Change the future for a deaf child

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shel90 said:
I have had met a child with CIs who came from parents who were in and out of jail for drug abuse. As for the mentally retarted deaf kids being mainstreamed...maybe not severely but with mild to moderate congnitive delays, yes. I have worked at public schools during the summer and have met a few of them. In fact, one girl was had absulotely no cognitive abilities and she had a CI. It may not be as extreme as flip stated but I have known of a few cases...
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Right, but saying that a child has a CI and is cognatively impaired is totally different from saying she is without language because she has been left in the mainstream with only AVT. Also, being in diapers because she has no language but then is suddenly healed with ASL, doesn't seem real.
I have no problem with implanting multiply hanicapped kids. They deserve to be able to have thr right device for their loss too. But the idea that professionals who advise a parent to mainstream a child with zero language and severe cognative delays, doesn't ring true to me.
 
Also. why is it that we assume all CI kids, or mainstreamed kids will be failures?Why do we constantly discount and "That is just your child." the success? Why don't we say that the kids that flip are referencing are a small minority? Their stories are horrifying, and should NEVER happen, but they are not the majority.
 
faire_jour said:
Also. why is it that we assume all CI kids, or mainstreamed kids will be failures?Why do we constantly discount and "That is just your child." the success? Why don't we say that the kids that flip are referencing are a small minority? Their stories are horrifying, and should NEVER happen, but they are not the majority.
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I have yet to see anyone on this thread do that.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
Are you kidding me?


There are PLENTY of AD'ers who use cochlears! geeeeez.

There is even a place for talking about them on here...
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Are you kidding me? CI's are tolerated by *most* people here, and adult implantation is supported, but if I parent came here and said "Should I bilaterallly implant my 6 month old?", what do you think the response will be?

It will be from kind: "Mainstreaming damages kids" "Oral only leads to no language" to: "You are denying you child's deafness" "You want to make your child hearing" and then finally the worst: "CI's are abusive" "Your child should be taken away" "CI kids are freaks and monsters".
 
faire_jour said:
Are you kidding me? CI's are tolerated by *most* people here, and adult implantation is supported, but if I parent came here and said "Should I bilaterallly implant my 6 month old?", what do you think the response will be?

It will be from kind: "Mainstreaming damages kids" "Oral only leads to no language" to: "You are denying you child's deafness" "You want to make your child hearing" and then finally the worst: "CI's are abusive" "Your child should be taken away" "CI kids are freaks and monsters".
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Ok... Have you read no deaf history... People have been arguing about cochlear implants since... a really long time. Some people are going to agree with you, and some are not... It's past time that we all just get over ourselves.
 
faire_jour said:
Are you kidding me? CI's are tolerated by *most* people here, and adult implantation is supported, but if I parent came here and said "Should I bilaterallly implant my 6 month old?", what do you think the response will be?

It will be from kind: "Mainstreaming damages kids" "Oral only leads to no language" to: "You are denying you child's deafness" "You want to make your child hearing" and then finally the worst: "CI's are abusive" "Your child should be taken away" "CI kids are freaks and monsters".
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i have to say, i understand where faire_jour is coming from. i've seen these attitudes myself in the deaf community and here on ad.
 
Hear Again said:
i have to say, i understand where faire_jour is coming from. i've seen these attitudes myself in the deaf community and here on ad.
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I'm not saying i havent, i am saying there is a mix, and the fight has been going on for forever...
 
faire_jour said:
Right, but saying that a child has a CI and is cognatively impaired is totally different from saying she is without language because she has been left in the mainstream with only AVT. Also, being in diapers because she has no language but then is suddenly healed with ASL, doesn't seem real.
I have no problem with implanting multiply hanicapped kids. They deserve to be able to have thr right device for their loss too. But the idea that professionals who advise a parent to mainstream a child with zero language and severe cognative delays, doesn't ring true to me.
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exactly. that's why self-contained programs exist in the public schools as well as independent schools for the deaf and blind.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
I'm not saying i havent, i am saying there is a mix, and the fight has been going on for forever...
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you have to understand though that when you're a ci user or a parent of a child who has a ci the negative attitudes of others can be very intimidating. most deaf and hoh people here share a comrodery that us ci users (and ci parents) do not have because the percentage of those implanted is significantly less than those who are not.
 
Hear Again said:
you have to understand though that when you're a ci user or a parent of a child who has a ci the negative attitudes of others can be very intimidating. most deaf and hoh people here share a comrodary (sp) that us ci users (and ci parents) do not have because the percentage of those implanted does not compare to those who are not.
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I do understand that. She needs to understand though that through the deaf community there has been arguing since CI's started, and they will continue to argue... till... well... who knows.

My mother was intimidated by others as to what she did/didnt need to do for me in terms of my blindness... She never stopped doing the right thing for me, or at least fighting for it no matter what others said. Not everyone is going to agree with everything
 
typeingtornado19 said:
I do understand that. She needs to understand though that through the deaf community there has been arguing since CI's started, and they will continue to argue... till... well... who knows.

My mother was intimidated by others as to what she did/didnt need to do for me in terms of my blindness... She never stopped doing the right thing for me, or at least fighting for it no matter what others said. Not everyone is going to agree with everything
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there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with a parent's choice to implant their child (or for an adult who receives a ci), but what i'm saying is that it would be nice if some (notice i said some not all) people here would stop making generalizations about children with ci's, implants in general and saying that an oral-only approach is bad.
 
Hear Again said:
there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with a parent's choice to implant their child (or for an adult who receives a ci), but what i'm saying is that it would be nice if some (notice i said some not all) people here would stop making generalizations about children with ci's, implants in general and saying that an oral-only approach is bad.
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I'm not going to say its bad... I'm just saying that no one is ever going to agree.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
I do understand that. She needs to understand though that through the deaf community there has been arguing since CI's started, and they will continue to argue... till... well... who knows.

My mother was intimidated by others as to what she did/didnt need to do for me in terms of my blindness... She never stopped doing the right thing for me, or at least fighting for it no matter what others said. Not everyone is going to agree with everything
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But the CI parents ARE doing what they believe is right for their kids, just like your mother did!
 
faire_jour said:
But the CI parents ARE doing what they believe is right for their kids, just like your mother did!
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So then why do you keep arguing with me? All i'm saying is the fighting will continue regardless of peoples descisions. I did not know that was a crime... I am preaching to myself as well, but people should just blow off whatever else and do what they think is right.
 
dreama said:
Well it IS bad. A lot of deaf people have been damaged from such an aproach. Ask Shel.
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no, it isn't -- not for children who have experienced success. just because an oral-only approach doesn't work for most deaf people doesn't mean it can't work for some. it also doesn't mean that it should be discredited as an effective way of learning.
 
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