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[bbaseballboy123]

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i agree with you grendel.

my child was very late implanted. She missed out on 5 years of access to spoken language. Because of that we have placed her in a very (spoken) language rich environment, so she can have have more exposure to the language she missed out on for all those years. If she had been implanted at one, our situation would be very different. She would have likely picked up spoken language easily and we would have probably placed her in an environment where she would be immersed in our other target language, ASL.

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[faire_jour]

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i don't know if you are being obtuse on purpose or just playing games. You know there is a difference between speech and spoken language.

I'm not playing games at all. Spoken language is speech. Without speech, there is no spoken lanugage.

If the goal is not speech, then there is no need for years of speech therapy. If you are demanding that your child receive speech therapy, then your goal is speech.

speech is the sounds that your mouth makes, language is the ideas behind the sounds. One can have excellent language and poor speech or poor language and excellent speech.

if you are doing articulation work in therapy, you would be focused on speech. If you are doing aural rehab, you would working on listening. If you are working on language, you would be focused on language. Slp's often work on all of them. But most often with CI kids, the work is listening and language, not articulation.

 

[jillio]

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i agree with you grendel.

my child was very late implanted. She missed out on 5 years of access to spoken language. Because of that we have placed her in a very (spoken) language rich environment, so she can have have more exposure to the language she missed out on for all those years. If she had been implanted at one, our situation would be very different. She would have likely picked up spoken language easily and we would have probably placed her in an environment where she would be immersed in our other target language, ASL.

Speech therapy as a part of the lives of deaf children differs in intensity between children using an HA and children using a CI. Perhaps you have missed all the posts in this forum that attest to that.

Oral only evironment demands that she not only learn through audition, but that she respond with speech.

So, you are saying that you would have put her in an ASL learning environment if she mastered oral language as a child? FJ, you are making less sense with every post you make.

 

[jillio]

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speech is the sounds that your mouth makes, language is the ideas behind the sounds. One can have excellent language and poor speech or poor language and excellent speech.

if you are doing articulation work in therapy, you would be focused on speech. If you are doing aural rehab, you would working on listening. If you are working on language, you would be focused on language. Slp's often work on all of them. But most often with CI kids, the work is listening and language, not articulation.

Twist it any way you want to to make yourself feel better, but spoken language is speech. Without speech, there is no spoken language. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try.

 

[faire_jour]

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i agree with you grendel.

my child was very late implanted. She missed out on 5 years of access to spoken language. Because of that we have placed her in a very (spoken) language rich environment, so she can have have more exposure to the language she missed out on for all those years. If she had been implanted at one, our situation would be very different. She would have likely picked up spoken language easily and we would have probably placed her in an environment where she would be immersed in our other target language, ASL.

Speech therapy as a part of the lives of deaf children differs in intensity between children using an HA and children using a CI. Perhaps you have missed all the posts in this forum that attest to that.

Oral only evironment demands that she not only learn through audition, but that she respond with speech.

So, you are saying that you would have put her in an ASL learning environment if she mastered oral language as a child? FJ, you are making less sense with every post you make.

why does that not make sense? We fully intend for our child to be bilingual in ASL and spoken and written English. It is very likely that she will be in ASL school for middle and high school.

 

[jillio]

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why does that not make sense? We fully intend for our child to be bilingual in ASL and spoken and written English. It is very likely that she will be in ASL school for middle and high school.

If you have to ask why it doesn't make sense, there isn't a chance at all that you would understand the explanation. You see, that's the problem. You obviously don't understand the consequences of your decisions.

 

[faire_jour]

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speech is the sounds that your mouth makes, language is the ideas behind the sounds. One can have excellent language and poor speech or poor language and excellent speech.

if you are doing articulation work in therapy, you would be focused on speech. If you are doing aural rehab, you would working on listening. If you are working on language, you would be focused on language. Slp's often work on all of them. But most often with CI kids, the work is listening and language, not articulation.

Twist it any way you want to to make yourself feel better, but spoken language is speech. Without speech, there is no spoken language. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try.

i'm not twisting anything. Do you really not understand? Articulation is the least important part of spoken language. That is like saying someone with a lisp or a person affected by a stroke has poor language simply because their speech is less intelligible. That is ridiculous.

