Cochlear decison

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Jiro said:
so Cloggy.... is CI surgery a matter of life and death situation like heart surgery?
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Guess you're not going to get an answer.:jaw:



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I'll throw this out there:

I was at Walmart this afternoon with my family, and my kids kept themselves busy at the video game display while my wife shopped for food. There were some teenage girls playing the Wii, and my 5-year old Deaf son stood next to them and watched for a bit. I wasn't really paying attention, but a few minutes later I noticed he had the controller and was playing while they watched. When his round finished, he handed the controller to the girl next to him and patiently waited for his turn. When I walked over to them, he gave me a big grin and signed THREE-OF-US SHARE!

So somehow, without the benefit of speech, my son was able to negotiate turn-taking with two hearing girls. Does he really need cochlear implants and spoken language skills?
 
Mountain Man said:
I'll throw this out there:

I was at Walmart this afternoon with my family, and my kids kept themselves busy at the video game display while my wife shopped for food. There were some teenage girls playing the Wii, and my 5-year old Deaf son stood next to them and watched for a bit. I wasn't really paying attention, but a few minutes later I noticed he had the controller and was playing while they watched. When his round finished, he handed the controller to the girl next to him and patiently waited for his turn. When I walked over to them, he gave me a big grin and signed THREE-OF-US SHARE!

So somehow, without the benefit of speech, my son was able to negotiate turn-taking with two hearing girls. Does he really need cochlear implants and spoken language skills?
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I love that story! Thanks for sharing it!:ty:
 
Cloggy said:
Do you really need to drive a car? Fly a plane? Use electricity? Take digital pictures? Flush a toilet? Post on AllDeaf? - Off course not... It's a choice..

Does this child need heart surgery now or should we wait until it's old enough to make her/his own decision is another question
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Duh..deafness is NOT a life-threating condition like heart surgery. The comparision went wayyyy beyond apples and oranges. :roll:
 
Mountain Man said:
I'll throw this out there:

I was at Walmart this afternoon with my family, and my kids kept themselves busy at the video game display while my wife shopped for food. There were some teenage girls playing the Wii, and my 5-year old Deaf son stood next to them and watched for a bit. I wasn't really paying attention, but a few minutes later I noticed he had the controller and was playing while they watched. When his round finished, he handed the controller to the girl next to him and patiently waited for his turn. When I walked over to them, he gave me a big grin and signed THREE-OF-US SHARE!

So somehow, without the benefit of speech, my son was able to negotiate turn-taking with two hearing girls. Does he really need cochlear implants and spoken language skills?[/QUOTE]

To some audist, yes he does. To them, ASL does not equate to any spoken language.

However, I love your story and you are so right in all aspects about ASL being a language.
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Jiro said:
heart surgery....

is CI surgery a matter of life and death situation?
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Is heart surgery? If it can wait 'till the child is older... apparently not...
Why are you sooo eager to go to life/death situations... jeeeezzzz
 
Cloggy said:
Is heart surgery? If it can wait 'till the child is older... apparently not...
Why are you sooo eager to go to life/death situations... jeeeezzzz
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It was you who were equating life and death situations to deafness. CI implantation does not extend life expectancy. Heart surgery does.
 
shel90 said:
Mountain Man said:
I'll throw this out there:

I was at Walmart this afternoon with my family, and my kids kept themselves busy at the video game display while my wife shopped for food. There were some teenage girls playing the Wii, and my 5-year old Deaf son stood next to them and watched for a bit. I wasn't really paying attention, but a few minutes later I noticed he had the controller and was playing while they watched. When his round finished, he handed the controller to the girl next to him and patiently waited for his turn. When I walked over to them, he gave me a big grin and signed THREE-OF-US SHARE!

So somehow, without the benefit of speech, my son was able to negotiate turn-taking with two hearing girls. Does he really need cochlear implants and spoken language skills?[/QUOTE]

To some audist, yes he does. To them, ASL does not equate to any spoken language.

However, I love your story and you are so right in all aspects about ASL being a language.
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Great example... beautiful... No he doesn't...

