CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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Audiofuzzy said:
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yo dumbass. its not a yes/no question. you asked a question that COULDN'T be answered with just a yes/no answer responsibly.

shut yer yap hole because as far as everyone is concerned; you are asking the same question over and over like a broken record and getting the same answers. However the more you spin around the more insulting remarks you get - I hope this flares up your dim bulb above your dome some.
 
posts from hell said:
yo dumbass. its not a yes/no question. you asked a question that COULDN'T be answered with just a yes/no answer responsibly.

shut yer yap hole because as far as everyone is concerned; you are asking the same question over and over like a broken record and getting the same answers. However the more you spin around the more insulting remarks you get - I hope this flares up your dim bulb above your dome some.
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Exactly. I think my CI is an improvement over my HA but I would never claim I don't need to lipread to understand speech. I never had normal hearing and I never will be able to hear normally. Period.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Which is true for a lot of prelingually deaf adults who have been implanted.

YES, they hear environmental sounds well, but, their SPEECH PERCEPTION is often dodgy; even in the most ideal environments.
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Oceanbreeze, if I recall correctly they stopped implanting deep profound adults, but even prelignal deaf adults who got quite a bit of benifit with HAs, don't function as hearing people. Even postlingal or late deafened people don't function as hearing people with CIs. Heck I remmy at Hearing Exchange they said that sucess varied from person to person. Like for some people, it would be "sucessful" if they got to hear background noise, others an improvement in speech perception others almost hoh etc etc etc...it varies.
And the world is not a soundbooth. The real world does not reflect a soundbooth....and I say that as a HOH kid!
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Yes I do.
I know people with vertigo, and occasionally due to my migraines,
I was affected with a few seconds vertigo myself. Granted, it is nothing comparing to what your girlfriend suffers from but the point is, yes I know what vertigo is and how unpleasant it can be.
This however has nothing to do how effective can CI be sound-wise.
Vertigo or not, the CI still enables to hear.

Whether or not one choose vertigo or ability to hear, is another matter.


Like I've stated before, it's personal choice, and I respect that.
So, if your girlfriend chose not to use CI because of vertigo, I respect that.
But that does not negate the fact that CI still helps her to hear sounds better.
With CI, she simply can hear better and has vertigo (sadly).




WOW. you really have NO idea what you are talking about.



Congrats, I wish vertigo only lasted a few seconds--easy for you to say because it passes quickly--Ive had episodes that left me stuck in bed for 48 hours.



YOU THINK I CHOOSE THIS?



If you think this its obvious you are quite loose in the head.



It dosen't seem I or a few others care much if you leave, so why not leave this post with some dignity huh?



:ty: :bye:
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As to whether can "hear" with their new Cochlear Implant is that the function of Mapping?
From my experience-almost 4 years ago- the audi adjusted till I could "hear speech"-hers!
This is what happened at Sunnybrook/Toronto-does this NOT happen everywhere else?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
Vestibular dysfunction is not vertigo. Vertigo is far worse. I have the former, which causes disequilibrium--problems while upright and moving. Vertigo hits whether you're moving or not and it lasts a lot longer. Much more debilitating.
 
deafdyke said:
Oceanbreeze, if I recall correctly they stopped implanting deep profound adults, but even prelignal deaf adults who got quite a bit of benifit with HAs, don't function as hearing people. Even postlingal or late deafened people don't function as hearing people with CIs. Heck I remmy at Hearing Exchange they said that sucess varied from person to person. Like for some people, it would be "sucessful" if they got to hear background noise, others an improvement in speech perception others almost hoh etc etc etc...it varies.
And the world is not a soundbooth. The real world does not reflect a soundbooth....and I say that as a HOH kid!
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Let's bottomline this, shall we? Even with a CI, a deaf person (whether kid or adult) is still deaf; period. Take the device off and what can they hear? Not a heck of a lot; if anything at all!

As for whether or not they still implant prelingual adults with profound losses still, I wouldn't know. I'd have to research that in order to educate myself. But, I can tell you that that doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. If someone wants the CI, and they have insurance coverage for it, they should be implanted (assuming they meet the criterior for implantation).
 