 

[jillio]

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i'm not twisting anything. Do you really not understand? Articulation is the least important part of spoken language. That is like saying someone with a lisp or a person affected by a stroke has poor language simply because their speech is less intelligible. That is ridiculous.

Without speech there is no spoken language. This ain't rocket science, FJ.

 

[GrendelQ]

Twist it any way you want to to make yourself feel better, but spoken language is speech. Without speech, there is no spoken language. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try.

Speech is just one component of spoken language. In addition to speech (the expressive component), listening (receptive) and comprehension also come into play in order for someone to communicate using a spoken language. Knowing a spoken language is much more than being able to articulate words. Just as knowing English in written form is more than penmanship, there's the ability to read, and to comprehend and compose thoughts in the form of written language.

 

[Cloggy]

From what I've read here, 'all the speech therapy' and 'demands' on a child to speak were (and are) a large part of the lives of non-CI-using deaf children. That's not the case for my child. There's no speech therapy, no "demand" for her to speak: she does so naturally.

Same here. I have a child talking my head off, dancing, singing, learning signs.... No pressure..

 

[deafbajagal]

Out of curiosity, what does speech and language therapy entail for children who are using at least one implant? In my experience, it's hard finding a specialist who has the background and training needed...I wonder if parents had to face that obstacle as well. Many people associate speech therapy as speech training, but forget that language development is often supposed to be involved as well, especially for deaf and hh kids. To be honest, my current school where I teach do not provide adequate (imo) auditory training, even with kids who are implanted. This bothers me so much. Of course, when I brought it up, I got some dirty looks. I always felt that one of the biggest downsides of CIs in U.S. is that often the kids do not have appropriate and adequate training to get the full benefit of using them.

 

[faire_jour]

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Out of curiosity, what does speech and language therapy entail for children who are using at least one implant? In my experience, it's hard finding a specialist who has the background and training needed...I wonder if parents had to face that obstacle as well. Many people associate speech therapy as speech training, but forget that language development is often supposed to be involved as well, especially for deaf and hh kids. To be honest, my current school where I teach do not provide adequate (imo) auditory training, even with kids who are implanted. This bothers me so much. Of course, when I brought it up, I got some dirty looks. I always felt that one of the biggest downsides of CIs in U.S. is that often the kids do not have appropriate and adequate training to get the full benefit of using them.

we had a very good aural rehab specialist. She worked at the university as a professor, training and teaching slps. We did not however have good teachers and therapists at my daughter's school, hence the move.

at the bi-bi school, any work, even one on one during private therapy, on auditory skills was expressly forbidden.

at the oral program they did not use a developmental model, so if the child had language gaps, "oh well, they should have learned that in preschool".

neither was what we needed. Her school now groups by language and academic level, rather than age and the professionals are top notch.

It makes me sad that not every child has access to professionals like grendel and i (now) have.

 

[Cloggy]

Out of curiosity, what does speech and language therapy entail for children who are using at least one implant? In my experience, it's hard finding a specialist who has the background and training needed...I wonder if parents had to face that obstacle as well. Many people associate speech therapy as speech training, but forget that language development is often supposed to be involved as well, especially for deaf and hh kids. To be honest, my current school where I teach do not provide adequate (imo) auditory training, even with kids who are implanted. This bothers me so much. Of course, when I brought it up, I got some dirty looks. I always felt that one of the biggest downsides of CIs in U.S. is that often the kids do not have appropriate and adequate training to get the full benefit of using them.

For Lotte it's about Norwegian vocabulary building and grammar. Pronunciation is not a problem... It's using two languages at the same time - three when we include English - that makes her mix word order.... Also, since we speak Dutch at home, she misses out on some typical Norwegian language...
She loves to go there and play with the teacher... Impressing her with the speed she picks up stuff.

 

[deafbajagal]

What does the school do specifically to provide the training? One on one or integrated in the classroom?

 

[Cloggy]

What does the school do specifically to provide the training? One on one or integrated in the classroom?

Not the school.. The city provides for it and it's one on one...