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The truth is painful. Can you bear it?

Abortion Practicioners on Themselves
The following quotes were compiled to show the stark contrast between the way the abortion rights movement depicts abortion, unborn children, abortion facilities and abortion practicioners. These quotes and their sources appear to give you a truer picture of the state of abortion in our country:
"Counselors are just to give the appearance of help. . . [They] think of themselves as company for the women." --abortion counselor

"I have never yet counseled anybody to have the baby. I'm also doing women's counseling on campus at Albany State, and there I am expected to present alternatives. Whereas at the abortion clinic you aren't really expected to." --abortion counselor

Rachel Weeping and Other Essays About Abortion. James Tunstead Burtchaell, editor. New York: Universal Press, 1982 pgs 42-43
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"I was trained by a professional marketing director in how to sell abortions over the telephone. He took every one of our receptionists, nurses, and anyone else who would deal with people over the phone through an extensive training period. The object was, when the girl called, to hook the sale so that she wouldn't get an abortion somewhere else, or adopt out her baby, or change her mind. We were doing it for the money." --Nina Whitten, chief secretary at a Dallas abortion clinic under Dr. Curtis Boyd
"They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn't want to have an abortion."-Dr. Randall

'Pro-Choice 1990: Skeletons in the Closet" by David Kuperlain and Mark Masters in "New Dimensions" magazine.
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"I have seen hundreds of patients in my office who have had abortions and were just lied to by the abortion counselor. Namely "This is less painful than having a tooth removed. It is not a baby." Afterwards, the woman sees Life magazine and breaks down and goes into a major depression." --Psychologist Vincent Rue
"Abortion Inc" David Kupelian and Jo Ann Gasper, New Dimemsions, October 1991 p 16.
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"I got to where I couldn't stand to look at the little bodies anymore" --Dr. Beverly McMillan, when asked why she stopped performing abortions.
"I have been there, and I have seen these totally formed babies as early as ten weeks... with the leg missing, or with their head off. i have seen the little rib cages..."--Debra Harry

"We all wish it were formless, but its not...and its painful. There is a lot of emotional pain." --abortion clinic worker

Quoted in "The Ex Abortionists: They Have Confronted Reality" Washington Post April 1, 1988 p a21.
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"If I see a case...after twenty weeks, where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there..." --Dr. James MacMahon, who performs partial-birth abortions, in Nat Hentoff "It's Just Too Late: Third Trimester abortions are an Outrage and an Insult to the Human Race" July 27, 1993 Pittsburg Post-Gazette
Quoted in Melody Green and Sharon Bennett "The Crime of Being Alive: Abortion, Euthanasia, Infanticide" p 3:

"Remember, there is a human being at the other end of the table taking that kid apart. We've had a couple of guys drinking too much, taking drugs, even a suicide or two." --Dr. Julius Butler, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Minnesota Medical School

"Arms, legs, and chests come out of the forceps. It's not a sight for everybody" --Dr. William Benbow Thompson at the University of California at Irvine

"After an abortion, the doctor must inspect these remains to make sure that all the fetal parts and placenta have been removed. Any tissue left inside the uterus can start an infection. Dr. Bours squeezed the contents of the sock into a shallow dish and poked around with his finger. "You can see a teeny tiny hand' he said. --abortion clinic worker quoted in "Is the Fetus Human" and in Dudley Clendinen, "The Abortion Conflict: What it Does to One Doctor" New York Times Magazine Aug 11 1985b p 26.

"I am deeply troubled by my own increasing certainty that I have in fact presided over 60,000 deaths. There is no longer serious doubt in my mind that human life exists from the very onset of pregnancy" --Dr. Bernard Nathanson, "Deeper Into Abortion" New England Journal of Medicine Nov 1974 p 1189
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From the article "Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts" which appeared in the July 12 1993 issue of AAA News, a publication of the American Medical Association:
"I have angry feelings at myself for feeling good about grasping the calvaria, for feeling good about doing a technically good procedure that destroys a fetus, kills a baby."

"When I put my hands on somebody to feel how big they are and I get kicked, I am barely able to talk at that moment."

