Cochlear decison

[Banjo]

MM is referring to internal repetiveness...with the individual activities themselves.:roll: And he is absolutely correct. They are repetitive and directive.

Yeah, I find it amusing how people are so determined to represent it as something else. Speech therapy is speech therapy and it is always going to be repetitive. I don't think anything has changed in the last couple years.

 

[faire_jour]

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i said that my daughter spoken with inappropriate grammar when she was first learning spoken English, yes. And that would have been back when she was still a new implant user and in an ASL environment. So, no that wouldn't be the result of a spoken language program.

So, honestly, she now has appropriate grammar usage as compared to a hearing child of the same age, and is producing spontaneous and appropriate spoken language without any direction at all? Remember, I said "honestly".

nope, she doesn't. She was implanted very late, at age 5. So, instead of having to catch up one year, (like a child implanted young) she has a bigger hill to climb to become age appropriate in English. I have never denied that. She was 5 with the spoken language level of a toddler, of course it is going to take time to learn all the language she never had access to for all those years.

I can say that her english grammar has improved dramatically in the last two years as has her reading.

 

[Mountain Man]

it is not repeatative. Why do you not understand that? Each time it is a different activity, with the same goal, but done in different ways. Another game with the same goal could be putting together mr. Potato head. The therapist would ask the child to hand them a specific part with two critical elements embedded within a phrase. Same goal, different words and different game.

They're still repetitive actives. But now I feel like you're just splitting hairs in order to get away from the real point:

Speech therapy, with very few exceptions, is necessary for children with cochlear implants with the majority of children needing it far beyond the idealized "3 to 5 years" that you're claiming, and if Cvtorres is to help his family make an informed decision then he needs to know this. You, Rick, and Grendel presenting romanticized anecdotes is doing him a disservice.

 

[drphil]

I wondering what did I missed not being in Speech Therapy since Implantation July 12, 2007? I don't recall being classified at Sunnybrook/Toronto as "functional illiterate" either.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[jillio]

Yeah, I find it amusing how people are so determined to represent it as something else. Speech therapy is speech therapy and it is always going to be repetitive. I don't think anything has changed in the last couple years.

Of course not. It is just an attempt to portray differently than what it actually is. When it comes down to brass tacks, it is the same as it always has been. It appears, though, that parents who place children in oral environments have a need to portray it as something different so they can ignore the reality of what is going on and justify their decisions. It would be so much better if they were just able to say, "I know it is the same and it has not been effective in the past, but I am hoping my child will be the one in a million exception and I am willing to take the risks." Now that would be honest.

 

[drphil]

I wondering what did I missed not being in Speech Therapy since Implantation July 12, 2007? I don't recall being classified at Sunnybrook/Toronto as "functional illiterate" either.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[jillio]

I wondering what did I missed not being in Speech Therapy since Implantation July 12, 2007? I don't recall being classified at Sunnybrook/Toronto as "functional illiterate" either.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

You are not a child. You are an old man.

 

[Banjo]

I wondering what did I missed not being in Speech Therapy since Implantation July 12, 2007? I don't recall being classified at Sunnybrook/Toronto as "functional illiterate" either.

You must think the world revolves around you.

 

[jillio]

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speech is an acoustic event. All the information to discriminate all of spoken language is contained within the sounds of the language. The information is not available 100% through visual means, nor through tactile input. Therefore, the easiest and most complete way to learn an auditory language would be through audition.

So, once again, it is all about speech. It isn't about language development. It is about speech.

 

[faire_jour]

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it is not repeatative. Why do you not understand that? Each time it is a different activity, with the same goal, but done in different ways. Another game with the same goal could be putting together mr. Potato head. The therapist would ask the child to hand them a specific part with two critical elements embedded within a phrase. Same goal, different words and different game.

They're still repetitive actives. But now I feel like you're just splitting hairs in order to get away from the real point:

Speech therapy, with very few exceptions, is necessary for children with cochlear implants with the majority of children needing it far beyond the idealized "3 to 5 years" that you're claiming, and if Cvtorres is to help his family make an informed decision then he needs to know this. You, Rick, and Grendel presenting romanticized anecdotes is doing him a disservice.

where are all the parents of early implanted kids that need therapy into their teens hiding? If it is so common place, why are they not here backing you up?

 

[jillio]

I wondering what did I missed not being in Speech Therapy since Implantation July 12, 2007? I don't recall being classified at Sunnybrook/Toronto as "functional illiterate" either.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Was it necessary to post this twice? But, excellent example of repetiveness.

 

[Jiro]

You must think the world swims around you.

fixed it for you.

 

[jillio]

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where are all the parents of early implanted kids that need therapy into their teens hiding? If it is so common place, why are they not here backing you up?

Do you really need to ask that question? They are the same place that the parents of implanted kids are that refuse to participate in survey research regarding their child's success.:roll:

 

[Banjo]

where are all the parents of early implanted kids that need therapy into their teens hiding? If it is so common place, why are they not here backing you up?

... and where are all of the teenagers to back you up?

 

[Banjo]

fixed it for you.

 

[jillio]

... and where are all of the teenagers to back you up?

Looking for the Deaf community and taking ASL classes. Wait...we have one of them posting here about her hate for continuing speech therapy!

 

[faire_jour]

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speech is an acoustic event. All the information to discriminate all of spoken language is contained within the sounds of the language. The information is not available 100% through visual means, nor through tactile input. Therefore, the easiest and most complete way to learn an auditory language would be through audition.

So, once again, it is all about speech. It isn't about language development. It is about speech.

it is about language and you know it. don't pretend you don't. Spoken language is expressed through speech, with by it's very nature is acoustic. Therefore the only way to have access to all of the information contained in it would be through audition.

 

[jillio]

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nope, she doesn't. She was implanted very late, at age 5. So, instead of having to catch up one year, (like a child implanted young) she has a bigger hill to climb to become age appropriate in English. I have never denied that. She was 5 with the spoken language level of a toddler, of course it is going to take time to learn all the language she never had access to for all those years.

I can say that her english grammar has improved dramatically in the last two years as has her reading.

So, then, you are contradicting yourself.

 

[jillio]

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it is about language and you know it. don't pretend you don't. Spoken language is expressed through speech, with by it's very nature is acoustic. Therefore the only way to have access to all of the information contained in it would be through audition.

Like I said, it is about speech. It isn't about language. It is about speech.

But thanks for the confirmation.

 

[faire_jour]

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where are all the parents of early implanted kids that need therapy into their teens hiding? If it is so common place, why are they not here backing you up?

... and where are all of the teenagers to back you up?

check out www.cochlearimplantonline.com

there are there and speaking for themselves.