CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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jillio said:
Once again, a 5 year old child does not have the capability to discriminate between deaf and Deaf. Therefore, she cannot willingly ID as something she cannot even define. She may be able to define deaf, but she cannot define Deaf. I know you think your child is brilliant, as all parents do, but she is still a 5 year old child and not a 25 year old adult.
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Once again, the hearing bouncer of Deaf Culture checks my child's ID and this time determines she is now too young to enter -- and the appropriate age for entry is 25? :laugh2:

Get over yourself. My daughter is Deaf and wears CIs. The only place that's a conflict is in your head and on this forum, in threads where you love promoting an imaginary division between being a part of Deaf Culture and wearing an assistive hearing device.
 
GrendelQ said:
Once again, the hearing bouncer of Deaf Culture checks my child's ID and this time determines she is now too young to enter -- and the appropriate age for entry is 25? :laugh2:

Get over yourself. My daughter is Deaf and wears CIs. The only place that's a conflict is in your head and on this forum, in threads where you love promoting an imaginary division between being a part of Deaf Culture and wearing an assistive hearing device.
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I have to side with you here. I do not think age matters at all. I do believe your daughter understands she is Deaf and proud to be! You seem to be a wonderful mother!

Would you guys say a child who grew up CODA (both parent Deaf) didnt understand the culture? Its about how the child is raised and it seems GrendelQ's daughter is already a part of our culture.

Sure she is young and still has much to learn, but so do many adults here and you still welcome them. Please extend this to them, she is being a great mother and allowing her daughter to be a part of this when most parents today do not!
 
Shoshana said:
I have to side with you here. I do not think age matters at all. I do believe your daughter understands she is Deaf and proud to be! You seem to be a wonderful mother!

Would you guys say a child who grew up CODA (both parent Deaf) didnt understand the culture? Its about how the child is raised and it seems GrendelQ's daughter is already a part of our culture.

Sure she is young and still has much to learn, but so do many adults here and you still welcome them. Please extend this to them, she is being a great mother and allowing her daughter to be a part of this when most parents today do not!
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:ty: Shoshana!

Someone here always seems to think I'm stepping on her private domain. I'm not saying I'm one of those culturally Deaf hearing people, as Jillio very justifiably is -- I've a long, long way to go. But my daughter most definitely is Deaf.
 
GrendelQ said:
:ty: Shoshana!

Someone here always seems to think I'm stepping on her private domain. I'm not saying I'm one of those culturally Deaf hearing people, as Jillio very justifiably is -- I've a long, long way to go. But my daughter most definitely is Deaf.
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I wish more parents were like you!! Seriously!

I was diagnosed HOH at age 5-6, I remember going to get my first pair of hearing aids...I wanted Pink aids SO BADLY, but my mom thought they would be too noticeable. It made me sad...but at least I got pink/purple ear molds :aw:

I know when hearing parents find out their child is HOH/Deaf it is sometimes harder on THEM! My dad still doesn't like to acknowlage my hearing loss--let alone that I am DEAF! I love my parents very much, I know they did the best they could.

Keep doing what you are doing Grendel! :applause: to you!
 
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GrendelQ said:
jillio said:
Once again, a 5 year old child does not have the capability to discriminate between deaf and Deaf. Therefore, she cannot willingly ID as something she cannot even define. She may be able to define deaf, but she cannot define Deaf. I know you think your child is brilliant, as all parents do, but she is still a 5 year old child and not a 25 year old adult.
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Once again, the hearing bouncer of Deaf Culture checks my child's ID and this time determines she is now too young to enter -- and the appropriate age for entry is 25? :laugh2:

Get over yourself. My daughter is Deaf and wears CIs. The only place that's a conflict is in your head and on this forum, in threads where you love promoting an imaginary division between being a part of Deaf Culture and wearing an assistive hearing device.
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so, jillio are you saying that a Deaf child of two ***********s, raised in the Deaf community is not culturally Deaf until adulthood?
 
The word from pfh: if " child" knows only ASL/BSL/Auslan etc. doesn't seem to "square with the observation of Jillio" re: "child unable to discern: deafness/hearing" under unspecified age. Is this a intermural discussion amongst "deaf militants:ideological gnostic segments ?

Shouldn't one appear to read actual comments here- without a reality check required?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
drphil said:
The word from pfh: if " child" knows only ASL/BSL/Auslan etc. doesn't seem to "square with the observation of Jillio" re: "child unable to discern: deafness/hearing" under unspecified age. Is this a intermural discussion amongst "deaf militants:ideological gnostic segments ?

Shouldn't one appear to read actual comments here- without a reality check required?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
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what?
 
drphil said:
The word from pfh: if " child" knows only ASL/BSL/Auslan etc. doesn't seem to "square with the observation of Jillio" re: "child unable to discern: deafness/hearing" under unspecified age. Is this a intermural discussion amongst "deaf militants:ideological gnostic segments ?

Shouldn't one appear to read actual comments here- without a reality check required?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
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Huh?
 
drphil said:
The word from pfh: if " child" knows only ASL/BSL/Auslan etc. doesn't seem to "square with the observation of Jillio" re: "child unable to discern: deafness/hearing" under unspecified age. Is this a intermural discussion amongst "deaf militants:ideological gnostic segments ?

Shouldn't one appear to read actual comments here- without a reality check required?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
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Trying to talk with big words so some people have no idea what you are saying dosent make you seem smarter :roll:
 
GrendelQ said:
Once again, the hearing bouncer of Deaf Culture checks my child's ID and this time determines she is now too young to enter -- and the appropriate age for entry is 25? :laugh2:

Get over yourself. My daughter is Deaf and wears CIs. The only place that's a conflict is in your head and on this forum, in threads where you love promoting an imaginary division between being a part of Deaf Culture and wearing an assistive hearing device.
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OMG. That was too funny.