"It's hard to be in a profession where you have a hard time answering the questions that other people ask you about what you do."
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"I went up to the lab one day and on the pathologiest's table I saw what I thought was little rubber doll until I realized it was a fetus. . .I got really shook up and upset and I couldn't believe it. It had all its fingers and toes, you know, hands and feet. . . I never thought it would look so -real. I didn't like it." --Planned Parenthood employee quoted in Magda Denes book "In Necessity and Sorrow" New York:Basic Books 1979.
From the Dallas Observer 3/18/95: Former clinic administrator Charlotte Taft, "We were hiding from the women some of the pieces of truth about abortion that were threatening....It is a kind of killing."
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From "Abortion at Work: Ideology and Practice in a Feminist Clinic" by Wendy Simonds. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, 1996.
Quotes from clinic personel:

"It's going to be weird now because you're going to see the sono. You're going to see the heart beating- little hearts, you know- and then, all of a sudden, you're going to put his cardiac medicine in it to make it stop- to kill it."

"I feel some sadness [about abortions] and I think part of the problem is that we don't talk about that...we don't talk about it as much as we think about it...somehow your pro-choice stance is compromised by saying the word "baby."...We don't allow ourselves to say or think that word...."

"At nine weeks...you start seeing fetal parts. And by the second trimester it's, you know, it's a baby, and by eighteen weeks it's definitely a baby. And by like, you know, twenty-two weeks, you go in and y ou watch someone do a sonogram, and you're like, "Oh my." There it is just moving, moving around. And it's really hard because I always thought of abortion in terms of just the woman, just her body."

"You're looking between the woman's legs; you're seeing, you know, what the doctor's doing. And it's what a lot of people would call kind of, I guess, gruesome- that's not really the word because- it's identifiable. I mean, when he...takes the forceps and pulls out a foot, you can see the foot, and my reaction- because I feel so strongly that women who want to have a twenty week abortion should be able to have that- but I mean when I lookes and was just like, you know, my first reaction was, you know, I was pretty horrified."

"So by it looking like a baby, you're associating it with yourself because...you used to be a baby, you used to be a fetus."

"...when you're, you know, putting a fetus's feet in over its head in a baggie, there's just this brief moment of "This could have been me"..."

"...it looks like a baby, That's what it looks like to me. You've never seen anything else that looks like that. The only other thing you've ever seen is a baby...You can seee a face and hands, and ears and eyes and, you know...feet and toes..."

"The destruction I can't deny....I wish we lived in a world where abortion didn't have to exist."

"You know, we still say "products of conception." Well, why don't we say it looks like- you know, a twenty-week fetus looks like a baby. Why can't we say that in public? Because that's what the antis say, you know."

"I hate it when people put it together to look like a baby. I hate that...I don't want to look like it when its like that because it's like a broken doll, and that grosses me out."

Note: These quotes were originally compiled by Sarah Terzo.
http://www.roevwade.org/quotes.html
 
Planned Parenthood Lies About Anesthesia
During initial testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 17, 1995 concerning the legislation to ban partial-birth abortion, Dr. Norig Ellison, the president of the 34,000-member American Society of Anesthesiologists, gave testimony to the fact that anethesia given to the mother during the abortion procedure is not enough to kill the unborn child.
After Dr. Ellison presented his prepared testimony, the following exchange occured between Senator Spence Abraham and Dr. Mary Campbell, medical director of Planned Parenthood of Metropolitan Washingon.

Senator Abraham [to Dr. Campbell]: Would you make the statement then that the fetus dies due to the anesthesia? Is that your position?

Dr. Campbell: I think the fetus has no pain because of the anesthesia. I do not...

Sen. Abraham: No, I'm asking you whether you think that's what causes the fetus to die?

Dr. Campbell: I do not know what causes the fetus to die. The fetuses are dead when delivered.

Sen. Abraham: Well, let me just direct you, if I could - I have here a factsheet that indicates it was prepared by you, which relates to the legislation...

