Church bans Autistic Boy

deafbajagal said:
Diehardbiker is right in my opinion. It is not the church's responsibility to deal with this situation...they can try accommodating, etc. but his behavior needs to be under control for the safety of others. From the article, the DID try to accommodate but the parents refused. :( The parents need to reach out to the state and seek resources to help them and their child.

Autism is a very difficult condition because we know so little about it - the causes, the treatment, the methods of teaching children with autism is so diverse, etc. I have the deepest admiration of parents of children with autism. From reading this article (which is the only information I have to go by, which is weak) - I suspect there's more going on than just autism. The way the parents are handling him (e.g., sitting on him) are inapprorpriate and in fact, making it worse.
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I was a bit aghast at the parent's sitting on him, as well. Very innapropriate. It would appear that perhaps these parents have not been taught to properly deal with his autism.


I was a bit ahgast at the sitting on him, as well.
 
jenni-m said:
He is not 'in danger', he IS the danger. This is not a 'little boy'. It states he is over six feet tall and 255 pounds. When a person like that throws a 'tantrum', it is not something you can easily quiet or control like you can with a little kid. That person can HURT you. In a serious way.

So don't automatically assume that the church is the major 'bad guy' here just because the guy is autistic.
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I am aware of that. I wasn't making any assumption or to single out to say the church is the "bad guy" in this case. This child is a danger to himself and to others. While the church has tried to help the family with the behavior of the autistic boy, it still shouldn't have to come to the point where banning is necessary. Perhaps, in this case the ban was necessary for the safety of the congregations. Clearly, the child's behavior was disruptive at the church. Perhaps something triggered him to lash out and to be violent. The atmosphere might also trigger him to act out. There's only little that we know of autism itself and there's a long way to go with it.

As it is said, the parents refused any help coming from the church. I just find this hard to believe because as a parent, if you were to have an autistic child or a child with any kind of disabilities and/or neurological cases, you would be more than glad to get ANY kind of help that comes your way. I know I have got as much help as I could with my autistic son. My question is, Why didn't the parents refuse any help at all? Is it because they felt that they were overwhelmed with the surroundings of people who are unaware of autism? Frustrations? Denial? We all don't know what really goes inside the parents mind/feeling towards this.

As for autism itself, the medications cannot slow it down. The medications only will help to a degree to control the settings but it is not all an easy answer that comes down to one pill. It is just more to it. What may work for one won't work for others.
 
As bad as this looks, I don't know why the church doesn't offer some kind of accommodation in a safe environment.
 
wow! i undy about it! jolie i dont blame that... it is hard to something ban on them.. you know.. i am sure they decide to do it as hard way.. i know they know it wrong but no choice.. maybe they dont have group home or something.. i dont know what happen over there.. oh well hope they get something good news..

but i feel that he might have more than one disorder.. who knows..
 
13 years old, 6+ feet tall, and 225 pounds. Adam Race's history is, according to this church's crusader:

According to Walz, Adam struck a child during mass, nearly knocks elderly parishioners over when he hastily exits the church, spits and sometimes urinates in church and fights when he is being restrained.
He also one time assaulted a girl by pulling her onto his lap and, during Easter mass, ran to the parking lot and got into two vehicles, starting them and revving the engine, Walz alleged.
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The religious institution and parents tried to resolve this concern for 11 months.

I find this to be most peculiar:
Carol Race said the family of seven, which has attended St. Joseph since 1996, typically sat in the cry room or in the back pew to keep avoid disrupting the services and did not hear a complaint from the parishioners until Walz showed up at their home in June.
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The church's accusation that the parents did not discipline their child seems, rather, far-fetched. Even I know that autism, a mental condition, is not an issue of discipline.

Could it be that the church (i.e., Walz) doubts the child's autism or the autistic condition?
 
deafdyke said:
You know......I gotta say that I think that this is one boy who really needs to be insistutionalized.
I don't think that the priest is expecting the parents to disclipline him out of his autism. yet at the same time, it does seem like the parents are slightly in denial. Their son is a very severely affected person.
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I agree.

If the article said that he was simply autistic without explanation, then I would object.

However, the article points out how he actually harms other people, urinates on church property, runs around and knocks down people (especially elders), then that shows that there really is a problem.

This is a problem that could be easily remedied by parents through medication, discipline, etc. Either the boy is beyond help or the parents are not doing their part.

I do know some people who have kids that are autistic, but they don't care and let their kids do whatever they want.
 
jillio said:
I was a bit aghast at the parent's sitting on him, as well. Very innapropriate. It would appear that perhaps these parents have not been taught to properly deal with his autism.