Sure, a 5 year old may not understand yet on the deepest level what it means to be Deaf. They sure are capable of knowing that they are Deaf, and that it has different implications than if one were to be hearing. A 5 year old has the ability to know that ASL is not the language used for the masses, but it's the language used that is most accessible to them.

5 year olds (generally) are not stupid- they get it. Good for Grendel's daughter that she's already started to form her true identity. It's a process that does not happen overnight.

So yes, Grendel's daughter appropriately ID's herself as Deaf. Why in the world would anyone challenge that?

Well, I know why. But that's just goofy.
 
drphil said:
The word from pfh: if " child" knows only ASL/BSL/Auslan etc. doesn't seem to "square with the observation of Jillio" re: "child unable to discern: deafness/hearing" under unspecified age. Is this a intermural discussion amongst "deaf militants:ideological gnostic segments ?

Shouldn't one appear to read actual comments here- without a reality check required?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
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Uh?
 
GrendelQ said:
Once again, the hearing bouncer of Deaf Culture checks my child's ID and this time determines she is now too young to enter -- and the appropriate age for entry is 25? :laugh2:

Get over yourself. My daughter is Deaf and wears CIs. The only place that's a conflict is in your head and on this forum, in threads where you love promoting an imaginary division between being a part of Deaf Culture and wearing an assistive hearing device.
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You really are getting silly now. Your daughter is not Deaf of Deaf and therefore is being raised in a home with hearing cultural values. Even though you expose her to other deaf individuals does not mean that she is capable, developmentally or intellectually, of determining the difference between deaf and Deaf, unless of course, she is the only 5 year old in existence that has a fully developed frontal lobe and can utilize the higher thought processes necessary to determine the difference and to make a conscious decision regarding which set of cultural values and traditions she wishes to adopt as her own. You identify her as Deaf, she does not identify herself as Deaf without you doing it for her.

Your daughter is deaf and wears CIs. You choose to identify her as Deaf, but that is not your identification to make. It is hers, and am I sure she will identify any way she chooses when she reaches the point where she is capable of doing so.

There is no division between wearing an assistive device, and being a member of Deaf culture. The fact that you seem to think there is is evidence of the fact that you, yourself, have a very superficial understanding of Deaf Culture. Nor is is dependent upon ASL use alone, as you seem to think. There are many ASL using individuals who do not embrace the values and the traditions of Deaf Culture.

You really do begin to post absurd and silly things when you start defending people like FJ and get caught all up in her nonsense. Take the time to think a bit before you post. You are making yourself look like just another silly hearing parent.
 
CSign said:
OMG. That was too funny.

Sure, a 5 year old may not understand yet on the deepest level what it means to be Deaf. They sure are capable of knowing that they are Deaf, and that it has different implications than if one were to be hearing. A 5 year old has the ability to know that ASL is not the language used for the masses, but it's the language used that is most accessible to them.

5 year olds (generally) are not stupid- they get it. Good for Grendel's daughter that she's already started to form her true identity. It's a process that does not happen overnight.

So yes, Grendel's daughter appropriately ID's herself as Deaf. Why in the world would anyone challenge that?

Well, I know why. But that's just goofy.
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Of course 5 year olds aren't stupid. Same we can't say the same about some of the adults around here.:roll:

A 5 year old has not even begun to develop an identity yet. You really need to educate yourself before making these nonsensical statements you make. You have shown yourself to be ignorant regarding linquisitics, regsrding Deaf Culture, and regarding placement decisions and legal options. Maybe you need to come back under another screen name, because under this one, no one is interested in anything you have to say. You have shown your ignorance, and we all know that trying to educate the ignorant that think they already know it all is a lost cause.
 
Shoshana said:
I have to side with you here. I do not think age matters at all. I do believe your daughter understands she is Deaf and proud to be! You seem to be a wonderful mother!

Would you guys say a child who grew up CODA (both parent Deaf) didnt understand the culture? Its about how the child is raised and it seems GrendelQ's daughter is already a part of our culture.

Sure she is young and still has much to learn, but so do many adults here and you still welcome them. Please extend this to them, she is being a great mother and allowing her daughter to be a part of this when most parents today do not!
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Unless the parents are members of Deaf Culture and are living the values and the traditions of Deaf Culture age does matter. A child of 5 is incapable, developmentally, of discerning the differences between deaf and Deaf. It requires the ability to think on higher levels, and until she has a greater ability to do so, as her brain and ability to think fluidly increases, it simply is not possible for a 5 year old child to understand and identify with a concept such as Deaf. A 5 year old is just beginning to understand the difference between people who hear and people who don't hear. Cultural concepts are much more complicated. When she becomes a teen, and her developmental task is to form an identity of her own, she will begin to sort these things out for herself. Until then, it is only possible for her parent to decide whether she is Deaf or not. Since that is a self appointed identity, entered into by choice, it just is not possible for a hearing parent to identify her child as Deaf.
 
If the word "gnostic" confused anyone -means secret knowledge. Goes back about 2000 years around the time of the beginning of Christianity. Apparently there are "deaf values'secrets" known ONLY to "certain members". How all of this ties into that "secret group" call "deaf militants"- not privy yet.

To date as a bilateral deaf person no knowledge of these "gnostic deaf secrets".

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
Once again, a thread discussing cultural issues has gone the route of silly. What a shame that people cannot discuss the issue with intelligence and logic, instead of getting so defensive about whether a 5 year old child is capable of making such a distinction. Really, all parents think their children are geniuses, but the reality is that very, very few really are.
 
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