[Sen. Abraham was referring to "H.R. 1833, Medical Questions and Answers," which contains the caption "Fact Sheet prepared by Mary Campbell, M.D." This document was circulated for every member of the House of Representatives in October before the partial-birth abortion ban came up for a vote in the U.S. House. This document contains the following passage:

"Q: When does the fetus die?

"A: The fetus dies of an overdose of anesthesia given to the mother intravenously. A dose is calculated for the mother's weight which is 50 to 100 times the weight of the fetus. The mother gets the anesthesia for each insertion of the dilators, twice a day. This induces brain death in a fetus in a matter of minutes. Fetal demise therefore occurs at the beginning of the procedure while the fetus is still in the womb."]

Dr. Campbell: I was quoting Dr. McMahon [a developer of the partial-birth abortion technique] at the time... [There is no reference to Dr. McMahon anywhere in Dr. Campbell's five-page factsheet.]

Sen. Abraham: So you no longer adhere to the position that you say in here, "the fetus dies of an overdose of anesthesia given to the mother intravenously." That is no longer your position?

Dr. Campbell: I believe that is true.

Sen. Abraham: You believe that is true?

Dr. Campbell: I believe that is true.

Sen. Abraham: Dr. Ellison, would you like to comment on that?

Dr. Ellison (president of the American Society of Anesthesiologists): There is absolutely no basis in scientific fact for that statement. There is -- I can present you a study in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, 1989 ... of 5,400 cases of women having surgery having general anesthesia or regional anesthesia in which the fetus did not suffer demise. I think the suggestion that the anesthesia given to the mother, be it regional or general, is going to cause brain death of the fetus is without basis of fact.

Dr. Campbell: I have not said brain death... [Her factsheet indicates: This [anesthesia] induces brain death in a fetus in a matter of minutes.]

Sen. Abraham: Well, that's what you are saying today, but in this factsheet, which you prepared I believe fairly recently, it says, "The fetus dies" -- there's no qualifying regarding breathing or anything else -- "of an overdose of anesthesia." I mean, that's a very clear statement assertion.

Dr. Campbell: [Pause] I simplified that for Congress. [Outburst of laughter from the audience.] I do not actually believe that you want a full discussion of when death occurs.

Sen. Abraham: Well, we are forced to make those decisions, and I guess my question is that how many other things woulod you say in the factsheet or in your statements today have been likewise simplified in this dramatic fashion?

Source: Senate Judiciary Committee hearing record J-104-54, Nov. 17, 1995.



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Recognizing how distressing such accounts are to persons of normal moral sensibilities, on numerous occasions, leading opponents of the bill, including syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman and NARAL President Kate Michelman, repeatedly insisted that anesthesia given to the mother peacefully induces a painless death in the fetus before the rest of the procedure is performed. This claim was widely accepted and repeated as fact in news stories and editorial commentaries. Here is how Michelman put it on one occasion:

The other side grossly distorted the procedure. There is no such thing as a 'partial-birth.' ... before the procedure begins, the anesthesia that they give the woman already causes the demise of the fetus. That is, it is not true that they're born partially.
(KMOX-AM radio, St. Louis, Nov. 2, 1995)

Thus, Ms. Michelman argued that it was misleading to call this process a "partial-birth," precisely because, she claimed, these fetuses were already dead from the anesthesia before they were removed.

Under questioning by Senator Abraham, Planned Parenthood's Dr. Campbell, who wrote the "fact sheet" quoted above, admitted, "I do not know what causes the fetus to die. . . . I simplified that for Congress. I do not believe that you want a full discussion of when death occurred."

In a hearing on anesthesia and fetal pain before the House Judiciary Constitution Subcommittee on March 21, 1995, the "anesthesia myth" was again emphatically refuted by Dr. Ellison and by Dr. David Birnbach, the president-elect of the Society for Obstetric Anesthesia and Perinatology. They testified that a local anesthetic -- which is what Dr. Martin Haskell's paper specifies -- does not affect the fetus. These experts also testified that dosages of general anesthesia, safe for the mother, would provide little if any pain relief to the baby, much less induce "fetal demise."

