of cops and ex-cops who think Gates' behavior didn't warrant the disorderly conduct charge, and there are those, like Nolan, who feel it did.

"Police pride themselves on resolving issues, and 99% of the time it occurs without arrests happening," says Nolan. "You are not going to win any accolades bringing in anyone for a street disturbance. It's a waste of time because in order to bring this situation to a conclusion, you've got hours of paperwork ahead of you."

"You do it because you have no other tool at your disposal," he says of disorderly conduct. "There really isn't any other choice."
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gee!! so he JUST figured it out now??? Harvard professor LOL
 
This is why I often say some of the stupidest and most anti-intellectual behavior comes from so-called "intellectuals".
 
Royale said:
I think Obama should apologize to Cambridge police for calling them stupid because it is very highly uncalled for.

Oh geez he already made that stupid comment without gathering all necessary and relative information first.
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Obama did not call the police officer stupid but said the police officer acted "stupidly"

Obama only know the fact is:

1. The police Officer went into the house without Gates´s permisson.
2. Gates was arrested after showed his both IDs.
3. Gates proved this is his home, the police officer should have left.


Steel X said:
There was no racism involved.

Gates was being a hypocrite and he did NOT cooperate properly with the police.

So he is the one who should apologize to the cop instead.
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Yes, I agreed that it has nothing do with racism.

Yes, I agreed that Gates overreacted.

Due racical history, African Americans are very sensitive to these issues. Gates is not only one, but I´ve noticed many threads about racism issues.

kokonut said:
Sad, ain't it? When a president refused to be humbled by the error of his ways by not acknowledging his mistake.
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kokonut said:
Obama Seeks to Clarify 'Stupidly' Comment, Praises White Policeman - Political News - FOXNews.com

If Obama smart, which we already know the answer to that, he'd apologize for making those remarks about the policeman. It's well documented that the police followed protocol. But will Obama apologize?

Nah.
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Yes, he have. Don´t you read that Obama accepted his responsible for his words?


kokonut said:
Did Obama apologize for saying the "stupidily" remark?

Nah. He didn't. No guts. No humility.
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Did GOP/Republicians apologize Sotomayor for false accuse her as Racist? Did they invite Sotomayer to have a drink with them? Nope!

I applaud Obama for taking responsibility for his words and invite Officer and Gates to have a beer with him in White House. It shows Good move

Gates agrees to beer with Obama, policeman
Black Harvard scholar ‘happy to oblige’ in peace-making effort

Gates agrees to beer with Obama, policeman - Race & ethnicity- msnbc.com

 
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