CI Robots?

R2D2 said:
I just had to comment on this website. Very interesting and informative! I wonder if she comes to AD, it's almost as if she has been following the discussions here or is the deaf community that small for the same rumours and stories to circulate?
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I personally know Raychelle myself and I agree with her views that all implanted children should have exposure to both ASL and oral skills.

I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.
 
shel90 said:
I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.
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Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.
 
R2D2 said:
Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.
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Her view is great..now if we can get the professionals from the medical field, oralists and parents accept that view as well and accept ASL as a vital tool for all deaf children.
 
shel90 said:
Her view is great..now if we can get the professionals from the medical field, oralists and parents accept that view as well and accept ASL as a vital tool for all deaf children.
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Yes. And also for more members of the deaf community to move to Raychelle's position in accepting that there are some advantages to early implantation. Then there might actually be some sort of peace LOL!
 
R2D2 said:
Yes. And also for more members of the deaf community to move to Raychelle's position in accepting that there are some advantages to early implantation. Then there might actually be some sort of peace LOL!
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OOOH ..that is a tough one.."early implantation" is a very sensitive subject within the Deaf community for several reasons. For myself, I am not comfortable with the idea because I am a HA user and severely profoundly deaf but can use my HAs so well so I believe that the doctors need to give babies more time to see how well they do with their HAs before implanting them. Now, we are seeing 6 month olds getting implanted? How will we ever know how well they could have done with HAs. That is why I am not comfortable with the idea of implanting babies. Doesnt mean I will reject the parents or the kids themselves but I will have to refrain my feelings and opinions from them.
 
shel90 said:
OOOH ..that is a tough one.."early implantation" is a very sensitive subject within the Deaf community for several reasons. For myself, I am not comfortable with the idea because I am a HA user and severely profoundly deaf but can use my HAs so well so I believe that the doctors need to give babies more time to see how well they do with their HAs before implanting them. Now, we are seeing 6 month olds getting implanted? How will we ever know how well they could have done with HAs. That is why I am not comfortable with the idea of implanting babies. Doesnt mean I will reject the parents or the kids themselves but I will have to refrain my feelings and opinions from them.
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Most implantations happen around the age of 18 months to 2. Is this still too young for you? I think this is probably what Raychelle has in mind rather than 6 months. Most babies with some residual hearing are trialled with HAs first before the CI is decided upon. Maybe with some very large losses they don't bother?

Also, you are a fairly uncommon success story for someone with such a big loss. My nephew has a similar loss to yours (120db I think?) and HAs were useless for him. It could take years of intensive therapy in that situation to ascertain whether or not someone benefits from HAs with very large losses.
 
R2D2 said:
Most implantations happen around the age of 18 months to 2. Is this still too young for you? I think this is probably what Raychelle has in mind rather than 6 months. Most babies with some residual hearing are trialled with HAs first before the CI is decided upon. Maybe with some very large losses they don't bother?

Also, you are a fairly uncommon success story for someone with such a big loss. My nephew has a similar loss to yours (120db I think?) and HAs were useless for him. It could take years of intensive therapy in that situation to ascertain whether or not someone benefits from HAs with very large losses.
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My brother has the same loss as your nephew and I do and HAs werent successful for him despite spending 5 years in an oral-only program (the same one I went to). I dont know why they worked for me. My best friend has the same loss too and HAs worked for her. She can even have short conversations on the phone! It is just werird how these things work.
 
rick48 said:
While I have seen or heard ci users referred to as "robots" by those who consider themselves to be Deaf, the context in which they are called or referred to as "robot" is almost always derrogatory. I think it stems from a basic insecurity and fear of change. The real question is why do certain Deaf individuals feel the need to insult those who have cochlear implants?

Rick
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Calling them robots is indeed derrogatory and downright rude. Deaf people are just like hearing people...you have some who will and some who won't.
 