Dr. Birnbach testified, "Having administered anesthesia for fetal surgery, I know that on occasion we need to administer anesthesia directly to the fetus because even at these early ages the fetus moves away from the pain of the stimulation." [hearing record, page 288]

In an attempt to recover, the proponents of the anesthesia myth claimed that Dr. McMahon had given his patients does of narcotic anesthesia of 36 to 100 times the normal dose. Dr. Birnbach responded, "Although there is no evidence that this massive dose will cause fetal demise, there is clear evidence that this excessive dose could cause maternal death."
http://www.roevwade.org/anesthesia.html
 
Who We Are

Democrats for Life of America, Inc. is a national organization for pro-life members of the Democratic party.

Our Mission

Democrats for Life of America exists to foster respect for life, from the beginning of life to natural death. This includes, but is not limited to, opposition to abortion, capital punishment, and euthanasia. Democrats for Life of America is one of over 200 member organizations of Consistent Life: an international network for peace, justice and life.

What We Do

We mobilize Democrats at local, state, and national levels to

elect pro-life Democrats to office

support pro-life Democrats while in an elected position

promote a pro-life plank in the Democratic Party platform

achieve pro-life legislation with the help of national and state pro-life democrats

participate actively in Democratic party functions and offices

http://www.democratsforlife.org/dfla/about_dfla.htm
 
I have never heard of anybody saying all choices were easy or pain free, so it is more like a fundamental truth (ie. making choices that have the potential of being painful and/or easy) than anything else in my opinion. :)
 
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Why post something like this? Isn't quite clear from the opinions expressed in the thread "Sad Anniversary" that no one is going to change anyone else's mind. The majority of us here are adults, and have already formed our opinions about abortion.
 
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ahhh I see, the truth according to Reba
 
bbnt said:
ahhh I see, the truth according to Reba

And, the truth according to alot of pro-lifers. :roll:

A lot of the things we hear about abortion is very slanted. And, that's on both sides of the issue. Not just the pro-lifers side.

This is why I believe that it was wrong to turn abortion into a political issue. Abortion is strictly a medical issue, and has no business being politicized.
 
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bbnt said:
ahhh I see, the truth according to Reba
I am only presenting the quotes of the people themselves. None of my words added.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
... Abortion is strictly a medical issue, and has no business being politicized.
OK. Here is what doctors say:

... what is Doctors For Life's view on abortion?

"Apart from maternal complications such as a punctured womb during an abortion, women’s hearts are inevitably punctured. Almost 100% of women suffer from depression with guilt, shame, bitter remorse and self-blame accompanying them for months or years after the abortion. 25% of women suffer from post abortion syndrome - a serious condition marked by intense long-term chronic depression which can lead to suicide...Furthermore, the humanity of the unborn child, is a wholly scientific question. Science proves clearly that life starts at conception. The humanity of the unborn child has been proved beyond any questionable doubt. The abuse of the terminology "the right to choose" is a perversion of the truth because it exploits the language of rights as a pretext for taking away the most basic right of all - the right to life. It is an arrogant abuse of awesome power to destroy those who cannot defend themselves, an extreme manifestation of the strong victimizing the weak. The catch word "choice" also constitutes a blatant sham, because those most drastically affected, the victims, are the very ones who are denied the right to choose. It is death at someone else’s choice. This is not ‘reproductive’ or any other type of ’freedom’ but the worst kind of tyranny."
http://www.doctorsforlifeinternational.com/about/index.cfm
 
More doctors:

Society for Maternal-Fetal Medicine

Maternal-Fetal Medicine (MFM) is a subspecialty of Obstetrics and Gynecology dealing with all matters that can affect the health of a mother or fetus from before conception to the postpartum period. Physicians who practice Maternal-Fetal Medicine are obstetrician/gynecologists who have received additional training, and performed research, in the care and management of pregnant women and fetuses.

