CI Robots?

vallee said:
sr171soars, good posting much better than I could say.

I don't like that comment with the picture. That is my opinion...
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I gotta to be honest with you, that prothestic foot reminds me of a robot. Not saying that it makes the person a robot but by looking at it, I am reminded of a robot.

The OP brought up this question on why do some people in the Deaf community call people who have CIs robots so it is nice to discuss it here and learn from each other. I think this can be an interesting debate...
 
I agree it is an interesting debate. As someone who wears cis, robot just does not feel right. I don't feel like a robot, don't talk like a robot or walk like one, or even hear like one.

I guess it goes with what we view ourselves and the tools we use. I view my cis as technology just like my hearing aid. It just works better on me.
 
sr171soars said:
There have been fascinating discussions elsewhere about the nature of being human as pertains to bionic parts. In particular, what percentage of bionic parts in a person makes him no longer human.

I take the tack as long as the personality, will, and soul of a person is not altered by these parts, the person is human.
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This is one of example.
 
vallee said:
I agree it is an interesting debate. As someone who wears cis, robot just does not feel right. I don't feel like a robot, don't talk like a robot or walk like one, or even hear like one.

I guess it goes with what we view ourselves and the tools we use. I view my cis as technology just like my hearing aid. It just works better on me.
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Have you skydiving with your ci on?
Have you went to scuba diving (30 feet or deeper) with your ci on?
 
Guys, guys, take it easy with Authenic, and I'm a CI-Borg, too. I don't mind if I'm being called a robot, half-robot, or cyborg. I've always find this funny if I'm a half-robot and half-human.
 
Texan Guy said:
Guys, guys, take it easy with Authenic, and I'm a CI-Borg, too. I don't mind if I'm being called a robot, half-robot, or cyborg. I've always find this funny if I'm a half-robot and half-human.
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It's just an interesting discussion. I don't think anybody is all riled up about it.

As for calling oneself a robot, that is your business. If one is going to call me anything, I'll accept being a cyborg but not a robot. I much prefer to be "accurate" in what terms I use lest I confuse everybody around me. That is what communication is all about...eh? :whistle:
 
When I read this thread about "robot", I think of their behavior rather than the CI in their head. You know, one who kowtows to the hearing people - doing what they want him/her to do - be a hearing, not Deaf. I can understand why some Deaf people would call them robots.

I don't call them robots. I don't even call them borgs right in their faces. If they think they are too good for the Deaf community, they should leave. If they opt to stick around, I will study them to see how much the CI work for them.
 
Drew's Dad said:
From stories I've heard from others, some people do change their personality after getting cochlear implant(s). Sometimes they stop associating with their other Deaf friends and can take on an air of self-importance.

I find that very sad and relatively disgusting, but I have heard of it happening. It must be something with some people where being able to hear makes them in some way want to stop being deaf, or just associate with hearing people when they couldn't before.

I don't know why it happens, but I have heard of it happening.

As far as wondering if a CI makes you robotic or less human, I think that's silly - having a CI doesn't change your personality, but some act different once getting it.
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Well said.
 
shel90 said:
I gotta to be honest with you, that prothestic foot reminds me of a robot. Not saying that it makes the person a robot but by looking at it, I am reminded of a robot.

The OP brought up this question on why do some people in the Deaf community call people who have CIs robots so it is nice to discuss it here and learn from each other. I think this can be an interesting debate...
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Actually, that prosthetic foot does use robotics in its design. So you were on target shel!
 
sr171soars said:
Er...I disagree.

Taking a look at dictionary.com here is the definition of a "robot"

ro·bot /ˈroʊbət, -bɒt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[roh-buht, -bot] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a machine that resembles a human and does mechanical, routine tasks on command.
2. a person who acts and responds in a mechanical, routine manner, usually subject to another's will; automaton.
3. any machine or mechanical device that operates automatically with humanlike skill.
–adjective
4. operating automatically: a robot train operating between airline terminals.
[Origin: < Czech, coined by Karel Čapek in the play R.U.R. (1920) from the base robot-, as in robota compulsory labor, robotník peasant owing such labor]


There is a distinct difference in what robot means and what bionic means. Having man-made parts in one's body is having bionic parts and makes one bionic. See below for that definition...

From Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary

Main Entry: bi·on·ic
Pronunciation: bI-'än-ik
Function: adjective
1 : of or relating to bionics
2 a : having natural biological capability or performance enhanced by or as if by electronic or electromechanical devices <our future may lie not with the bionic man but with natural man —Susan Schiefelbein> b : comprising or made up of artificial body parts that enhance or substitute for a natural biological capability <a bionic heart>


Nobody with a CI, artificial knee, or any other man-made part in their body can be called a robot by definition. They have bionic parts that mimic the natural body parts. If anything, they can only be called a bionic person or better a cyborg. That doesn't make them any less human. The body is just one component to what makes up a human being.

There have been fascinating discussions elsewhere about the nature of being human as pertains to bionic parts. In particular, what percentage of bionic parts in a person makes him no longer human. Micheal Chorost brings this up in his book "Rebuilt".

I take the tack as long as the personality, will, and soul of a person is not altered by these parts, the person is human.
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+1 good posting!
 
authentic said:
Have you skydiving with your ci on?
Have you went to scuba diving (30 feet or deeper) with your ci on?
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Those are two things I would not even do with hearing aids or cis. Not my type of hobbies. Pick something a little down to Earth, then yes. Let me see scrapbooking - check
rollercosters - check
swimming - of course without ci or hearing aid on check
teaching - check
driving - check
movies - check
running and walking - check
the gym - check
shopping - double check

that is as much adventure as I need.
 
AquaBlue said:
Why would some Deaf individuals say that CI patients are robotic? Isn’t CI technology just a way to improve hearing? I mean the person does not change who they are as an individual- their behavior and thinking in the months/years following surgery, right? They don't adapt a more "hearing" type of personality. I would surely think not.

Now, I am not talking about culture but personality. My target here is in the individual and not the group: Personal perspectives and not the accepted values of a culture. I hope I’m clear on that because it’s important to understand prior to replying.

Please keep in mind that I am brand new (kinda) to all this…so forgive me if I caused offense.

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While I have seen or heard ci users referred to as "robots" by those who consider themselves to be Deaf, the context in which they are called or referred to as "robot" is almost always derrogatory. I think it stems from a basic insecurity and fear of change. The real question is why do certain Deaf individuals feel the need to insult those who have cochlear implants?

Rick
 
vallee said:
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I wanted to point out that some implant like the AB implant can go in MRI and do not need to be removed before going into MRI. However a tiny cut is need to remove just the magnet from the implant then put back in after MRI is done.

But suppose it was an emengry and you needed a MRI right away and it even safe to have MRI with the magnet still in the implant but the magnet may be de-magnetized or lose it holding power that it will need to replace the magnet after the MRI.

The whole implant will not need to be taken out or replaced at all for MRI just the small magnet on it which a small cut in skin is need to pull the magnet out of the implant since the implant sit under your skin.

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the monster robot will find way to control your CI as they will take over the world.

Help John Conner!!! Save us!
 
authentic said:
This is one of example.
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Again - nothing about his prosthetics is robotic- they're simply prosthetics...HE does the running/walking and they're assistive.

Again - a person may use a robotic piece of equipment, but that doesn't make the PERSON themselves a robot. My grandmother uses an electric wheelchair to get around...that's robotic in a way, but SHE isn't a robot. I have a CI, but it doesn't make me a robot either....
 
TechBill said:
I wanted to point out that some implant like the AB implant can go in MRI and do not need to be removed before going into MRI. However a tiny cut is need to remove just the magnet from the implant then put back in after MRI is done.

But suppose it was an emengry and you needed a MRI right away and it even safe to have MRI with the magnet still in the implant but the magnet may be de-magnetized or lose it holding power that it will need to replace the magnet after the MRI.

The whole implant will not need to be taken out or replaced at all for MRI just the small magnet on it which a small cut in skin is need to pull the magnet out of the implant since the implant sit under your skin.

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I didn't know that AB has a implant that can do that too! I have a Cochlear Freedom and that's one of the big selling points that you can have an MRI as long as you remove the magnet beforehand.
 
R2D2 said:
I just had to comment on this website. Very interesting and informative! I wonder if she comes to AD, it's almost as if she has been following the discussions here or is the deaf community that small for the same rumours and stories to circulate?
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She has several vlogs posted on CIs. You can find a lot of positive and negative response about it on deafread.com

Banjo wrote a fantastic blog about this as well.
 
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