CI on 6 year old.

deafskeptic said:
I've heard of isolated cases where people came down with with meningitis after getting CIs with a placer thing (I think but don't quote me on it.) but that's about it. I've never gotton meningitis shots (I should have gotten them.) but I'm in good health otherwise. I don't think Malfoyish would care much for me calling her an isolated case as she was one of those people who came down with it. The risk is quite low though and my guess is that it's less than 1%. CIs are no longer manufactured with the placer now so that's even less likely to happen now.


Indeed not. I speak from personal experince. If I'm in a noisy situation with total strangers, I know better than to speak as people will assume that I'm not deaf if I speak. P&P methold is my favortite in such a situation. I aslo own a tty as I've never been able to speak on the phone. Hopefully with AVT, I'll find it easier to understand people. We shall see.

Quite true about the rest and I have a tty at home if I can't use the relay service with my Mac.





I actually agree with you that CI'er may need signs but I can't tell parents to learn sign. I can recomend that they learn sign to help with language development.

I was referrring to parents who choose not to go the CI route. If the child get no benefits or limited benefits from hearing aids, you'd damn well better learn sign or you'll have problems down the road. Unforutantly, parents like Jillo are the expectation to the rule.
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I agrree with u about the parents who chose not to go the CI route not learning sign language. I see too many cases of nonexistence communication between the children and their parents, including mine when it comes to my brother.

However, I must note that the same problem is also present with children who have CIs and their parents cuz the parents assumed that the CIs would do the job but surprise, they didn't so the situation is stil happening. That's why I strongly encourage parents and children with CIs learn soign language cuz u never know. Also, I don't like the idea of depending on technology alone so having fluency in sign language would be great to have. Up to them..can't force anyone to do anything but just to make that recommendation based on my experiences with children who do not benefit from their CIs as far as language is concerned. Sound perception or environmental sounds are not what I am interested in cuz they do not help in academics 100%. Need more than that.
 
deafskeptic said:
I was referrring to parents who choose not to go the CI route. If the child get no benefits or limited benefits from hearing aids, you'd damn well better learn sign or you'll have problems down the road. Unforutantly, parents like Jillo are the expectation to the rule.
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It's unbelievable to me that any parent would not learn sign if they had no CI and got no benefit from hearing aids. I believe those who say it happens, but I've got no respect for that choice for sure.
 
Cloggy said:
That is not the goal for CI. The goal for CI is to provide hearing, allowing audible communication. Deafness will not be eradicated. There will be a decrease in the number of persons that are not able to hear, but that is not the goal, it's a result...
Think of it...
No parent (or adult) will choose CI in order to eradicate deafness. That would mean losing something. Instead, something is gained.... the ability to hear.

All very nice, but it really doesn't help a lot if the vast majority around you doesn't know the language.
Just like not being able to speak Englis and living in USA. SUre, there might be others that speak your language, but does it really help??

When loss of communication is because of loss of the auditory function, then getting that function back sounds like me a way to regain communication.
Like, when your car stops, you could just let it stand on the side of the road and take the bus and train the rest of your life. You can also make an effort to be able to use the car again and enjoy the freedom.
It's a choice... Both methods of transport will bring you to fantastic places....
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You know cloggy, you are qithout a doubt the most obstinate person I have ever encountered. Do you refuse to be open minded becasue you prefr to be that way, or is it because you have an intellectual deficiency? I t is impossible to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion with you, as you persist in using manipulative tactics rather than using fact and reason to validate your point. When you have no support for your opinion, you resort to insult. It is a waste of time to even attempt sonversation or discussion with you. Your daughter is amiracle child, and you have no worries, so why are you even here discussing the problems and difficulties of a population you have no understanding or empathy for?
 
Cloggy said:
That is not the goal for CI. The goal for CI is to provide hearing, allowing audible communication. Deafness will not be eradicated. There will be a decrease in the number of persons that are not able to hear, but that is not the goal, it's a result...
Think of it...
No parent (or adult) will choose CI in order to eradicate deafness. That would mean losing something. Instead, something is gained.... the ability to hear.

All very nice, but it really doesn't help a lot if the vast majority around you doesn't know the language.
Just like not being able to speak Englis and living in USA. SUre, there might be others that speak your language, but does it really help??

When loss of communication is because of loss of the auditory function, then getting that function back sounds like me a way to regain communication.
Like, when your car stops, you could just let it stand on the side of the road and take the bus and train the rest of your life. You can also make an effort to be able to use the car again and enjoy the freedom.
It's a choice... Both methods of transport will bring you to fantastic places....
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You know cloggy, you are qithout a doubt the most obstinate person I have ever encountered. Do you refuse to be open minded becasue you prefr to be that way, or is it because you have an intellectual deficiency? I t is impossible to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion with you, as you persist in using manipulative tactics rather than using fact and reason to validate your point. When you have no support for your opinion, you resort to insult. It is a waste of time to even attempt sonversation or discussion with you. Your daughter is amiracle child, and you have no worries, so why are you even here discussing the problems and difficulties of a population you have no understanding or empathy for?
 
