Cochlear decison

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jillio said:
His position is clear. At least to me his position is clear; and I suspect to many others, as there are only 2 now that express an inability to understand his posts. He is demonstrating that CI hearing is not comparable to natural hearing, no matter how many parents claim it is. He is insuring that factual information is presented.
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I don't think anyone has said that 'CI hearing' is the same as typical hearing.
 
jillio said:
Well, if you are not able to connect to what her brain is processing, you are missing the most important facet of the experience of hearing.;)
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Just said that I do connect to what her brain is processing, just not through a device, as you suggest. We talk.
 
Mountain Man said:
Very briefly, my son is 5-years old and profoundly deaf. He wears hearing aids but only to give him access to environmental sounds. He theoretically has access to speech sounds, but he doesn't respond to them. My wife and I have been learning ASL for the past several years and use it at home when interacting with my son and his siblings along with some simultaneous communication (voicing and signing simultaneously) which my wife finds easier even though it technically puts the signs in the wrong order. Watching the kids communicating with each other in sign while they play is the cutest thing I've ever seen.

For language immersion, my son attends the local Deaf school which has an ASL-only voice-off program. His receptive skills are very good, but he does appear to have some expressive delays that we're looking in to.
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With his HAs and ASL skills, is he learning about on par with other 5 year olds, do you think? Does he learn stories and tell stories, that sort of thing?
 
GrendelQ said:
Just said that I do connect to what her brain is processing, just not through a device, as you suggest. We talk.
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Good try. Not the same as a first hand experience.;) You would have to be connected directly to her brain and experience it from a first hand perspective.
 
naisho said:
I'm not sure I comprehend your position. I understand the whole CI debate and the sentiments behind it, however are you implying that CI's need to be a 1:1 replica of natural hearing?

Most (if not all) synthetic replacements of human body parts aren't exacts of what they replaced, the point is that the users adapt to take advantage* of it.

* = advantage being a variable definition.
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I never said people couldn't gain benefit from CI. They obviously can. I was simply pointing out that Grendel was incorrect to say that her daughter can hear speech sounds with the same fidelity as a typical hearing person.
 
Banjo said:
Actually, you implied that it was better than natural hearing.
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No she didn't. You didn't pick up on the sarcasm.

Plus, she said specifically that it was NOT better to hear distant noises the same as close noises.
 
You know, I think the vast majority of us try and keep these discussions about children in general, devices in general, etc. There is a reason we do that. MM has always tried not to make these threads personal. I think it is innapropriate to ask him to do so. If he chooses to discuss his child, he can, and has, made a thread specifically toward that end.:ty:
 
Beach girl said:
No she didn't. You didn't pick up on the sarcasm.

Plus, she said specifically that it was NOT better to hear distant noises the same as close noises.
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Wow, you sure jumped the gun on this one. Besides, I did pick up on the sarcasm. However, you should be aware of the fact that sarcasm is often used as a defense mechanism.
 
Well, we were having a decent discussion regarding the CI and fidelity of hearing experience. But it looks like it is about to turn into another, "Hey, that's my friend! She didn't do that!" experience. Why, why, why does that always have to happen?

Beach girl, take it to PM and keep it out of the thread. If you would like to discuss the topic at hand, please do add your contributions. These defensive interruptions contribute nothing to the topic and are best kept private. :ty:
 
Mountain Man said:
I never said people couldn't gain benefit from CI. They obviously can. I was simply pointing out that Grendel was incorrect to say that her daughter can hear speech sounds with the same fidelity as a typical hearing person.
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Didn't say that. :cool2: Said this:

GrendelQ said:
She has 2 CIs through which she has full access to speech sounds at the levels of a typical hearing child ...
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Beach girl said:
With his HAs and ASL skills, is he learning about on par with other 5 year olds, do you think? Does he learn stories and tell stories, that sort of thing?
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To a degree, yes. He absolutely loves having stories read/signed to him, and he often tells me what's going to happen before I turn the page (if it's a book he's read before). Or sometimes if he's experienced something recently, he'll reenact it with minimal signs.
 
Banjo said:
This.
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This is not a good thing. This is what any kids with CIs find difficult in the classroom. This issue of a wall of noise has been frequently discussed.
 
GrendelQ said:
Didn't say that. :cool2: Said this:
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I'm honestly not seeing a difference between what you said and what I said you said.

"full access to speech sounds at the levels of a typical hearing child" = "can hear speech sounds with the same fidelity as a typical hearing person"

*shrug*
 
GrendelQ said:
Didn't say that. :cool2: Said this:
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Many people have access to dB levels that are considered "typical" through HAs, as well. That does not address fidelity nor discrimination. As I stated prior, if you are not connected to the brain, and how it processes something at a specific dB level and Hz, then you are missing the most important part of hearing.

Perception of sound is nothing more than noise. Sometimes that noise can be discriminated into useful information. Sometimes it can't. dB levels and Hz levels are basically useless for determining the usable nature of noise.
 
Mountain Man said:
I'm honestly not seeing a difference between what you said and what I said you said.

"full access to speech sounds at the levels of a typical hearing child" = "can hear speech sounds with the same fidelity as a typical hearing person"

*shrug*
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Maybe it's just me, but I think she is speaking of "sound perception", and you are speaking of "hearing". She is simply misusing the word "hearing". At least that is what the responses you are getting seem to indicate.
 
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