Candidacy for CI

Bottesini said:
That needs to be emphasized. I am glad you spoke up about it.
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No problem, Bott. Even though I have CIs, I do understand that they don't automatically make a deaf child (or adult) hear.
 
faire_jour said:
It is called the hand cue. It is to tell the child they need to listen. And yes, it does prevent lipreading, which is part of the philosophy.
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In every instance of AVT that I've heard about, I've never known an AVT therapist who uses hand cues.
 
faire_jour said:
Again, I completely disagree with part of this. We do NOT focus on speech sounds.
Therapy look like playing games. It is just feeding language into the child. There is no "focus on speech sounds" in AVT.
It is more like "Wow, that is a cat. What does a cat say? Meow. I like cat's. Which is your favorite animal?"
Child says "Dog".
"Oh? I like dogs too. Dogs say woof woof. I have a dog. My dog is black. Do you have a dog?"
Child says "Yes".
"Really? What color is your dog?" And so on.
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Just because Miss Kat's AVT therapist doesn't focus on speech doesn't mean that others don't.
 
faire_jour said:
No, placing your hand over your mouth is called "the hand cue". It is a sign to the child that they need to listen.
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I don't understand why a child isn't allowed to use ALL cues -- including lipreading. To me, that's cruel.
 
Bottesini said:
And I know how it feels if people even look away while speaking.

That kind of treatment prolonged would make me suicidal.
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I bet it would.

Like I said in my previous post, I think not allowing a child to lipread is cruel.
 
My therapist used to cover her mouth with her hand sometimes too. It makes the child listen instead of "cheating" by understanding with lipreading. I had the entire rest of the day in school and at home to use lipreading, so not doing it for 30 minutes in therapy isn't cruel, IMO.
 
Hear Again said:
I don't understand why a child isn't allowed to use ALL cues -- including lipreading. To me, that's cruel.
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Same here..I dont understand it either. It is just ridiculous, IMO.
 
AlleyCat said:
My therapist used to cover her mouth with her hand sometimes too. It makes the child listen instead of "cheating" by understanding with lipreading. I had the entire rest of the day in school and at home to use lipreading, so not doing it for 30 minutes in therapy isn't cruel, IMO.
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IMO, it is. Why prevent a child from using a clue that can aid in communication? Even if covering one's mouth helps them hear better, why not allow them to lipread? It's not as if lipreading negatively affects their ability to hear. Many children are capable of hearing and lipreading at the same time.
 
shel90 said:
Same here..I dont understand it either. It is just ridiculous, IMO.
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I agree.

If I had a severely HoH or Deaf child, I would allow them to use whatever techniques help them understand the spoken word: ASL, lipreading, residual hearing, etc.
 
Hear Again said:
IMO, it is. Why prevent a child from using a clue that can aid in communication? Even if covering one's mouth helps them hear better, why not allow them to lipread? It's not as if lipreading negatively affects their ability to hear. Many children are capable of hearing and lipreading at the same time.
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We're talking about covering a mouth for minutes a day, if even that.

I can't speak for everyone, but I assume most everyone who wears a HA or CI in this forum wears these devices so we can hear words and sounds (why else would we wear our aids or CIs? For the sheer experience of wearing something in our ears and getting no benefit from it?)

And, for many of us, we get additional benefit out of our HAs and/or CIs when we've "worked" to learn to distinguish between sounds and words -- look at all the word and sentence discrimination posts in AllDeaf. Covering a mouth for minutes in therapy helps train a child's ears, so they'll understand even better, even with lipreading.

If helping a child enhance their listening methods as a part of their understanding the spoken word is cruel, so be it.
 
I am so confused.... if you want to train the EARS only, wouldn't covering the mouth make sense? I mean I am doing AVT now for the CI, and I lipread well, believe me, I wouldn't make as much of a progress with the CI if I could lipread the whole time.....

Speech therapy is totally different from AVT...
 
Daredevel7 said:
I am so confused.... if you want to train the EARS only, wouldn't covering the mouth make sense? I mean I am doing AVT now for the CI, and I lipread well, believe me, I wouldn't make as much of a progress with the CI if I could lipread the whole time.....

Speech therapy is totally different from AVT...
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That's exactly what I've been trying to say. You summed it up perfectly.

My therapy consisted of both speech and AVT - the speech in helping me to speak better, and the AVT to listen better. The combo of the two and the methods used is what gave me best results overall.
 
We're talking about covering a mouth for minutes a day, if even that.

It doesn't matter. A child shouldn't be denied the right to lipread for any amount of time.

Having said that, if a child is starting to learn how to hear with a CI, covering one's mouth is appropriate.

However, once the child has demonstrated their ability to hear, this shouldn't be done at the exclusion of lipreading.
 
Daredevel7 said:
I am so confused.... if you want to train the EARS only, wouldn't covering the mouth make sense? I mean I am doing AVT now for the CI, and I lipread well, believe me, I wouldn't make as much of a progress with the CI if I could lipread the whole time.....

Speech therapy is totally different from AVT...
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Why deny a child the right to lipread when it can enhance their progress with a CI or HA?
 
faire_jour is correct it is called "hand cue" I've had that before too, remember I lost my hearing slowly throughout the years, There are times when my speech therapist had covered her mouth to try to listen to what word she was saying, and I would have to listen with my ears without reading her lips. I think it is use only for those who speaks as fluently. I'm surprise those who grew up oral never heard of hand cue before.
 
I'm surprise those who grew up oral never heard of hand cue before.

Remember that in my case, my hearing loss wasn't addressed until I was 15. I wasn't in an educational program for HoH students.

I also can't see, so have no idea what kind of cues are used with Deaf children.
 
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