Uh Yeh.. I forgot - I'm the one that's closeminded.....

Uh Yeh.. I forgot - I'm the one that's closeminded.....

(Decided to "doublepost" in 1 post.... )
 
Cloggy said:
Uh Yeh.. I forgot - I'm the one that's closeminded.....

Uh Yeh.. I forgot - I'm the one that's closeminded.....

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Ok, u are here to quelch any myths or misinformation about CIs like the one about CIs electrocuting people which I respect cuz I did believe that at first. Now, I fully understand your purpose here. I am not sure if u understand my purpose here?


I have no problem u being here to do that and to share success stories but what I am here is to quelch any myths that CIs will make ALL deaf people hearing and do all the work and how important sign language is for deaf babies regardless they got a CI or not. Maybe someday the CIs will be successful for all deaf children..who knows? Anyways,my point is what Iam seeing is that there are still cases when the children do not get any benefits from them as far as language development goes.

That's what Jillo is trying to tell u just as u told me in another thread that I need to look beyond my school, right? If u expect me to do that then the same goes for u. Just pionting that out.

I am willing to look beyond what I see daily at work. Are u?
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Drew's Dad said:
It's unbelievable to me that any parent would not learn sign if they had no CI and got no benefit from hearing aids. I believe those who say it happens, but I've got no respect for that choice for sure.
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Yep, I've been told about such parents by a friend of mine who is in deaf education. They grow up with no language until they start school, when they are taught to sign for the first time - their parents just can't be bothered and do not learn sign with them. You feel really sorry for the children - no parental bond at all! I strongly believe that parental attachment is critical to mental health.

My own sister is similar to Jillio in that she took it upon herself to learn sign to a good level but such parents are not common. In my sister's case though she found that by the time my nephew had started school, he had overtaken her as far as signing skills were concerned. Even though she took classes and signed all the time with him, she could never catch up, since he was completely immersed in sign at school.

I think signing classes for parents alone would be okay for preschool ages but after that the parent would have to be regular participants at deaf clubs or work in a deaf environment to achieve the same signing fluency as their children during school years. Would Shel90 and Jillio agree with that statement?
 
deafskeptic said:
I've heard of isolated cases where people came down with with meningitis after getting CIs with a placer thing (I think but don't quote me on it.) but that's about it. I've never gotton meningitis shots (I should have gotten them.) but I'm in good health otherwise. I don't think Malfoyish would care much for me calling her an isolated case as she was one of those people who came down with it. The risk is quite low though and my guess is that it's less than 1%. CIs are no longer manufactured with the placer now so that's even less likely to happen now.
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Yes - a less than 1% chance of developing meninigitis after a CI is correct. And also children who are deaf whether they have a CI or not are five times more likely to develop meningitis anyway compared to the normally hearing population, due to the etiology of their deafness.

Recent research suggests that meningitis risk after CI surgery may increase if the electrode array was inserted incorrectly causing damage to ear structure, but no increase in risk if it was inserted correctly.

Again vaccinations are highly recommended.
 
R2D2 said:
Yep, I've been told about such parents by a friend of mine who is in deaf education. They grow up with no language until they start school, when they are taught to sign for the first time - their parents just can't be bothered and do not learn sign with them. You feel really sorry for the children - no parental bond at all! I strongly believe that parental attachment is critical to mental health.

and their children are seriously deprived of language even though they get it at school. STill need it at home to be able to have a better chance of developing advanced abstract thoughts. Schools cant do it alone...that's one of the reasons many parents request their kids to stay at the dorms..they know that they cant provide the language input that their children desperately need at home but the state needs better justification than that. The purpose of the dorms are for students who live a very long distance from the schools and that the commute will have a negative impact on their lives not because the parents dont know sign. I have to agree with the state...

My own sister is similar to Jillio in that she took it upon herself to learn sign to a good level but such parents are not common. In my sister's case though she found that by the time my nephew had started school, he had overtaken her as far as signing skills were concerned. Even though she took classes and signed all the time with him, she could never catch up, since he was completely immersed in sign at school.

I think signing classes for parents alone would be okay for preschool ages but after that the parent would have to be regular participants at deaf clubs or work in a deaf environment to achieve the same signing fluency as their children during school years. Would Shel90 and Jillio agree with that statement?
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Umm yes and no....depending on the ability of the parents to acquire a new language. Some people can do it thru video tapes, classes, or even from their children alone while others must be immersed in the environment where the language is being used to acquire it. I know some parents who arent not involved or dont particpate much in deaf events but can carry on conversations with the deaf adults and their children while others are totally involved like Jillo. It is probably a better idea if they do get involved to make the bond stronger if their child sees them interacting with adults who are deaf like them. Family dynamics are so complex, ha!
 
Cloggy said:
That is not the goal for CI. The goal for CI is to provide hearing, allowing audible communication. Deafness will not be eradicated. There will be a decrease in the number of persons that are not able to hear, but that is not the goal, it's a result...
Think of it...
No parent (or adult) will choose CI in order to eradicate deafness. That would mean losing something. Instead, something is gained.... the ability to hear.

