CI soon...CI friendly only please

I believe if the person has the same implant model as another and they switch, they can hear from their processor. I have read some people have tried this out of curiosity or as a mistake. It doesn't mean that they will hear well with theirs because people have individual mappings for that specific person. This is not recommended, of course. I think the CI's that won't work is if you use Nucleus implant with a Clarion processor.
 
sr171soars said:
Er, actually you really can't use somebody else's processor without the help of an audi. Reason is simple at least for Cochlear and I assume it is true for the other two companies...they put an id code in the process to recognize the individual implant for this very purpose. This is another way of saying that your processor is set for your specific implant. Each implant has an identification number which a processor will recognize before using it. If it doesn't match, it won't work. The reason you need the help of an audi is that they can reprogram it to recognize a different implant.

I'm not so sure about matching up different manufacturer's implants to processors but I'm sure the processor is programmed to work with only it's type.

So, if you put on a processor and it just won't work...check and see if it belongs to somebody else.... :whistle:
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actually if it is same brand and it will work but it may be way off and cause discomfort.

if a person has a AB and put on my AB on his, he may be wheeling back with discomfort because my mapping may be too much for him or too less.

so it has to be reprogrammed with his own mapping sets. that's all.

a BTE or BWP does not look for id code in person's implant to enable. nope.

if I found a processor and it is a AB then I put on and it will WORK but I will get discomfort if it is mapped higher than mine. or "out of key"

talk to your audie about that again ;)
 
ClearSky said:
I believe if the person has the same implant model as another and they switch, they can hear from their processor. I have read some people have tried this out of curiosity or as a mistake. It doesn't mean that they will hear well with theirs because people have individual mappings for that specific person. This is not recommended, of course. I think the CI's that won't work is if you use Nucleus implant with a Clarion processor.
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correct
 
Boult said:
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talk to your audie about that again ;)
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Er...that is the trouble...I did early on and she said it won't work switching processors at least with Cochlear Freedom. She empathatically told I just couldn't do it. It would have to be reprogrammed. Maybe that isn't true for AB or Med-El...I don't know but I do know that it is true for the Freedom. The main reason they did this is for the reason R2D2 spoke of...prevention of using another's processor (Freedom) by mistake.
 
sr171soars said:
Er...that is the trouble...I did early on and she said it won't work switching processors at least with Cochlear Freedom. She empathatically told I just couldn't do it. It would have to be reprogrammed. Maybe that isn't true for AB or Med-El...I don't know but I do know that it is true for the Freedom. The main reason they did this is for the reason R2D2 spoke of...prevention of using another's processor (Freedom) by mistake.
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I think your audie don't want you to think you can try it at all.. regardless

but really, you should not try someone's bte or bwp of same brand because you do not want to hurt yourself if someone's mapping is set higher than yours. never know.

but the way you describe sounded far fetched.. CI is not like a door and key logic to make it work. we have been told not to share processor to avoid over-stimulation. that's all.

If you and I have same processor, I would turn the volume all the way down and put it on then turn a little up and I will hear but I will not hear the same way I hear in my own processor because your map and my map is not calibrated due to various setting beside the frequency setting in the map. ie: RF.

same thing can be true for digital hearing aid because it is programmed for one's ear than other's.



What R2D2 said "don't swap or it will over-stimulate you" but you say it won't work if swap because it will not function due to id. both of you has freedom.

all ci makers says the same thing "don't swap or it will over-stimulate (in other case, under-stimulate) you"
 
Boult said:
I think your audie don't want you to think you can try it at all.. regardless

but really, you should not try someone's bte or bwp of same brand because you do not want to hurt yourself if someone's mapping is set higher than yours. never know.

but the way you describe sounded far fetched.. CI is not like a door and key logic to make it work. we have been told not to share processor to avoid over-stimulation. that's all.

If you and I have same processor, I would turn the volume all the way down and put it on then turn a little up and I will hear but I will not hear the same way I hear in my own processor because your map and my map is not calibrated due to various setting beside the frequency setting in the map. ie: RF.

same thing can be true for digital hearing aid because it is programmed for one's ear than other's.



What R2D2 said "don't swap or it will over-stimulate you" but you say it won't work if swap because it will not function due to id. both of you has freedom.

all ci makers says the same thing "don't swap or it will over-stimulate (in other case, under-stimulate) you"
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I have no interest in trying anybody else's processor anyway and therefore a moot point for me. I agree that some things are often said just "because" without giving all the rationale behind it. Let me try one last time by showing something from the Freedom's user manual...if that doesn't convince or explain any better then I say let's quit discussing it for now... In the meanwhile, I will track down the definitive statement to put this whole thing to a rest.

Your Freedom speech processor stores your first name, last
name, implant family, MAP identifier and recipient identifier.
This allows you to
• attend another clinic for programming, when you wish
• identify a speech processor as your own.
Access to this information occurs when the clinician opens
the program. That is, it is only able to be accessed in a
programming session.I have found this information

I was told that the implant itself has an identifier on it which the processor checks against what is in its program which is how it knows whether or not it is the correct implant. If you will, it is an electronic handshake to confirm all is well. I don't see why this would be difficult to believe.

As for the warning for not trying to switch processors, perhaps nothing is guaranteed in life and things do happen...so safer than sorry by not "trying" something that may serious conseqences...
 
Yeah but that identifier does not prevent wearer from trying someone else' processor. *shrug* it is like a microchip for dog you know? to find out who it belong to by having the audie attach the processor to computer and look up the indentifer and it give details. It is theft deterrence. * shrug*

but not a electronic handshake between processor and implant. :)

Again, trying on someone's process WILL NOT AFFECT THE processor itself but will sour someone's auditory nerve hmm...
 