R2D2 said:
Might be a good idea. I think her approach of moving past the ethics of CIs on children itself and focussing more on language acquisition at an early age would be appreciated by many hearing parents who are seeking more information.
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Raychelle responded to my page...she had never heard of alldeaf. Maybe she will register in the near future. :)
 
deafbajagal said:
Calling them robots is indeed derrogatory and downright rude. Deaf people are just like hearing people...you have some who will and some who won't.
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Could not agree with you more. On the flip side, some of the kindest and most caring people we know were the deaf adults we met when our daughter became deaf.
Rick
 
shel90 said:
I personally know Raychelle myself and I agree with her views that all implanted children should have exposure to both ASL and oral skills.

I dont think Raychelle knows about Alldeaf. I can email her to come to AD.
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Do invite her. We'd be happy to have her post here.
 
rick48 said:
Could not agree with you more. On the flip side, some of the kindest and most caring people we know were the deaf adults we met when our daughter became deaf.
Rick
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I agree with both of you on this one. Even when I was against CIs, I would never call anyone robots for having a CI.
 
authentic said:
I have many friends who use CI, etc. but sorry to say this I do still consider CI as robot, because CI is not natural body. It is man-made material, and put it in the human body is robot. Same with heart/kidney transplant, pacemaker, etc. is robotic material to assist the human body.
no bashing please
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Heart/Kidney transplant is robotic? How? It came from another human being, and has no machine or robotic material. It's the real thing. Not man-made. How does it make the heart/kidney robotic? This makes no sense!

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See? There is no machine or robotic material in the heart and the kidney!
 
Drew's Dad said:
From stories I've heard from others, some people do change their personality after getting cochlear implant(s). Sometimes they stop associating with their other Deaf friends and can take on an air of self-importance.

I find that very sad and relatively disgusting, but I have heard of it happening. It must be something with some people where being able to hear makes them in some way want to stop being deaf, or just associate with hearing people when they couldn't before.

I don't know why it happens, but I have heard of it happening.

As far as wondering if a CI makes you robotic or less human, I think that's silly - having a CI doesn't change your personality, but some act different once getting it.
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Yep, it happens... because those people chose to be that way.

You are who you are.

If you're deaf and you have a deaf friend who is very close with you. One day, he gets CI and suddenly changes his personality... you shouldn't blame the fact that he got CI. You should blame the fact that he chose to change and not talk to you any more. Therefore, he's not a true friend. Let him go. :)
 
Robot is usually a machine that is controlled by humans for the purpose of completing certain tasks. One example would be the robots that they have on Mars. Those things are built for the purpose of exploring Mars, taking pictures, and collecting data. All of these tasks are repetitive and that's what makes it a robot.

If you got CI, it wouldn't make you a robot. It's simply a product that lets your nerves do something it couldn't do before... hear.

As for bionic, that's more of an enhancement... which is not a CI isn't.

Remember the old television show called The Six Million Dollar Man? Well, that guy had his body replaced so that he could do things better than a normal human could? His eyesight, running speed, jumping height, and strength were enhanced. So, those are what you would call... bionic limbs, eyes, implants, etc.

So, is the CI designed for the purpose of making you hear better than a normal hearing person? No. It's simply designed to allow your nerves to process sound "like a hearing person". Therefore, it shouldn't be a "bionic implant".

Even if a deaf person were to get bionic ears, would that still make this deaf person reliable when it comes to hearing things? No. It still takes a lot of time to perceive and understand things that's being heard. Hearing people grow up hearing everything and recognizing things instantly. If they got bionic implants to make them hear much better than normal, then they would do better.
 
speaking of controlling...lol when i first got my ha. Phonak una...well it has data logging which tells my audi how long i'm using my ha and when i swich my settings etc and after 2 weeks of having it i went in for an adjustment and i saw my audi's dad (it's a family run ha clinic)and he was like ya i can even go back and listen to ur convos..and i could feel that my cheeks went kinda red and my eyes were a bit bulgy cuz i thought he was serious!!! and then he saw my face and was like im just kidding and burst out laughing! lol
 
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