All very nice, but it really doesn't help a lot if the vast majority around you doesn't know the language.
Just like not being able to speak Englis and living in USA. SUre, there might be others that speak your language, but does it really help??

When loss of communication is because of loss of the auditory function, then getting that function back sounds like me a way to regain communication.
Like, when your car stops, you could just let it stand on the side of the road and take the bus and train the rest of your life. You can also make an effort to be able to use the car again and enjoy the freedom.
It's a choice... Both methods of transport will bring you to fantastic places....
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Cloggy-To be honest with you, most of your comments are not believable because you observe as a parent. There is much more for me to say but if I start then this will become turmoil with you so forget it. Your arguments are worthless to me and who knows of how many other people agrees. So if you want to talk about hearing and goals talk with someone who agrees with you, because I dont see any success with your comments. And I am not to reject the CI users because they are the ones that actually experience hearing the hearing people. With all due respect, shut up and sit in the back seat let the CI users, HA users and deaf friendlies drive!
 
beetarehoh said:
With all due respect, shut up and sit in the back seat let the CI users, HA users and deaf friendlies drive!
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Ah yes, another wonderful example of the open mindedness and tolerence for differing views that is so characteristic of the Deaf community! Of course, this could never be an example of "discounting" or "disrespecting" someone's views because Cloggy does not count as he is merely a hearing parent of a ci child.

Cloggy, keep on keeping on! Don't let them stop you. You are doing wonderful things and Lotte, no matter what the ever dwindling anti-ci crowd says, is like thousands of other ci kids also doing wonderful things and being raised by wonderful parents.

Just remember, Lotte is where she is today because you are in the driver's seat.

Rick

PS, it is the blogs like yours and others that are showing people what ci kids can and are doing.
 
beetarehoh said:
Cloggy-To be honest with you, most of your comments are not believable because you observe as a parent. There is much more for me to say but if I start then this will become turmoil with you so forget it. Your arguments are worthless to me and who knows of how many other people agrees. So if you want to talk about hearing and goals talk with someone who agrees with you, because I dont see any success with your comments. And I am not to reject the CI users because they are the ones that actually experience hearing the hearing people. With all due respect, shut up and sit in the back seat let the CI users, HA users and deaf friendlies drive!
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SO... observing as a parent of a deaf child makes anything said not believable. Observing as a parent of a deaf child that can hear with Ci, that's not just unbelievable, that's actually worthless.

Just remembered what I am doing here.....

beetarehoh said:
With all due respect, shut up and sit in the back seat let the CI users, HA users and deaf friendlies drive!
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So this is "with all respect..."
Would hate to hear you talking without respect.....
Little final question... do you speak this way with anyone that disagrees with you ??

But thanks for your post, I am getting a better picture of the social-emotional problems that DD mentioned ....
 
rick48 said:
Ah yes, another wonderful example of the open mindedness and tolerence for differing views that is so characteristic of the Deaf community! Of course, this could never be an example of
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No need to put down the deaf community based on each person's reactions..thanks.
 
rick48 said:
Ah yes, another wonderful example of the open mindedness and tolerence for differing views that is so characteristic of the Deaf community! Of course, this could never be an example of "discounting" or "disrespecting" someone's views because Cloggy does not count as he is merely a hearing parent of a ci child.

Cloggy, keep on keeping on! Don't let them stop you. You are doing wonderful things and Lotte, no matter what the ever dwindling anti-ci crowd says, is like thousands of other ci kids also doing wonderful things and being raised by wonderful parents.

Just remember, Lotte is where she is today because you are in the driver's seat.

RickPS, it is the blogs like yours and others that are showing people what ci kids can and are doing.
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It is not a matter of being intolerant for differing views or of parents of deaf children. I am the parent of a deaf child and the only disrespect I have received on this board came from other hearing parents of deaf children, not from the Deaf posters.

The posters on this board, while some do not have CI and do not advocate for CI on children, are not intolerant of those who make that choice. They are intolerant of the attitude that is presented that implies that CI users are superior to non CI users, that spoken language is superior to signed language, and that parents who allow their children to experinece their deafness as a complete part of their identity are less effective and negligent intheir parenting. It is not your viepoint that irritates people, IT IS YOUR ATTITUDE!
 
jillio said:
It is not a matter of being intolerant for differing views or of parents of deaf children. I am the parent of a deaf child and the only disrespect I have received on this board came from other hearing parents of deaf children, not from the Deaf posters.

The posters on this board, while some do not have CI and do not advocate for CI on children, are not intolerant of those who make that choice. They are intolerant of the attitude that is presented that implies that CI users are superior to non CI users, that spoken language is superior to signed language, and that parents who allow their children to experinece their deafness as a complete part of their identity are less effective and negligent intheir parenting. It is not your viepoint that irritates people, IT IS YOUR ATTITUDE!
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