CI story by Frances Parsons

I remember Frances from when we were at Gallaudet a thousand years ago; she was a pretty neat lady!
 
Tousi said:
I remember Frances from when we were at Gallaudet a thousand years ago; she was a pretty neat lady!
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Were you trying to tell us that you were busted at the beach with her by the cops?
 
rick48 said:
Having raised a ci child, I understand the comment in the context in which it was made. That is, once oral language kicks in, it does indeed make family life easier. Some examples: I can talk to my daughter from different rooms, from different floors. She uses the telephone constantly.

As for taking the easy way out, I wish you could have spent a week with my wife when out daughter was first implanted, you wouldn't have lasted two days!
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neecy said:
Yes that IS a dumb thing to say - and YOU are the only one saying it!!!!!

Re-read the posts - the point of the discussion is that parents are often worried that their children will encounter more dangers from the environment than those who can hear, as a result of their deafness.

NOBODY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ALIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEAF!!

Get a grip, for heaven's sakes, and READ the posts before you reply - you're making yourself look foolish with this kind of commentary!
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Actually, I think he was being sarcastic. I can understand where he is coming from cuz there r times I feel like making sarcastic and stupid comments. Many of us grew up listening to people say Deaf can't this or that or it is better to be hearing. It makes us feel inferior or that people see us as inferior. Using the example of Miss Deaf was a low blow cuz what really happened was more of lack of common sense more than cuz of her deafness. Even hearing people get killed walking on train tracks but I people will still think that her deafness killed her so I am not even gonna bother arguing about it. It gets tiresome listening to people associate deafness to bad things. Maybe that's why many of us react negatively to CIs or the oral views cuz they symbolize deafness as a bad thing..who knows?
 
neecy said:
After all, wasn't Miss Deaf Texas killed by a train while she walked along the tracks because she couldn't hear it blowing its whistle at her to try to get her off the tracks?
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Don't you know even some people who can hear also get killed by trains?
 
PuyoPiyo said:
So parents expect their children to work so hard, getting through the surgery, forced to learning the oral through the CI which are not easy as hearing person, etc etc etc.

It is very true that it is only easy for parents to go out of it, Deaf258.
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Well said. The easy way for the parent is not always the easy way for the child.
 
Tousi said:
It makes me wonder about ANYBODY, deaf or hearing who would walk on train tracks, especially and more so if one is deaf. I don't understand that behavior.
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Point one. Got nothun to do with being deaf.
 
R2D2 said:
Maybe because they worry about their children's safety? Like walking on the road and stuff? I posted a link of some research from Gallaudet in the parents' thread which said that this was one of the main worries that parents' had of their children not being able to hear.

I think that we are more visual and that sort of compensates (I reckon deaf drivers are better than hearing ones!), but still, not having sound from a safety point of view can be an disadvantage.
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No child has any business walking on a busy road--deaf or hearing. Same with train tracks. More likely its a problem with parents who don't like to have to put in the extra effort to go over to a child who can't hear you when they are called.
 
Wow, some of you people should be ashamed of yourself here, you guys have no clue what it like to walk a miles in our shoes, I am sickened by the ignorance of some people here, we do not depend on our hearing to avoid danger, deaf people do not have many distraction by outside noises such as music, traffic, dog barking, children laughing and playing, lawn motor noises, etc ( I could go on and on by listing many outdoor noises but I think most of you got my point here ) and deaf people tends to focus more because they use their eyes more instead of hearing, you people should check statics before making such a judgment on this issue about danger...I've heard some hearing people saying a deaf person can not hear the sound of a smoke detector going off in case there's a fire, and they shouldn't live alone, sheesh :rme: also claiming that deaf people can not drive because they can't hear the horns or the traffic noises etc....It seems to me that they're always going to find excuses of the danger not being able to hear ...What wrong with their eyes? isn't that enough to keep them out of danger?...There are many ways you can teach your deaf children the danger , they need to pay more attention of what is around them and focus more by using their eyes before going across the street etc...Like I said in another thread, what is important is that we know our own abilities and our willingness to try our best to make the most of each day, and we won't let our deafness stop us from anything...
 
jillio said:
No child has any business walking on a busy road--deaf or hearing. Same with train tracks. More likely its a problem with parents who don't like to have to put in the extra effort to go over to a child who can't hear you when they are called.
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Exactly, that's what it looks like to me....
 
neecy said:
Yes that IS a dumb thing to say - and YOU are the only one saying it!!!!!

