Confederate Flag

What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?

  • A symbol of Civil War History

    Votes: 41 25.8%

  • A symbol of racist

    Votes: 44 27.7%

  • A symbol of Heritage (Civil War Veteran Generation)

    Votes: 60 37.7%

  • Others - please specify

    Votes: 14 8.8%
  • Total voters
    159
Texan Guy said:
Folks, It's just a pride of the south, and some prides just don't go die.

Russian communists are still flying the Sickle and Hammer flag and Russia doesn't banned or outlawed it. And millions and millions were dying and died under flag of red Sickle and Hammer for nearly century.
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Texan Guy said:
So, were confederate and swastikas flags national and political symbolism.... IMO, I don't think the Confederate and Swasitka were the hate flag. They were the government flags but Nazis were the most evil government that the world has ever seen in the 20th Century.
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Yup, gotta agree with you.
 
Texan Guy said:
Folks, It's just a pride of the south, and some prides just don't go die.
Russian communists are still flying the Sickle and Hammer flag and Russia doesn't banned or outlawed it. And millions and millions were dying and died under flag of red Sickle and Hammer for nearly century.
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Then where is our 40 acres and a mule?
 
Texan Guy said:
So, were confederate and swastikas flags national and political symbolism.... IMO, I don't think the Confederate and Swasitka were the hate flag. They were the government flags but Nazis were the most evil government that the world has ever seen in the 20th Century.
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two wrongs don't make a right.......and comparing the two doesn't remove the evil in the lesser evil. that's only hocus pocus.
 
Tenn. teen battles school's Confederate flag ban
Trial by all-white jury is latest in string of cases across South

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - Tommy DeFoe wore his Southern pride on his Confederate flag belt buckle Wednesday as he argued in federal court that a school dress code banning such items violated his free speech rights.

"I am fighting for my heritage and my rights as a Southerner and an American," said the lanky DeFoe, 18, during a break in his trial.

DeFoe says his great-great uncle served in the Confederate army and "died for the South" in the Civil War.

But heritage was not the issue for Anderson County school officials who suspended DeFoe more than 40 times before he received his certificate of completion from the county vocational school last fall.

DeFoe's trial, which began Monday and is being heard by an all-white jury, is the latest in a string of cases across the South since the 1990s challenging dress codes that banned Confederate flag apparel: a prom gown in Kentucky, purses in Texas, T-shirts in Kentucky, South Carolina and Georgia.

It is unusual for such cases to go to a jury trial, however. Most were settled with a payment to the plaintiffs, said DeFoe attorney Kirk Lyons, who has been involved in many of the cases as chief trial lawyer for the North Carolina-based Southern Legal Resource Center. Others were thrown out by the judge.

DeFoe's lawyers claim the issue is whether the school system can ban the Confederate flag, a symbol of racism to some, if it causes no substantial disruption, Lyons said.

But officials in Anderson County, in East Tennessee not far from Knoxville, said they feared racial tension and violence if DeFoe continued to wear his Confederate flag shirts and belt buckle to class.

All sides agree his clothing failed to draw much notice at Anderson High School, where one of 1,160 students is black, or at the vocational school, where all 200 students are white.

But officials worried about the impact at Clinton High School six miles away, where about 100 of 1,200 students are black. Clinton High was the first public school desegregated by court order in the Old South in 1956 and was rocked by three massive explosions that temporarily closed the school in 1958.

"If he had worn at Clinton High what he wore at Anderson High it would have been a riot, somebody would have clobbered him," said county school board chairman John Burrell, one of several officials DeFoe is suing.

Yet Burrell said DeFoe clearly was "challenging the system. He knew the dress code. His father knew the dress code. He signed the dress code. He was challenging it."

Until 2001, the dress code for all Anderson County schools specifically banned the Confederate flag. Then the policy was rewritten to more general language "because we were afraid we would leave something out," Burrell said. Still, he said it was understood Confederate flag apparel wasn't allowed.

DeFoe's lawsuit questions why other symbols aren't banned, including the Mexican flag, the Canadian flag, political campaign buttons and images of Martin Luther King Jr.

He said other students wore Confederate flag clothing without consequence.

"I felt like I was the one who stood up for" what he believed in, he said.

Tenn. teen battles Confederate flag ban - Education - MSNBC.com
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Tenn. teen battles Confederate flag ban - Education - MSNBC.com
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Yeah a lot of public schools forbid using Confederate symbol because of the controversy over what it stands for. The public opinion and some blacks gets offended by the symbol. It is best to keep the symbols at home so one would not cause a stir and hell break loose.

I doubt that that guy will win his case in court, the rules has been in place long enough and they already know that school forbids using symbols. I guess we'll wait see what the update on that story when they come in the news again.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Tenn. teen battles school's Confederate flag ban
Trial by all-white jury is latest in string of cases across South

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - Tommy DeFoe wore his Southern pride on his Confederate flag belt buckle Wednesday as he argued in federal court that a school dress code banning such items violated his free speech rights.

"I am fighting for my heritage and my rights as a Southerner and an American," said the lanky DeFoe, 18, during a break in his trial.

DeFoe says his great-great uncle served in the Confederate army and "died for the South" in the Civil War.

But heritage was not the issue for Anderson County school officials who suspended DeFoe more than 40 times before he received his certificate of completion from the county vocational school last fall.

DeFoe's trial, which began Monday and is being heard by an all-white jury, is the latest in a string of cases across the South since the 1990s challenging dress codes that banned Confederate flag apparel: a prom gown in Kentucky, purses in Texas, T-shirts in Kentucky, South Carolina and Georgia.