Maternal-Fetal Medicine was first recognized as a subspecialty of obstetrics and gynecology in 1974, but the scientific advances leading to the emergence of this new medical field were made in the 1950s and 60s. The advent of medical ultrasound gave obstetricians a window through which to observe the behavior and development of the fetus. Amniocentesis, coupled with cytogenetics and later, molecular biology, made possible the diagnosis of many fetal conditions, even early in pregnancy. Fetal monitoring allowed evaluation for fetal well-being in late pregnancy and during labor, allowing physicians to intervene on behalf of the fetus. Techniques for safely entering the uterus with needles and various instruments allowed other forms of diagnosis and, in some instances, treatment of the fetus.

By the early 1970s there was no denying that the fetus had become a patient in his or her own right. At the same time it was becoming increasingly clear that the appropriate management of many maternal medical and surgical conditions could improve the health of the fetus. All of these advances led to a growing group of obstetrician/gynecologists who were limiting their work to the needs of mothers and fetuses in complicated pregnancies. In 1974 certification in the subspecialty of Maternal-Fetal Medicine was granted by the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

Today, MFM specialists are involved in guiding the management of medical and surgical complications that a mother may encounter during pregnancy. MFM specialists also provide diagnosis and management of medical and surgical conditions of the fetus. Care may include in utero treatment, modification of delivery timing or delivery mode, and facilitation and coordination of care for the infant after delivery.

...Regrettably, many MFM physicians support, or even participate in, feticide through the provision of induced abortion. As pro-life Maternal-Fetal Medicine physicians we believe that this is diametrically opposed to the entire ethos of our medical specialty, which developed specifically to provide care for maternal and fetal patients. Accordingly, we have joined together to declare our responsibility for the full protection and care of mother and fetus in every pregnancy.

http://www.prolifemfm.org/whatismfm.htm
 
Reba said:
OK. Here is what doctors say:

... what is Doctors For Life's view on abortion?

"Apart from maternal complications such as a punctured womb during an abortion, women’s hearts are inevitably punctured. Almost 100% of women suffer from depression with guilt, shame, bitter remorse and self-blame accompanying them for months or years after the abortion. 25% of women suffer from post abortion syndrome - a serious condition marked by intense long-term chronic depression which can lead to suicide...Furthermore, the humanity of the unborn child, is a wholly scientific question. Science proves clearly that life starts at conception. The humanity of the unborn child has been proved beyond any questionable doubt. The abuse of the terminology "the right to choose" is a perversion of the truth because it exploits the language of rights as a pretext for taking away the most basic right of all - the right to life. It is an arrogant abuse of awesome power to destroy those who cannot defend themselves, an extreme manifestation of the strong victimizing the weak. The catch word "choice" also constitutes a blatant sham, because those most drastically affected, the victims, are the very ones who are denied the right to choose. It is death at someone else’s choice. This is not ‘reproductive’ or any other type of ’freedom’ but the worst kind of tyranny."

url]http://www.doctorsforlifeinternational.com/about/index.cfm[/url]

That is also very one sided. I am sure some women suffer from reprecussions of their decision, but 100%?

I doubt it. You can't generalize and say all women will suffer the same affects as each woman's emotional make up is different. Some will cope just fine while others will not. That's just a fact of life.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
That is also very one sided. I am sure some women suffer from reprecussions of their decision, but 100%?

I doubt it. You can't generalize and say all women will suffer the same affects as each woman's emotional make up is different. Some will cope just fine while others will not. That's just a fact of life.
The quotation was "...Almost 100% of women suffer from depression with guilt, shame, bitter remorse and self-blame accompanying them for months or years after the abortion...."
 
Reba said:
The quotation was "...Almost 100% of women suffer from depression with guilt, shame, bitter remorse and self-blame accompanying them for months or years after the abortion...."

:lol: Whatever, Reba. The implication is still there.
 