Re-read the posts - the point of the discussion is that parents are often worried that their children will encounter more dangers from the environment than those who can hear, as a result of their deafness.

NOBODY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ALIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEAF!!

Get a grip, for heaven's sakes, and READ the posts before you reply - you're making yourself look foolish with this kind of commentary!
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And You're making yourself look foolish with a temper tantrums that you just threw on your post there. :Ohno:
 
Angel said:
Wow, some of you people should be ashamed of yourself here, you guys have no clue what it like to walk a miles in our shoes, I am sickened by the ignorance of some people here, we do not depend on our hearing to avoid danger, deaf people do not have many distraction by outside noises such as music, traffic, dog barking, children laughing and playing, lawn motor noises, etc ( I could go on and on by listing many outdoor noises but I think most of you got my point here ) and deaf people tends to focus more because they use their eyes more instead of hearing, you people should check statics before making such a judgment on this issue about danger...I've heard some hearing people saying a deaf person can not hear the sound of a smoke detector going off in case there's a fire, and they shouldn't live alone, sheesh :rme: also claiming that deaf people can not drive because they can't hear the horns or the traffic noises etc....It seems to me that they're always going to find excuses of the danger not being able to hear ...What wrong with their eyes? isn't that enough to keep them out of danger?...There are many ways you can teach your deaf children the danger , they need to pay more attention of what is around them and focus more by using their eyes before going across the street etc...Like I said in another thread, what is important is that we know our own abilities and our willingness to try our best to make the most of each day, and we won't let our deafness stop us from anything...
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And they wonder why they feel unwelcome sometimes...we want to welcome them with open arms but to say stuff like that makes it hard. Respect is a two way street.
 
R2D2 said:
Maybe because they worry about their children's safety? Like walking on the road and stuff?
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Of course, it is normal for parents to worry about their children's safety but however when they're going across a busy street, the parents should stay close and make sure they hold their child's hand when crossing the street, a parent will go to great lengths to keep a protective shield around a child whether the child is deaf or hearing, doing whatever is necessary to keep a child from danger....It's the parents' job to teach their children how to cross the street safely when alone and even hearing children do get hit by a car too not only deaf children.....
 
shel90 said:
And they wonder why they feel unwelcome sometimes...we want to welcome them with open arms but to say stuff like that makes it hard. Respect is a two way street.
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I agree...
 
Cheri said:
And You're making yourself look foolish with a temper tantrums that you just threw on your post there. :Ohno:
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I will admit that this guy gets a rise out of me - which is probably what he wants to do, when he continuously plays the devil's advocate on every issue. My fault for taking the bait, instead of ignoring the comments he makes. Live and learn.
 
neecy said:
Yes that IS a dumb thing to say - and YOU are the only one saying it!!!!!

Re-read the posts - the point of the discussion is that parents are often worried that their children will encounter more dangers from the environment than those who can hear, as a result of their deafness.

NOBODY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ALIVE BECAUSE YOU ARE DEAF!!

Get a grip, for heaven's sakes, and READ the posts before you reply - you're making yourself look foolish with this kind of commentary!
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Honey, please go take a Midol pill.

Of course I am the only one saying it because I feel that I am the only one who have the real guts to say what's on his/her mind! I was being sarcastic and the same time making a statement. I have read the above posts and think the parents are just overly paranoid. Look at the other Deaf adults who don't wear hearing aids or CIs. We're still alive and kicking.

For the parents to think their d/Deaf children are doomed to death and danger just because of a hearing loss is simply Audistic, idiotic and absurd!

Again, I think parents just want to use excuses for why they feel justified to put CIs in their d/Deaf children. After all, it is perfectly understandable parents don't want to make mistakes with decisions while raising their kids.
 
Can anyone explain me why can it be dangerous for being deaf? I have been deaf whole my life, and never been got in danger because of my deafness.

*Deaf are lack in driving is wrong. Government already proofed Deaf are better at driving than the hearing people.

