CI on 6 year old.

Angel said:
That's LIFE, things like that may happened so??..
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*nodding agreement* It's about saving their risk life after accidents which is total different as CI surgery.


This thread is about a young child going thru 2 CI surgery and end up with an infections, now going to another one this June? two words CHILD ABUSE!
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I would scream aloud... AGREEEEEDDDDD

I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER risk my child's life to CI surgery if I know it could lead risk on child's life because I waaannnnnaaaaa my baby alive.
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U haven't heard of anyone dying from a CI surgery so the risks are minimal. I have always been more worried about lasting effects ..it seems to me that these kinds of cases are rare that beetaroh brought up.
Still..that doesn't mean the risks are not there.

This thread has gotten depressing thinking about death especially children. That's my worst nightmare...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes I know Cloggy quoted Jillos's post, Boult. His post is not match Jillo's post that's why I questioned Cloggy.

That's what I thought so after read Cloggy's post to correct Neecy's post. :ugh3: I hope that I misunderstand Cloggy's post but I realized that I understand his post correct. Now I don't say anymore further. I'm total speechless.
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Well, I hope you understand that I am not questionning deaf peoples ability to drive, fly or cross the road. That has nothing to do with deafness.
My responce is valid for all people. Deaf and hearing.

If you do not take surgery because there's a risk of dying, then, because of the risks attatched to driving, you should not drive....

Look at all the deaths on the road due to car accidents. And still, you get in the car, you take your children and loved ones in the car.... accepting the risk. A risk, probably bigger than having a surgery....
Why are you doing that??
 
Angel said:
:werd: ....Remember sweetie, Cloggy hasn't walked a miles in our shoes yet so what does he know?
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Same for you. You haven't walked in my shoes.....
Does that matter.. no.
It does give a different perspective on life I guess....
 
Liebling:-))) said:
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I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER risk my child's life to CI surgery if I know it could lead risk on child's life because I waaannnnnaaaaa my baby alive.[/COLOR]
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But it's OK to risk your and your childs life driving through Germany at 150 km/hr??? A tire bursts at 150 km/hr and you and your child are dead.....
Why would you take that risk...??
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Cloggy said:
Same for you. You haven't walked in my shoes.....
Does that matter.. no.
It does give a different perspective on life I guess....
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You're correct, I don't have a deaf child nor am I hearing, but if you're going to bring up what it like not being able to hear in case of being in a danger situation then you're going to get this respond from me....

Everyone gives a different perspecitive in life remember that!
 
Cloggy said:
But it's OK to risk your and your childs life driving through Germany at 150 km/hr??? A tire bursts at 150 km/hr and you and your child are dead.....
Why would you take that risk...??
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If this young child went through 2 CI implants surgeries not 1 yet failed due to infections, and decide why not have another one thinking there wouldn't be a plm next time? this father is putting this child through hell just because he wants his child to hear....


This is what this thread is about, and this is why some of us are upset and it has NOTHING to do with being on an operation table, its about how many times this father put this child thru surgery....
 
Cloggy said:
Well, I hope you understand that I am not questionning deaf peoples ability to drive, fly or cross the road. That has nothing to do with deafness.
My responce is valid for all people. Deaf and hearing.

If you do not take surgery because there's a risk of dying, then, because of the risks attatched to driving, you should not drive....

Look at all the deaths on the road due to car accidents. And still, you get in the car, you take your children and loved ones in the car.... accepting the risk. A risk, probably bigger than having a surgery....
Why are you doing that??
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But I feel from your some posts that ears is a value for you. I would to show you the examples what you posted at other thread.
"She would have heared the whisle had she been able to hear. She would have been alive had she heared."

That's why I thought after read your post here.

The subject about risk accidents really has nothing do with this thread here because risk accidents what you mentioned is total different as CI surgery.

Accidents are everywhere which is not the same as CI surgery because you PLAN to implant your child with CI which accidents doesn't.
 
Cloggy said:
But it's OK to risk your and your childs life driving through Germany at 150 km/hr??? A tire bursts at 150 km/hr and you and your child are dead.....
Why would you take that risk...??
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Do you drive through Germany? Did you know what German autobahn (freeway/motorway) is? I know German law but I don't know about Holland or Norway law.