Shoshana said:
I have implant on right side, I was implanted at age 15. I have both cochlear and nerve damage related hearing loss. So even know I have the implant, it doesn't work well at all and I depend on lip reading. I do sign and prefer to, I consider myself Deaf--Even with the implant.

I know there is a lot of controversy regarding this...

opinions?
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Having a cochlear implant -- whether it surpasses expectations for providing excellent access to sound, as it does for my daughter and many others, or if it doesn't provide any or poor access to sound, as you've found -- doesn't have a thing to do with whether or not someone is Deaf.

At 5, my daughter identifies as Deaf. At her school they have pictures of students and staff labeled as deaf in one section, those who are hearing to the side. Audiologically, she's profoundly deaf. If you ask her if she is deaf or hearing, she says or signs "I'm Deaf. And Hearing." Her definition. Her family and friends use ASL as a language (not just a handful of 'backup signs)' and see her deafness as a defining characteristic rather than as a symptom. She attends an ASL-based school for the deaf and -- with friends and teachers who are Deaf -- is being inculcated with Deaf Culture. Several of those Deaf mentors and influencers in her life have hearing aids and can also use spoken language if they choose to. She is fluent in both ASL and spoken English. Using hearing technologies -- hearing aids or CIs -- or valuing multiple languages doesn't mean someone isn't Deaf.
 
GrendelQ said:
Having a cochlear implant -- whether it surpasses expectations for providing excellent access to sound, as it does for my daughter and many others, or if it doesn't provide any or poor access to sound, as you've found -- doesn't have a thing to do with whether or not someone is Deaf.

At 5, my daughter identifies as Deaf. At her school they have pictures of students and staff labeled as deaf in one section, those who are hearing to the side. Audiologically, she's profoundly deaf. If you ask her if she is deaf or hearing, she says or signs "I'm Deaf. And Hearing." Her definition. Her family and friends use ASL as a language (not just a handful of 'backup signs)' and see her deafness as a defining characteristic rather than as a symptom. She attends an ASL-based school for the deaf and -- with friends and teachers who are Deaf -- is being inculcated with Deaf Culture. Several of those Deaf mentors and influencers in her life have hearing aids and can also use spoken language if they choose to. She is fluent in both ASL and spoken English. Using hearing technologies -- hearing aids or CIs -- or valuing multiple languages doesn't mean someone isn't Deaf.
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At the age of 5, she really can't ID as Deaf or deaf. She doesn't know enough about the difference to be able to choose. And she probably says that she is deaf and hearing because you, her parents, are hearing.
 
jillio said:
At the age of 5, she really can't ID as Deaf or deaf. She doesn't know enough about the difference to be able to choose. And she probably says that she is deaf and hearing because you, her parents, are hearing.
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:laugh2: I suppose some will say she's "not Deaf enough" because she hasn't yet written her thesis on what it means to be Deaf. Or entered Kindergarten.

So, she identifies as "Deaf. And Hearing." She knows that being Deaf means more than her audiogram, that it comprises the language someone uses among other things. You can discount her opinion because she might be heavily influenced by her school for the Deaf where her picture is posted under a sign that says "Deaf" rather than under the sign that says "Hearing." Or because she knows her parents are hearing, unlike her grandfather and grandmother who are HOH. And she may add "and hearing" because she wears CIs and has access to sound and uses spoken language and thinks of that as hearing.

But when it comes to cultural identification, externally perception and recognition can play a big part. She uses ASL with those around her, she is familiar with and participates in cultural traditions with other Deaf families, and she interacts on a regular basis with other Deaf kids and adults.

So, I don't discount her opinion despite her youth. It may change. Maybe not.
 
GrendelQ said:
:laugh2: I suppose some will say she's "not Deaf enough" because she hasn't yet written her thesis on what it means to be Deaf. Or entered Kindergarten.

So, she identifies as "Deaf. And Hearing." She knows that being Deaf means more than her audiogram, that it comprises the language someone uses among other things. You can discount her opinion because she might be heavily influenced by her school for the Deaf where her picture is posted under a sign that says "Deaf" rather than under the sign that says "Hearing." Or because she knows her parents are hearing, unlike her grandfather and grandmother who are HOH. And she may add "and hearing" because she wears CIs and has access to sound and uses spoken language and thinks of that as hearing.