*Deaf people could get hit by car more than the hearing people is wrong. Deaf people use their visuality and have more visuality abilities compared to hearing person and will notice the car faster.

*Deaf people could die by unable to call 911 is wrong. Deaf people can use the TTY.

*Deaf people could get lower education compare to hearing people is wrong. Then why I have a diploma exactly same with hearing people graduated from the high school as I do?

more you can bring up how dangerous to be deaf in the world, I will elimate them and proof they are wrong.
 
Well I am a CIer and a successful implantee at that. My last hearing evaluation shows that I am now hearing at the 30DB range.

However, do I believe in implanting children NO! I believe the implant is a highly personal and agonizing choice to make. I did not just one day wake up and say hey I cant hear anymore, Im going to get a CI. It took me 9 months to even start thinking of a CI, then once I decided to see if I can qualify for an implant, it took me another 3 months just to get to the point where I decided the potential outwieghed the risks.

Now, I know I am gonna get bashed for this statement. BUT, I still wonder many many times, how many of these parents are implanting children so that the child can fit into THEIR world, instead of the parents fitting into the child's world.

I still believe, even after my own implant that it should be the child's choice to make. I still believe that a child should be allowed to grow and form its own identity. The child was born deaf, then oh my god what can we do? Get answers, ask questions, oh lets implant. I know its not that easy of a decision but when your implanting these children IT IS IN MY OPINION you took away that childs right to choose who he/she wants to be.

OFC a child is gonna love the implant, when they were too young to remember what it was like being deaf. They have no clue that this wasnt who or what they were in the beginning. Sure a child may have no hearing at night, if they take the processor off. But really if all a child knows is wow I can hear before they are even old enough to know they couldnt? Then what choice did they have but to like the CI?

A child SHOULD be allowed to chose what it wants to be. Deaf OR CI *psuedo hearing*.

I know many of you will disagree with this. And hey thats fine too, we are all allowed to have an opinion.

Am I saying all of you are like this? NO, Im not. Im saying oh I am sure there are some parents doing this. And you may argue against that. But I have run across many parents in my lifetime that dont give a rats ass about their children only themselves. So yeah, I am sure there are a FEW parents out there who is *changing* that child to fit them.

Most of you are implanting your children trying to do what you think is best. Should you be brought down for that? I dont think so. All I ask is for you to think hard about what your real reasons are for implanting that child.

Many of you think that you cannot be successful unless you can hear. That is crap! I am now and always was a success as a person, and as a friend, and in the work place. I have achieved much of what I was told I could not as a deaf person. You do not need to speak or hear to be a success as a person or in the workplace. Sure, its a little harder, but teach that child not to take NO for an answer, that child will know success.

These children are being taught that they need to hear to survive in this world. Not by words, but by actions. In the future your children may come here and share their experiences, or they may come here and be disgusted at the fact that they were made into a *psuedo hearing* child.

Let's face it. I am an implantee. Are we now hearing? Hell NO! I know true hearing and a CI is not that. It allows you to hear well, but certainly nothing even close to what a hearing person hears. Which is why I say *psuedo hearing*.

There can be many studies and articles showing the pros and cons to a CI and to not implant. But honestly are we gonna change either side by posting on a message board? I think not! Pro-Ciers are always gonna be just that pro-ci. Anti-CI is always gonna be just that Anti-Ci.

You can argue the points all you want. You can try to keep shoving your views down each others throats. But really isnt it getting tiring to do this by now? This is not educating. This is saying IM right your wrong on both sides of the fence. IF any one wants to educate. The best way to do this is to show how a CI has helped you personally. Not from some article about some unknown school or person. But from within. And the same goes for a d/Deaf person. If you want to educate about why an implant in children is wrong in your opinion. The best thing you could do is write from within and show us your experiences growing up as a deaf child.

Yes, I have stated my opinions here as well. I did this for a reason though. I want to show that there are some CIers out there who doesnt feel the same as the majority. I wanted to show that a successful implantee, can be seperate from the majority opinion. And lastly, I wanted to show that there was a CIer who doesnt feel the need to be a what I like to call CI radical.


Thank you,
Bear
 
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