Cochlear decison

Status
Not open for further replies.
Wirelessly posted

jillio said:
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



nope, she doesn't. She was implanted very late, at age 5. So, instead of having to catch up one year, (like a child implanted young) she has a bigger hill to climb to become age appropriate in English. I have never denied that. She was 5 with the spoken language level of a toddler, of course it is going to take time to learn all the language she never had access to for all those years.

I can say that her english grammar has improved dramatically in the last two years as has her reading.
Click to expand...

So, then, you are contradicting yourself.:ty:
Click to expand...

not even close. I have not contradicted myself at all.
 
Wirelessly posted

jillio said:
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



it is about language and you know it. don't pretend you don't. Spoken language is expressed through speech, with by it's very nature is acoustic. Therefore the only way to have access to all of the information contained in it would be through audition.
Click to expand...

Like I said, it is about speech. It isn't about language. It is about speech.

But thanks for the confirmation.:ty:
Click to expand...

that is like saying that ASL is nothing but handshapes. Don't be ridiculous. That is one small part that makes up the language.
 
Wirelessly posted

jillio said:
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



it is about language and you know it. don't pretend you don't. Spoken language is expressed through speech, with by it's very nature is acoustic. Therefore the only way to have access to all of the information contained in it would be through audition.
Click to expand...

Like I said, it is about speech. It isn't about language. It is about speech.

But thanks for the confirmation.:ty:
Click to expand...

and what are you even arguing? Are you saying that spoken language is not best accessed through audition? That visual and tactile access to spoken language is more complete than auditory? Or are you simply trying to argue with me because it is me, rather than actually deal with the content of the post?
 
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



check out Cochlear Implant Online

there are there and speaking for themselves.
Click to expand...

:laugh2: You actually believe that is representative of the population as a whole?

Wasn't a teen who was so vocal about her positive experiences found to be paid by the implant industry for her so called "testimonials"?:cool2:
 
faire_jour said:
and what are you even arguing? Are you saying that spoken language is not best accessed through audition? That visual and tactile access to spoken language is more complete than auditory? Or are you simply trying to argue with me because it is me, rather than actually deal with the content of the post?
Click to expand...

It's how you are misrepresenting the concept of speech therapy. The concept itself was never designed to be used as a method of acquiring a language.
 
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



no it isn't. It is run by an adult (childhood implanted) CI user.
Click to expand...

Who is being paid by the sponsor, Cochlear, Inc. Come on, FJ. Stop avoiding the truth by not telling the whole story. If your position is so firm, you really shouldn't be afraid to state the truth.
 
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



no it isn't. It is run by an adult (childhood implanted) CI user.
Click to expand...

Obviously you are not aware of Rachel's history. She was paid to provide her testimonials. That's why she got the boot from the DeafRead aggregator site. I also have seen what Rachel's mother is like. She's just another manipulative and overzealous mother. Nothing new. I can certainly understand why Rachel is the way she is because of her mother.
 
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



and what are you even arguing? Are you saying that spoken language is not best accessed through audition? That visual and tactile access to spoken language is more complete than auditory? Or are you simply trying to argue with me because it is me, rather than actually deal with the content of the post?
Click to expand...

No, I am saying that your whole motive is SPEECH.

How, dear, do you explain the countless numbers of HA users falling into the severe to profound ranges that have developed excellent speech skills?
 
faire_jour said:
where are all the parents of early implanted kids that need therapy into their teens hiding? If it is so common place, why are they not here backing you up?
Click to expand...

Why would you expect them to be participants on this forum? That seems a rather odd criteria by which to judge the accuracy of my statements.

But since they're not here, maybe you would trust a source like the University of Miami School of Medicine?

Getting a cochlear implant is a lifetime commitment. After surgery, it is necessary to return to the center for a follow-up services, including the fitting of the external components of the implant; activating and programming of the implant and its microphone, speech processor and transmitter; necessary adjustments and reprogramming, and annual check-ups. Children who are implanted often require years of extensive aural rehabilitation whereas adults who have been implanted due to acquired deafness usually do not need formal aural rehabilitation.

FAQ -- Cochlear Implants -- University of Miami School of Medicine​

And just for fun, here's a quote from the Children's Hearing Institute that uses the word "intensive". Let's see Rick jump all over them for employing "scare tactics" :roll::

Children implanted early, who do not have other significant development disabilities and who receive intensive post-implantation speech, language and listening therapy, may acquire age appropriate speech, language, developmental and social skills.

The Children´s Hearing Institute -- Frequently Asked Questions About Hearing Loss​

And these are both organizations that promote cochlear implants, so you can't accuse them of having an anti-cochlear implant agenda.
 
With the advent of emailing and texting - Spoken language will be a thing of past in the workplace.
 
jillio said:
No, I am saying that your whole motive is SPEECH.

How, dear, do you explain the countless numbers of HA users falling into the severe to profound ranges that have developed excellent speech skills?
Click to expand...

I was one of those HA users who has excellent speech. I got my CI at 41.
 
deafskeptic said:
I dunno about that but let's hope you're right.
Click to expand...

Online ordering, delivery, even grocery stores are going online.

Executives mostly do email these days. Corporations are switching to work @ home solutions to save money.

As we are going international, more and more things will become internet based. Everything, down to the production line. Ford has a production line that looks like your local taco bell system. Everything is on the computer and it tells you what part to put on which car, so you just slap it onto the robot. No need to talk.

I asked about a corporate executive job and asked what it was like, dude was like "Bro, you can do it. at least 80% of the job is email based"
 
Wirelessly posted

jillio said:
faire_jour said:
Wirelessly posted



no it isn't. It is run by an adult (childhood implanted) CI user.
Click to expand...

Who is being paid by the sponsor, Cochlear, Inc. Come on, FJ. Stop avoiding the truth by not telling the whole story. If your position is so firm, you really shouldn't be afraid to state the truth.
Click to expand...

i do not believe she is being paid for her website or her views. I disagree with you. I believe her.
 
Wirelessly posted

Banjo said:
faire_jour said:
and what are you even arguing? Are you saying that spoken language is not best accessed through audition? That visual and tactile access to spoken language is more complete than auditory? Or are you simply trying to argue with me because it is me, rather than actually deal with the content of the post?
Click to expand...

It's how you are misrepresenting the concept of speech therapy. The concept itself was never designed to be used as a method of acquiring a language.
Click to expand...

no one said it is. The child acquires language by being immersed in it all their waking hours, not an hour a week in an office.
 
jillio said:
No, it is talking AT your child. It is parent directed. It is totallly opposite of the way a child is meant to acquire language. And that fact holds implications not just for future language use, but also for negative impact on the parent/child relationship.
Click to expand...

And you know this because, what, you were there to observe the interactions between us and our daughter?

Sorry honey but just because you tried but could not do it does not give you the right to take it out on those of us that could.

Maybe you only dwell upon the negatives of the parent/child relationship because you are looking in the mirror too much.

Regardless of whether a child is deaf or hearing a constant that I have observed is that parents and children who have maintained good relationships with each other from infancy through adulthood have communicated with, not at, each other.

I have yet to meet the perfect parent and God knows its not me but I have met many parents who take their roles as parents seriously and strive to build relationships with their children. I tip my hat to them. I would rather help them up then knock them down as you so often do.
Rick
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top