I am one of those people who had an abortion, When I was 15/16 years old become pregnant by my first love of my life, My parent was not too happy to recovered that I was pregnant, They pressure me every single day about getting an abortion, I didn't think abortion was the solution, I wanted to keep this baby and fought with my parent every single day, My mom threaten me she would kick me out of the house, I thought where would I live, What money would I live on I was only in high school working part time job on weekend. It wasn't enough for me to live on my own. I only had one support which was my twin sister the whole family turned against me. I had no choice to go get abortion done, Of course my parent took me there and I was wide awake the whole time, It wasn't a good feeling, It was horrible, I do remember I laid there crying and crying nonstoppable, all I thought was why does this have to happen? I had to pay a price for being pregnant that was my punishment by my parents. When all this was over, I was heart broken and God saw that I asked him to forgive me for the choices I didn't have. There have been times I had nightmares of what I saw in the operation room, how they put my baby in a trash bag and carried it out of the room. I felt like I was in hell. It did took me a very very long time to get over the betrayed, the hurt. I know now that my baby is safe in the arms of our heavenly Father, and I believe she/he isn't dead but alive in heaven.

That is one the reasons why I do not agree with abortion because I have experience it myself in the past and there will always be a scar in my heart for what had happen long time ago. But I am not going to put my brief's on others if they want to get an abortion, If you can live with that; It's your life, your body and your choice.
 
Cheri said:
I am one of those people who had an abortion, When I was 15/16 years old become pregnant by my first love of my life, My parent was not too happy to recovered that I was pregnant, They pressure me every single day about getting an abortion, I didn't think abortion was the solution, I wanted to keep this baby and fought with my parent every single day, My mom threaten me she would kick me out of the house, I thought where would I live, What money would I live on I was only in high school working part time job on weekend. It wasn't enough for me to live on my own. I only had one support which was my twin sister the whole family turned against me. I had no choice to go get abortion done, Of course my parent took me there and I was wide awake the whole time, It wasn't a good feeling, It was horrible, I do remember I laid there crying and crying nonstoppable, all I thought was why does this have to happen? I had to pay a price for being pregnant that was my punishment by my parents. When all this was over, I was heart broken and God saw that I asked him to forgive me for the choices I didn't have. There have been times I had nightmares of what I saw in the operation room, how they put my baby in a trash bag and carried it out of the room. I felt like I was in hell. It did took me a very very long time to get over the betrayed, the hurt. I know now that my baby is safe in the arms of our heavenly Father, and I believe she/he isn't dead but alive in heaven.

That is one the reasons why I do not agree with abortion because I have experience it myself in the past and there will always be a scar in my heart for what had happen long time ago. But I am not going to put my brief's on others if they want to get an abortion, If you can live with that; It's your life, your body and your choice.

Thank you for sharing your story, Cheri. And, I'm sorry you went through that. You clearly didn't have a choice. The decision was made for you, and that was wrong.

I'm truly sorry for the pain you went through. :hug:
 
Cheri said:
I know now that my baby is safe in the arms of our heavenly Father, and I believe she/he isn't dead but alive in heaven.

Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie.

Of course we will love you with no matter what. May Jesus Christ bless on you.
 
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Crazymanw00t said:
Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie.

Of course we will love you with no matter what. May Jesus Christ bless on you.


:-o ...

Show me in the bible that say if a mother abort her baby, the baby goes to hell?...

Just because a mother who abort her baby , doesn't mean the baby will go to hell , the baby is innocent and did not murder anyone, and the bible does not tell us that either....

Yes the mother who abortion her baby is a sinner, yet she seek God to forgive her and God forgive and forgets, yet it doesn't mean she will go to hell for abortion her child....Everyone sins , you and I and so for the others, yet we seek God to forgive us for whatever sin we have done....and we are not to judge those who goes to heaven or hell, only God Himself will make that choice , not you not I not anyone!...
 
Crazymanw00t said:
Speific to that quote. It is not true, your baby is not in heaven. Why? You are sinners and you carry out your sinners to your baby. Therefore your baby is sinners, because of Adam and Eve carried out their sinners to everyone of us. I can get verses for that. I know it is too blunt but you deserve the truth answer, nothing else than lie or hypocritie.

Of course we will love you with no matter what. May Jesus Christ bless on you.


Yes, You were very blunt, I am surprised to read this by someone who is very Christian like yourself, That is something Jesus would never say to me. For me, the question as to whether or not all sins are equal is answered. Yes, all sins are equal, but if acts against God is not equal.
"If you confess your sins, He is faithful and just to forgive..."