But when it comes to cultural identification, externally perception and recognition can play a big part. She uses ASL with those around her, she is familiar with and participates in cultural traditions with other Deaf families, and she interacts on a regular basis with other Deaf kids and adults.

So, I don't discount her opinion despite her youth. It may change. Maybe not.
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A 5 year old child still does not understand the difference between deaf and Deaf. Has nothing to do with your child in particular; it is simply developmentally impossible for a 5 year old to understand these concepts. And unless the concepts are understood, a child does not discriminate the difference between Deaf and deaf. It is all one and the same to them.
 
jillio said:
A 5 year old child still does not understand the difference between deaf and Deaf. Has nothing to do with your child in particular; it is simply developmentally impossible for a 5 year old to understand these concepts. And unless the concepts are understood, a child does not discriminate the difference between Deaf and deaf. It is all one and the same to them.
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What does your concept of "age of consent" for being Deaf have to do with whether or not a cochlear implant has a bearing on whether or not someone identifies as Deaf? The point is that hearing technology, hearing aid or CI, doesn't preclude cultural affiliation. There are many people who are Deaf and use HAs. Or CIs.

My child also identifies as being Chinese -- is learning the language, expresses excitement at being among others who are Chinese -- like her, professes her love for the food and culture and film, participates in traditional activities and sports, and proudly declares that she is Chinese. I'm not Chinese, she's not trying to be just like us, or to please us. She may not have a deep understanding of what being Chinese means, but she gets it at some level. Same with being Deaf.
 
Congrats, I wish vertigo only lasted a few seconds--easy for you to say because it passes quickly--Ive had episodes that left me stuck in bed for 48 hours.
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I already acknowledged your vertigo attacks are hard. Why are you beating a dead horse?

YOU THINK I CHOOSE THIS?
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Where did I wrote you chose this?

It's obvious you can't understand a word I am saying to you.

I didn't say you chose to be implanted.
I said you can chose to use the implant you have, or not use it.


Fuzzy
 
. She may not have a deep understanding of what being Chinese means, but she gets it at some level.
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Unfortunately, that's the key words - "not deep understanding-what-means".

The 5 years old will not give a hoot anymore about being Chinese
for example in a room full of children - she or he will just want to play with whomever and with whatever as long as there will be somebody to play with.

The child is simply being conditioned to be proud to be this or that by the parents or whoever is its caretakers - it's them who influence their thinking.

So if a young child is being encouraged to be a " proud Deaf", of course it won't be interested in CI.
Which is not necessarily the best choice.


Fuzzy
 
Audiofuzzy said:
Unfortunately, that's the key words - "not deep understanding-what-means".

The 5 years old will not give a hoot anymore about being Chinese
for example in a room full of children - she or he will just want to play with whomever and with whatever as long as there will be somebody to play with.

The child is simply being conditioned to be proud to be this or that by the parents or whoever is its caretakers - it's them who influence their thinking.

So if a young child is being encouraged to be a " proud Deaf", of course it won't be interested in CI.
Which is not necessarily the best choice.


Fuzzy
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For you maybe but for others, it is the opposite.
 
GrendelQ said:
What does your concept of "age of consent" for being Deaf have to do with whether or not a cochlear implant has a bearing on whether or not someone identifies as Deaf? The point is that hearing technology, hearing aid or CI, doesn't preclude cultural affiliation. There are many people who are Deaf and use HAs. Or CIs.

My child also identifies as being Chinese -- is learning the language, expresses excitement at being among others who are Chinese -- like her, professes her love for the food and culture and film, participates in traditional activities and sports, and proudly declares that she is Chinese. I'm not Chinese, she's not trying to be just like us, or to please us. She may not have a deep understanding of what being Chinese means, but she gets it at some level. Same with being Deaf.
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Once again, a 5 year old child does not have the capability to discriminate between deaf and Deaf. Therefore, she cannot willingly ID as something she cannot even define. She may be able to define deaf, but she cannot define Deaf. I know you think your child is brilliant, as all parents do, but she is still a 5 year old child and not a 25 year old adult.
 
Is that why parents has the primary responsibility for their 5 year child whether deaf/Deaf/hearing etc?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
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