Accord car insurance company rule, we should let our cars to check for our safety before make outing trips. Right? If you choose to not have your car to check before make outing trip then is your own responsible and lost your insurance rights. Right? That's why we are responsible for our family's safety is let our car to check and make sure everything goes okay before we are able to make long journey on the Autobahn. We would not drive IF they said that our car is risk and unsafety to drive on the Autobahn and rent the car. We did let our BMW Touring car to check before drive to Italy last year but they told us that it's risk so we accept to leave BMW alone and rent a car to drive to Italy because we want our family's safety. It's the same thing with infection what you mentioned on your previous post. I would not re-implant my child with CI when I know it's infection because I want my child's safety.
 
I agree with Liebling and Angel..the idea of re implanting a child after he has gone thru pain and suffering from infection seems cruel. It is really sad cuz the price of being able to hear is not worth in some situations.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Do you drive through Germany? Did you know what German autobahn (freeway/motorway) is? I know German law but I don't know about Holland or Norway law.

Accord car insurance company rule, we should let our cars to check for our safety before make outing trips. Right? If you choose to not have your car to check before make outing trip then is your own responsible and lost your insurance rights. Right? That's why we are responsible for our family's safety is let our car to check and make sure everything goes okay before we are able to make long journey on the Autobahn. We would not drive IF they said that our car is risk and unsafety to drive on the Autobahn and rent the car. We did let our BMW Touring car to check before drive to Italy last year but they told us that it's risk so we accept to leave BMW alone and rent a car to drive to Italy because we want our family's safety. It's the same thing with infection what you mentioned on your previous post. I would not re-implant my child with CI when I know it's infection because I want my child's safety.
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Yes... Denmark, Hamburg, Bremen, Osnabruck and last holiday we went to Austria....

All the safetymeasures don't help at 150 km/hr.... You reduce risks, you cannot eliminate them! It will allways be taking a risk. Which you do... with your loved ones.... Even all the way to Italy... adding to the risk....
How is that risk different than the risk with an operation?

Infections happen, and it's sad. Rockdrummer knows everything about that. But infections are the exception, not the norm.
 
shel90 said:
I agree with Liebling and Angel..the idea of re implanting a child after he has gone thru pain and suffering from infection seems cruel. It is really sad cuz the price of being able to hear is not worth in some situations.
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The father must be that desperate for his adopted son to hear if that was the case, my question is why did he adopted a deaf child if he didn't want a deaf child to begin with :confused:
 
Cheri said:
The father must be that desperate for his adopted son to hear if that was the case, my question is why did he adopted a deaf child if he didn't want a deaf child to begin with :confused:
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*nodding agreement*

You have a good point. I cannot understand either... *sigh*
 
neecy said:
Cloggy was trying to show that if DANGER is the #1 reason that somebody shouldn't get a CI, then they should basically be afraid to step out of their houses, as the world is fraught with danger, but that doesn't stop people from living full lives. If you didn't do anything because there might be a danger, you'd live a very boring life indeed.
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But a CI is not necessary to live a full and complete life. Unless you are agoraphobic, however, crossing the street at some point in time becomes a neccesity.
 
Cloggy said:
Same for you. You haven't walked in my shoes.....
Does that matter.. no.
It does give a different perspective on life I guess....
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Ahhh, but your daughter has walked a couple of miles in Angel's shoes. So what does that tell you, cloggy---or are you even capable of getting the meaning?
 
jillio said:
Ahhh, but your daughter has walked a couple of miles in Angel's shoes. So what does that tell you, cloggy---or are you even capable of getting the meaning?
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It is about the deaf children walking in the same shoes as deaf adults...not about walking in hearing people's shoes.
 
shel90 said:
It is about the deaf children walking in the same shoes as deaf adults...not about walking in hearing people's shoes.
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:ty: :ty: :ty: That's the whole point, but some people just can't get it. Or don't want to, I'm not sure which.
 
Sorry.... I agree with Liebling and Angel.... it is in a form of CHILD ABUSE!!!
 
If it was child abuse, then the father of adopted would have been arrested and taken away to jail and the child become being controlled by CPS (they are the one that may support CI) *shrug*

OR even the surgeon doctor should have his license revoked and never to operate again at all.
 
Boult said:
If it was child abuse, then the father of adopted would have been arrested and taken away to jail and the child become being controlled by CPS (they are the one that may support CI) *shrug*

OR even the surgeon doctor should have his license revoked and never to operate again at all.
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Maybe CPS isn't aware of this adopt boy's case just as yet. This adopt boy's whole right side of face is paralyzed from cochlear implant, You don't even think that's child abuse? How many more takes can this boy have to suffer? Five more cochlear implant to make it successful or make this poor boy worst than he already is.

Have a heart Boult.
 
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