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Rampratt said:
Reba; That is exactly what this new law in Arizona is trying to do. "make the price higher than they are willing to pay" and they wont come in. Several have already left due to this new law. I agree thoroughly, keep them out and let them enter through regular legal channels but obviously more want to come over than we can accommodate. Unfortunately I don't have a good answer. Our Governor had no choice as the Federal Govt. is not doing it's job. If it was then this would not have been necessary.
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Correct. That's the biggest thing many are missing here. The federal govt abdicated its duty to protect the border states of CA, AZ, NM and TX. Arizona's hand was forced to do something about it. And so they did. Blame the federal govt for failing it's duty, not Arizona.
 
kokonut said:
Correct. That's the biggest thing many are missing here. The federal govt abdicated its duty to protect the border states of CA, AZ, NM and TX. Arizona's hand was forced to do something about it. And so they did. Blame the federal govt for failing it's duty, not Arizona.
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What a patriot you are! :roll:
 
shel90 said:
Greed..that's why. Isn't it ironic..it is Americans who are reinforcing this behavior by hiring them under the table and yet, we are complaining about them entering our country illegally?
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Yeppers. America has become completely selfish, self centered, and everyone thinks they have some sense of entitlement. It is truly sad to watch...especially when I can remember a time when Americans were inclined to be so much less self centered, would take whatever job was offered to feed their families, and held the attitude that the only thing they were entitled to was opportunity. Americans place themselves in the position that reinforces the hiring of illegals.
 
jillio said:
What a patriot you are! :roll:
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Those years when "W" was in power, not one illegal crossed. They stacked themselves at the border, 300 bodies deep, waiting until Obama was inaugurated, then poured in.
 
Jiro said:
The federal law says the hospital must render EMERGENCY CARE to a person - either legal or illegal. For preventive medicine, the illegals are on their own. That's why I'm telling you about Obamacare. Obamacare was all about preventive medicine and it's not going to cover illegals. An interesting read here - link.

so what kind of medical care have they been receiving?


the illegal kids are allowed to be in our public schools because the Supreme Court says so over 25 years ago. This remains unchallenged because it has proven beneficial for USA. Many of them grew up and stayed in America to contribute to America as taxpayers. They are beneficial on national level but unfortunately... at local level - it causes a burden on us. A very interesting read - Educating the "other" children - education of illegal immigrants may be necessary

One way or another - the illegal kids are easily identified and eventually, the parents will eventually get caught and deported back. It'll work out eventually in the end. It's like this - in New Jersey... it is legal to own hollowpoint rounds (because of Amendment 2) but it is illegal to shoot hollowpoint rounds in NJ (a clever workaround to federal law). You'll eventually go to jail.


I don't have question. I already know what kind of benefits can they get or not.


well we have social responsibility.


and how is it federal government's fault with illegals being able to obtain driver license? Most of states didn't want to adopt REAL ID Act. The state is the one that issued license to them, not federal government.


oh? so you know which one is an illegal or not? Better call Arizona Governor Brewer to train the officers!!!


Currently - the police can investigate the person's immigration status AFTER they commit the crime.


yes but this doesn't mean the state should take matters into its own hands if the federal government isn't doing enough. I don't support vigilantism.

This is no different from the citizens taking matters into their own hands (via Amendment 2) if the cops aren't doing their jobs good enough to combat against high crime rates. I don't support vigilantism.
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Excellent post, Jiro. And you are so correct about addressing the problem at it's root instead of trying to superficially address it just to pacify the voting public.
 
Reba said:
You wanted examples, and I gave you at least two specific ones (the coma patient, and the amputation patient with after care), and two general ones including dialysis and chemotherapy, which aren't usually emergency room visits.

I don't know how extensive a report you expect from me.
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Well then - that was hospital's choice to continue to provide care. It is good that they upheld Hippocratic Oath even though they are not required to provide non-emergency medical care.

Reba said:
It said that illegal aliens are not legally entitled to the care. It didn't say they didn't get the care. There is a difference.
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yes. precisely the difference.... which the naysayers should know. the illegals are not legally entitled to the care under Obamacare and current federal laws. It is up to hospital to render a medical assistance on good faith or not.

Reba said:
If a person doesn't tell the truth about status or the hospital doesn't force for proof of status, then the patient will be served.

I don't want to discus any details about that link because, for some reason, you picked a story with people in it whom I know personally. Potential conflict of interest or bias for me.
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I understand and I respect it. I just looked at the article and I was surprised to see that it's about South Carolina hospital.

Reba said:
Like I've been saying all along, first don't let any more illegal aliens in. Then, we can start dealing with the situation as it is.
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yes. focus more on employers and borders, not within the community.
 
kokonut said:
Correct. That's the biggest thing many are missing here. The federal govt abdicated its duty to protect the border states of CA, AZ, NM and TX. Arizona's hand was forced to do something about it. And so they did. Blame the federal govt for failing it's duty, not Arizona.
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yes the federal government abdicated its duty to focus on high-priority targets like drug smugglers and terrorists. Those are much more dangerous than hundred of harmless illegals together. Its damage and repercussion are far too great and costly because the helpless victims will OD on their drugs. innocent people will get killed over drug turf wars. people get sent to already-overcrowded jails on drug charges. it affects the victim's family members and us as taxpayers because our tax money is being used for those terrible tragedy here at home.

Do you mean to tell me that you want the federal government to cut its full attention on high-value targets to focus on trivial-value targets who just wanted to make a few extra dollars for their family back home?
 
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