It is unusual for such cases to go to a jury trial, however. Most were settled with a payment to the plaintiffs, said DeFoe attorney Kirk Lyons, who has been involved in many of the cases as chief trial lawyer for the North Carolina-based Southern Legal Resource Center. Others were thrown out by the judge.

DeFoe's lawyers claim the issue is whether the school system can ban the Confederate flag, a symbol of racism to some, if it causes no substantial disruption, Lyons said.

But officials in Anderson County, in East Tennessee not far from Knoxville, said they feared racial tension and violence if DeFoe continued to wear his Confederate flag shirts and belt buckle to class.

All sides agree his clothing failed to draw much notice at Anderson High School, where one of 1,160 students is black, or at the vocational school, where all 200 students are white.

But officials worried about the impact at Clinton High School six miles away, where about 100 of 1,200 students are black. Clinton High was the first public school desegregated by court order in the Old South in 1956 and was rocked by three massive explosions that temporarily closed the school in 1958.

"If he had worn at Clinton High what he wore at Anderson High it would have been a riot, somebody would have clobbered him," said county school board chairman John Burrell, one of several officials DeFoe is suing.

Yet Burrell said DeFoe clearly was "challenging the system. He knew the dress code. His father knew the dress code. He signed the dress code. He was challenging it."

Until 2001, the dress code for all Anderson County schools specifically banned the Confederate flag. Then the policy was rewritten to more general language "because we were afraid we would leave something out," Burrell said. Still, he said it was understood Confederate flag apparel wasn't allowed.

DeFoe's lawsuit questions why other symbols aren't banned, including the Mexican flag, the Canadian flag, political campaign buttons and images of Martin Luther King Jr.

He said other students wore Confederate flag clothing without consequence.

"I felt like I was the one who stood up for" what he believed in, he said.

Tenn. teen battles Confederate flag ban - Education - MSNBC.com
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First--the trial already has bias as it is being heard by an all-white jury.:roll:

Secondly, he knew the dress code, his father knew about the dress code and he signed it--meaning that he was going to follow the rules and decided to go against it by being selfish.

He deserves to lose!
 
Byrdie714 said:
First--the trial already has bias as it is being heard by an all-white jury.:roll:

Secondly, he knew the dress code, his father knew about the dress code and he signed it--meaning that he was going to follow the rules and decided to go against it by being selfish.

He deserves to lose!
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Absolutely. And comparing the Mexican flag, the Candadian flag, political campaign buttons, and images of MLK to the Confederate flag is comparing apples to oranges.
 
jillio said:
Absolutely. And comparing the Mexican flag, the Candadian flag, political campaign buttons, and images of MLK to the Confederate flag is comparing apples to oranges.
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Right..if one would wear the Nazi flag symbol at school, they would be suspended as well.

What about wearing the Iraq flag symbol?
 
shel90 said:
Right..if one would wear the Nazi flag symbol at school, they would be suspended as well.

What about wearing the Iraq flag symbol?
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Again....

jillio said:
Absolutely. And comparing the Mexican flag, the Candadian flag, political campaign buttons, and images of MLK to the Confederate flag is comparing apples to oranges.
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You have to remember that the Confederate flag is not recognized.
 
It has been a real sticky and touchy issue for a long time.

I recall that I had a lot of discussion about the Confederate Flag with my white and black friends who grew up in the former Confederate states at Gally. My white friends looked at it as pride and symbol of their heritage and my black friends looked at it as a symbol of racism and slavery that their ancestors experienced.

I recall that the black high school football star was invited to visit Ole Miss on a recruiting trip by their college football coach. He walked into their football field with the coach and he looked around the stadium. The star pouted and asked the coach, "Why are the Confederate flags flying here?" and the coach explained to him about the heritage. The star thanked the coach for the invitation, but he told him that he was going somewhere to play and study. In the end, he played and studied at Notre Dame.
 
Byrdie714 said:
First--the trial already has bias as it is being heard by an all-white jury.:roll:

Secondly, he knew the dress code, his father knew about the dress code and he signed it--meaning that he was going to follow the rules and decided to go against it by being selfish.

He deserves to lose!
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Exactly. And agreed on the bias.

Then again, to me, it's a symbol that was used by traitors to the Union and as a Yankee, I find it damn offensive to see a Confederate flag flying around here. :P
 
BradB08 said:
Exactly. And agreed on the bias.

Then again, to me, it's a symbol that was used by traitors to the Union and as a Yankee, I find it damn offensive to see a Confederate flag flying around here. :P
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Hey, buddy, why don't you come over to Mississippi and stay there for awhile or visit?
 
It have been awhile I reading this thread and haven't post anything since.

The truth is that I don't care about the Southeast USA States or the flag, I am going to worry about my own location, the West Coast or Pacific NW if you want to be specific. ;)
 
Calvin said:
Yeah a lot of public schools forbid using Confederate symbol because of the controversy over what it stands for. The public opinion and some blacks gets offended by the symbol. It is best to keep the symbols at home so one would not cause a stir and hell break loose.

I doubt that that guy will win his case in court, the rules has been in place long enough and they already know that school forbids using symbols. I guess we'll wait see what the update on that story when they come in the news again.
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Byrdie714´s post
First--the trial already has bias as it is being heard by an all-white jury.

Secondly, he knew the dress code, his father knew about the dress code and he signed it--meaning that he was going to follow the rules and decided to go against it by being selfish.

He deserves to lose!
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Exactly that´s what I thought so.

Rules is Rules... !!!
 
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