Just after my daughter started to use speech, she said something we (me and my wife) couldn't understand.. She repeated and we didn't get it.... She persisted... Then she spoke and used her hands and signed "rain"...
Does she need CI?
Is she preferring to speak?
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Very interesting that a child will attempt speech alone based on the environment they are in, and then when it doesn't work, resort to sign in order to be understood. That says so much. Thanks for sharing that with us.
 
jillio said:
It was you who were equating life and death situations to deafness. CI implantation does not extend life expectancy. Heart surgery does.
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I have to agree with this. There is no comparison between getting a CI and heart surgery. Even if a heart surgery doesn't extend life expectancy (which it probably will), often (most) times heart surgery is a matter of life-or-death.
 
jillio said:
It was you who were equating life and death situations to deafness. CI implantation does not extend life expectancy. Heart surgery does.
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LOL... you now are stretching "life and death situations" to life expectancy....
Brilliant..... in a freaky way...

btw... where did I say that the heart surgery was life threatening..?? Lifeshortening..?? LOL....
 
Cloggy said:
Is heart surgery? If it can wait 'till the child is older... apparently not...
Why are you sooo eager to go to life/death situations... jeeeezzzz
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If my child needed heart surgery to save his/her life, I would get it.

If my child needed a CI to make him/her a better "hearing" person, nope I wouldnt get it.

No comparision at all between heart surgery and CI surgery. CI surgery is like plastic surgery, surgery that is not a necessity.
 
Cloggy said:
LOL... you now are stretching "life and death situations" to life expectancy....
Brilliant..... in a freaky way...

btw... where did I say that the heart surgery was life threatening..?? Lifeshortening..?? LOL....
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I'm going to blame your inability to understand that "life and death" is, by defination, "life expectancy" on the fact that English is not your first language.:cool2:
 
shel90 said:
If my child needed heart surgery to save his/her life, I would get it.

If my child needed a CI to make him/her a better "hearing" person, nope I wouldnt get it.

No comparision at all between heart surgery and CI surgery. CI surgery is like plastic surgery, surgery that is not a necessity.
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Exactly. It is an elective procedure. Heart surgery is a medically necessary procedure.
 
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Mountain Man said:
I'll throw this out there:

I was at Walmart this afternoon with my family, and my kids kept themselves busy at the video game display while my wife shopped for food. There were some teenage girls playing the Wii, and my 5-year old Deaf son stood next to them and watched for a bit. I wasn't really paying attention, but a few minutes later I noticed he had the controller and was playing while they watched. When his round finished, he handed the controller to the girl next to him and patiently waited for his turn. When I walked over to them, he gave me a big grin and signed THREE-OF-US SHARE!

So somehow, without the benefit of speech, my son was able to negotiate turn-taking with two hearing girls. Does he really need cochlear implants and spoken language skills?
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no one is trying to get you to implant your child. It is great that he has developed those skills. But why is it bad that my child CAN have a long, independant phone call with her grandparents or walk up to any kid at the park and easily and comfortably talk with them? I would never say that you are wrong for not implanting, so why do you insist we ARE wrong for doing it?
 
MM has never said anyone was wrong for implanting their child. He has simply corrected errors made in statements by parents who have implanted their children, and backed his corrections up with support.
 
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jillio said:
shel90 said:
If my child needed heart surgery to save his/her life, I would get it.

If my child needed a CI to make him/her a better "hearing" person, nope I wouldnt get it.

No comparision at all between heart surgery and CI surgery. CI surgery is like plastic surgery, surgery that is not a necessity.
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Exactly. It is an elective procedure. Heart surgery is a medically necessary procedure.
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if your child was born with cataracts? How about a cleft lip or club foot? Would you persue elective surgery for those?
 
faire_jour said:
I would never say that you are wrong for not implanting, so why do you insist we ARE wrong for doing it?
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When have I ever insisted you were wrong for going the CI route? I certainly think there are parents who do it for the wrong reasons, but I don't think the decision is wrong in and of itself.
 
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