Cochlear decison

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Mountain Man said:
It's a common enough term that I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's used by audiologists to describe deaf children who never learn effective verbal communication.
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Hmm, I've heard of the term :) , I said I didn't know how you were using it: some consider a child with HAs or CIs at a school for the deaf to be considered an "oral failure." It's not an audiological term. I also don't think it's a meaningful term, myself. Would you really classify anyone who uses ASL or prefers written English to spoken English to be an "oral failure" ? That seems like an awfully biased way of looking at communication.
 
Would you call a hearing person a deaf failure? :hmm:
 
It's a common enough term that I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. It's used by audiologists to describe deaf children who never learn effective verbal communication.

My deaf brother has been called that one toooooo many times all of our lives.
 
CI surgery does involve the risks.

Look at Mathew Fowler, for example.

The Ugly Truth of CI – Open Captions (Thanks to Seek Geo) «

Someone posted about another Deaf guy had his CI removed due to a toxic molded CI magnet.

My friend posted a status on FB about her friend and her son sued a CI company to pay for their CIs removed to a rare genetic disorder. CI almost killed her son, so thus, doctors saved his life.

Another friend recently posted a status on FB: "her friend told her that her friend was finally happy because her doctors removed her Cochlear implant after she learned that her doctor mentioned to her that she had a bad toxic. She paid $80,000 for ii by herself. Her doctors really saved her life! WoW."


Now, do you think CIs are successful??? Come on and give me a break.

I am proud to be an oral failure. ASL is a true language for Deaf community. If you don't like this, then get lost.
 
Oddball said:
CI surgery does involve the risks.

Look at Mathew Fowler, for example.

The Ugly Truth of CI – Open Captions (Thanks to Seek Geo) «

Someone posted about another Deaf guy had his CI removed due to a toxic molded CI magnet.

My friend posted a status on FB about her friend and her son sued a CI company to pay for their CIs removed to a rare genetic disorder. CI almost killed her son, so thus, doctors saved his life.

Another friend recently posted a status on FB: "her friend told her that her friend was finally happy because her doctors removed her Cochlear implant after she learned that her doctor mentioned to her that she had a bad toxic. She paid $80,000 for ii by herself. Her doctors really saved her life! WoW."


Now, do you think CIs are successful??? Come on and give me a break.

I am proud to be an oral failure. ASL is a true language for Deaf community. If you don't like this, then get lost.
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Way to go being an oral failure! Love ya!!!! :wave:
 
shel90 said:
Way to go being an oral failure! Love ya!!!! :wave:
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:wave: I knew that my speech is not that perfect and not even close to a natural hearing. But who cares?

For pro CI audists, fuck you. :shock:
 
yikes. I guess you all hate me then? I'm far from "oral failure" since i talk like any other hearing person.

Would you not hate me if i told you guys im taking asl classes in 7 days?
 
bbaseballboy123 said:
yikes. I guess you all hate me then? I'm far from "oral failure" since i talk like any other hearing person.

Would you not hate me if i told you guys im taking asl classes in 7 days?
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Nobody hate you.
 
Mountain Man said:
... even then "oral failures" are more common than the "experts" are willing to admit.
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You said that "oral failures" are more common than experts admit and that "oral failure" as you see it is a term for "deaf children who never learn effective verbal communication." I think that considering someone an "oral failure" just because he or she can't or won't use verbal communication effectively, however you measure that, is a pretty unfortunate view, and I'm surprised to see that come from someone like you, who -- I thought -- views ASL as an equal to English.
 
GrendelQ said:
You said that "oral failures" are more common than experts admit and that "oral failure" as you see it is a term for "deaf children who never learn effective verbal communication." I think that considering someone an "oral failure" just because he or she can't or won't use verbal communication effectively, however you measure that, is a pretty unfortunate view, and I'm surprised to see that come from someone like you, who -- I thought -- views ASL as an equal to English.
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two completely separate points here. I have friends who work at the state schools for the deaf who COMPLAINS about the oral failures, and the mainstream failures that they have to deal with.....

Its not an English or ASL thing. Last I checked "oral" isn't a language. It's an educational approach failure. The one that hearing people profess that are good for the deaf.
 
GrendelQ said:
You said that "oral failures" are more common than experts admit and that "oral failure" as you see it is a term for "deaf children who never learn effective verbal communication." I think that considering someone an "oral failure" just because he or she can't or won't use verbal communication effectively, however you measure that, is a pretty unfortunate view, and I'm surprised to see that come from someone like you, who -- I thought -- views ASL as an equal to English.
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It' not coming from him - he's quoting "experts" who say that.
 
DeafCaroline said:
It' not coming from him - he's quoting "experts" who say that.
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I was surprised to see him use it, and had asked him what the term meant to him, and that's the answer he gave.
 
GrendelQ said:
I was surprised to see him use it, and had asked him what the term meant to him, and that's the answer he gave.
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Not that surprising to hear deafies quote what hearing people say and use their terms to show how offensive and biased such terms can be. He said audiologist would use that term and you replied with "it's not an audiological term" - of course it's not, professionally speaking, but they do use it. That's his point.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Not that surprising to hear deafies quote what hearing people say and use their terms to show how offensive and biased such terms can be. He said audiologist would use that term and you replied with "it's not an audiological term" - of course it's not, professionally speaking, but they do use it. That's his point.
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I think this is his point ("... even then "oral failures" are more common than the "experts" are willing to admit.") . He's using the term, himself. He later described it as a common term, even used by audiologists, when I asked what it meant to him, surprised that he would use such an offensive term.

Mountain Man said:
... even then "oral failures" are more common than the "experts" are willing to admit.
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GrendelQ said:
I think this is his point ("... even then "oral failures" are more common than the "experts" are willing to admit.") . He's using the term, himself. He later described it as a common term, even used by audiologists, when I asked what it meant to him, surprised that he would use such an offensive term.
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He put them in apostrophe marks, so the words are not his own.
 
GrendelQ said:
I think this is his point, and he's using the term, himself. He later described it as a common term, even used by audiologists, when I asked what it meant to him, surprised that he would use such an offensive term.
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if you were deaf like us, you wouldn't find it surprising at all. how can we talk about something if we don't refer to the term that started the discussion? that's called whitewashing and denial. It's best to confront it head on instead of pretending it doesn't exist by not using terms that hearing people do use.

It's not up to you to decide what's offensive for deaf people to quote terms used to describe deaf people.
 
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