I cannot take back what I have done, but it was against my will, my power to have an abortion I was in the influence of my parent and even God knows that. I don't need to explain anything to you to make it perfectly clear. I had confessed my sin to God, and the unborn baby is not a sinner, did the baby had a choice to be taken away? It makes me a sinner therefore I already did asked for forgiving and It is done and over with.

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That's great that you confessed your sin to God.

I understood your situation. I am not blaming to you. You had done something best for yourself.

"That is something Jesus would never say to me." Jesus will want you to know the truth. Therefore he will tell you the truth answer as I do.
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^Angel^

I am with school work right now, after my classes and I will write down with verses. Look, I do not judge the baby, but the verses already told us the truth answer. Therefore I am bringing to here to show the truth answer. If the mother confessed their sin and they need Jesus, therefore the mother is saved. If they follow the "Who has the Savlation?" at On-Debate Thread. Yes, the baby had sin. The baby haven't confessed that they are sinner, yet. Therefore you know the answer.
 
Truth?

Reba, thank you for posting these. Maybe, just maybe ONE person will see this and it will make a difference in their life. I know that some will never be swayed by facts or logic. And some are simply contrarists, opposing the common view on everything as a form of rebellion against man and God. I know an abortion survivor. She is very thankful that the saline abortion failed. She has multiple birth defects as a result of the failed abortion. But every day she and her adoptive parents thank God for her life.

An aborted baby goes to hell? Wow is that twisted. Read your Bible some more. We pay for our sins as individuals as we are individually judged. Jesus said several things concerning the innocence of children, and the punishment for those who offended them. But he only noted one sin that could not be pardoned. A young woman (child) who is forced into an abortion is no different than a child who is raped or beaten in their burden of sin in the matter. Cheri, you feel guilt, but the guilt is not yours, nor your aborted child's. That thing about sins of the parents being visited upon the succeeding generations is talking about earthly consequences. In Judgement, you will only answer for your own unrepented sins, not those of others. Your child did not have the chance to sin.
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My Diary

October 2 : Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet. I am as small as the pollen of a flower, but it is I already. I will be a girl. I will have blonde hair and blue eyes. Nearly everything is settled already, even that I shall love birds.

October 19 : I have grown a little, but I am still too small to do anything by myself. My mother does everything for me, although she still does not know that she is carrying me under her heart. But I am a real person, just as a crum of bread is still real bread. My mother exists, and I do too.

October 23 : My mouth is just now beginning to open. Just think, in a year or so I will be laughing, and later I will start to talk. My first word will be Mamma.

October 25 : Today my heart began to beat. It will beat softly for the rest of my life, never stopping. After many years it will tire and stop. Then I shall die.

November 2 : I am growing continually. My arms and legs are taking shape, but I must wait a long time before these tiny legs will raise me to my mother's arms; before these little arms will be able to conquer the earth and befriend people.

November 12 : Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. How small they are. One day I will stroke my mother's hair and tell her how nice she is.

November 20 : Only today the doctor told my mother that I am living here under her heart. How happy she must be ! Are you happy Mother?

November 26 : My mother and father are probably thinking about a name for me, and they don't even know that I am a little girl, so they are probably calling me "Andy". But I want to be called Barbara.
I am growing big.

December 10 : My hair is growing. It is as bright and shiny as the sun. I wonder what kind of hair my mother has.

December 13 : My eyes are slmost fully developed, although the lids are still shut. When Mother brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and overflowing with flowers. I have never seen a flower, you know, but more than anything I want to see my mother.
How do you look Mother?

December 24 : My fingers and toes are fully formed. Even my nails are beginning to develope.

December 26 : I wonder if my mother hears the delicate beat of my heart? Some children are born wtih sickly hearts, and then the gentle fingers of the doctor perform miracles to make them healthy. But my heart is healthy. It beats so evenly: tup-tup, tup-tup. You shall have a healthy daughter, Mother.

December 28 : Today my mother killed me.

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