Boult said:
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but not a electronic handshake between processor and implant. :)

Again, trying on someone's process WILL NOT AFFECT THE processor itself but will sour someone's auditory nerve hmm...
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*Sigh* Talking about cross purposes here...

I never say anything about effecting the processor itself. I was referring to the possibility however slight in potential to hear or be stimulated in a way you shouldn't be.

For one in the IT field, one should know a lot better than that about the handshake business. The implant is not simply a dead piece of metal that doesn't have any "info" that indicates to the processor "oops this is not the implant I was set up to work with when programmed" . It is very trivial to program a CI to check the implant's identification before proceeding with business as usual. In case you don't know, all medical implants of some sort or another are uniquely identified for each person. That is very useful to the medical community and law enforcement especially in a John Doe situation.

Sorry, at this point I will have to just let this go and disagree with you. We can argue in circles forever...
 
I suggest you to call Cochlear and find out more yourself. and let's leave at it.
 
Boult said:
I suggest you to call Cochlear and find out more yourself. and let's leave at it.
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Yep, I fully intend to...there are times you can't get two dogs to let go of the bone... :D
 
Fragmenter said:
Stacie,

I'm sitting here envious of you and your ability to hear sounds :mad:

LOL, honestly, I'm excited for you! I hope we will have a similar result from our operations :)

A really close CODA interpreter friend of mine asked me which sound I want to hear first. My answer? ZZ Top songs. The aftermath was hilarious...

Can't wait til I listen to some of their popular songs......... :dance:
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LOL
I cannot wait to hear of how your appt goes soon!
I've tried listening to music, I'm not ready with that yet lol. I'll keep trying!
Stacie
 
Thanks everyone for the answer regarding turning the CI up higher.
Another question....
Is this tinnitus in my head normal???
I've dealt with the ringing before in my left ear, drove me nuts, but this is new.
I have them when I put the CI on first thing and all thru the day. It is so loud and very hard to for me concentrate on what I'm trying to hear around me. Could it have something to do with the high pitch, not having heard it since hearing loss 25 yrs? I dunno, any help would be great! I've tried researching it, but all I've come across is how it helps tinnitus, but I've never had tinnitus in my implanted ear. Again, any help would be great!

New sound I've heard today......typing!
I kept giggling at the that noise, pretty cute lol.

Stacie
 
StacieLeigh said:
Thanks everyone for the answer regarding turning the CI up higher.
Another question....
Is this tinnitus in my head normal???
I've dealt with the ringing before in my left ear, drove me nuts, but this is new.
I have them when I put the CI on first thing and all thru the day. It is so loud and very hard to for me concentrate on what I'm trying to hear around me. Could it have something to do with the high pitch, not having heard it since hearing loss 25 yrs? I dunno, any help would be great! I've tried researching it, but all I've come across is how it helps tinnitus, but I've never had tinnitus in my implanted ear. Again, any help would be great!

New sound I've heard today......typing!
I kept giggling at the that noise, pretty cute lol.

Stacie
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Yes I've heard lots of people say they have tinnitus at the beginning of activation. But from what I can tell it's a short term problem as the brain adjusts and that continuous mappings bring about improvements.

The reports about the CI improving tinnitus is more in relation to people who had tinnitus prior to surgery.

Were you born hearing then?
 
R2D2 said:
Yes I've heard lots of people say they have tinnitus at the beginning of activation. But from what I can tell it's a short term problem as the brain adjusts and that continuous mappings bring about improvements.

The reports about the CI improving tinnitus is more in relation to people who had tinnitus prior to surgery.

Were you born hearing then?
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Yeah, I was born hearing. I got ahold of the meningitis when I was 2, my first hearing aid when I was 4, never for my right ear.
Thanks for answering quick!
Stacie

Getting excited for your hook-up???
 
Stacie,

R2D2 is correct. It often goes away over time. I would think it would reduce to a managable level if nothing else. I think you are right about it be related to the higher pitches.
 
Hey all,

Getting excited here as my first appointment for a CI is July 11th, just a few more weeks now. What exactly can I expect at this first appointment? Will they do any of the qualifying testing at that appointment? And what is the usual time frame between first appointment and actual turn on date?


Thanks,

Bear
 
Hi Bear!

Getting excited...eh? :) Don't remember if you said you were going to try an see if you qualify earlier...

It depends (don't you hate those answers :D ). Ummm, let me see if I can remember how it went for me (it was over a 1 1/2 years ago)...

Yea, they will see if you are qualified for a CI at this appt you mentioned. If you decide to go ahead with it, then it just depends how quickly they can schedule surgery and how soon you want it to happen. It could be in a couple of weeks (if not sooner) or a month or two away. Somewhere in there...they need to do a CAT scan to check out your cochlea and all that. Typically, the hookup will be anywhere from a week to a month after surgery depending on the center you are at and how they do your sutures. I have heard of a day or two after surgery but usually they like some time to past to allow for complete healing. For me it was 2 1/2 weeks between surgery and hookup.

Hope that helps...Again remember every center might do things a little differently.
 
StacieLeigh, believe it or not, there are certain symptoms that may take one year to normalize. It's not a big deal believe me. Remember that it was a surgery, and it's healing inside even if the inscision is already closed.
 
Bear said:
Hey all,

Getting excited here as my first appointment for a CI is July 11th, just a few more weeks now. What exactly can I expect at this first appointment? Will they do any of the qualifying testing at that appointment? And what is the usual time frame between first appointment and actual turn on date?


Thanks,

Bear
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Good luck, Bear!
Like sr171soars said. It does all vary, on my first appt. the audiologist gave me hearing test and told me he recommended that I have the CI. Then after that, it was to see the doc and he also said the same thing. My surgery was set a month later and had my ct scan couple week before surgery. It was pretty fast for me.
Wish you the best!
Stacie
 
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