I was a bit ahgast at the sitting on him, as well.
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I agree. It is inappropriate to sit on him. I'm shocked.
 
it doesn't sound like he ever pays attention or gives half a crap about listening to the sermon anyway
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Amen!
Glad to see that I didn't get jumped on for my comments.
Mortgage mom, we're not talking about just austisic kids.............we're talking about SEVERELY autistic kids. We're not saying b/c of this particlar indivdual ALL autistic kids should be insistutionalized. Just that there needs to be more out of home resources and LESS stigma about things like insitutionalzing kids who NEED it.
 
look like austistic boy was not put in therapy at early age hence why he is doing those things??? If he had been put in therapy he wouldnt do those things that they said he did at the church?

My son was austistic when he was young but outgrew of it due to therapy or maybe because lead is gone from his system as my old apt was full of lead poisoning. Today he is doing well despite few things but thats ok with me because I know i did right by having him in therapy. :)
 
Cheri

I agree with you, also parents must teach their baby and up how to behave before they gets older...Some parents don't teach their baby as they grow up how to behave, I've seen many horrible kids acted in church and restuarant and I said don't the parents teach them how to behave and how to have some good manners in public places, but as for autistic child they can't help it, they have a diseased, agree it's the parents problem not the church. That's true alots of parents let their child run wild, I've seen that. Wouldn't it be nice if they have a book for Parents for Dummies, teaches the parents how to take care of their childrens and teach them right from wrong, behaving themselves and manners.

Cheri said:
:gpost: It is definitely the parents problem to deal with an autistic teen not the church. Lots of people let their children run wild, you just can't do that not in a church, not even in a restaurant.
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Why not send him to that special autistic school in Boston, MA?

I hear they do very well teaching Autistic kids.

But yeah, he should have behaviour modification therapies.

His parents will eventually have to place him in a home when they're too old to handle him.

The church tried their best, so I suppose they had to go to the extreme.
 
I see the problem on both side.

The church should not send a restraining order to the parents of austic child but the parents choose to ignore any positive motives offers.

From read the article... It SEEM to me that a boy didn´t get professional help. The priest offer his suggestion how to help a boy but the parents choose to ignore it? I had the feel that the parents can´t control him and think he is a different child as normal child? I do wish they took the priest´s offer. It´s about their son´s future, not themselves (the parents).
 
Miss-Delectable said:
Why not send him to that special autistic school in Boston, MA?

I hear they do very well teaching Autistic kids.

But yeah, he should have behaviour modification therapies.

His parents will eventually have to place him in a home when they're too old to handle him.

The church tried their best, so I suppose they had to go to the extreme.
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Yes, a boy should get right treatment at early age...
 
PePe LePew said:
I agree with you, also parents must teach their baby and up how to behave before they gets older...Some parents don't teach their baby as they grow up how to behave, I've seen many horrible kids acted in church and restuarant and I said don't the parents teach them how to behave and how to have some good manners in public places, but as for autistic child they can't help it, they have a diseased, agree it's the parents problem not the church. That's true alots of parents let their child run wild, I've seen that. Wouldn't it be nice if they have a book for Parents for Dummies, teaches the parents how to take care of their childrens and teach them right from wrong, behaving themselves and manners.
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Don´t compare austistic children with normal children because they are different. Autistic children need professional help. We can teach normal children well behave but autistic children? We parents need proffesional help how to help Austistic children.
 
deafdyke said:
You know......I gotta say that I think that this is one boy who really needs to be insistutionalized.
I don't think that the priest is expecting the parents to disclipline him out of his autism. yet at the same time, it does seem like the parents are slightly in denial. Their son is a very severely affected person.
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LuciaDisturbed
I hate to say this, but if Adam does all those things they said he did in the article, and if he can't control himself, and the parents can't control him, maybe his parents should consider finding a special group home for autistic people or something like that. I'm not really a fan of institutionalizing people at all, but sometimes it is needed. His autism sounds pretty severe. Or, maybe his parents should look into respite care so that Adam has someplace to go while his parents go to church. I don't know.
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Yes, I have the same feeling...
 
jillio said:
Respite care would be an excellent solution. However, it would appear from what was stated in the article that these parents are not open to alternative solutions.
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Yes I have read and feel bad for a boy... He is only 13 years old and his height is over 6 feet tall and 225 pounds... ?
 
I can only hope that kid will have to wise up before he kill someone by accident or on purpose and as I see from the fact that he is listed as over 6 feet and 225 pounds it would be harder to stop him from doing something that might be of dire consquences to anyone near him or who know him.... I just hope he needs to be taught how to behave properly and be respecting everything.. oh boy....
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Don´t compare austistic children with normal children because they are different. .
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She knows that even if you read her post again, You'll see where she says "but as for autistic child they can't help it, they have a diseased, agree it's the parents problem not the church."
 
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