California Proposition Eight - Ban on Same-Sex Marriage
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My dear friend, I don't think Tousi is prejudicin'. He is seein' different just like me. I am seein' different, because a " woman " is really a " woman " - a " female " nature with real breasts and vagina. A real woman could give a birth and can breastfeed a baby.
Can you help me to understand how it is that 2 same men or 2 same women be an equal as a man and a woman - to make the same sex to become recognized ?
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We are all humans and we are all equal..doesnt matter what's between our legs.
What I do not understand is what people do behind closed doors becomes everyone else's business?
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If gay people want to get married and have the same equal rights as other married people want, why should that be banned? Is it because they share the same genitals?
I'll make sure to inform every woman who's ever had a mastectomy or hysterectomy that they no longer qualify as real women.
Also, I would love to help you understand, equal in what? I'm not sure I understand the question.
**Edit** I'll also be sure to let the 1 in 100 people (according to the ISNA) that are intersex that they should promptly remove themselves from any and all categories.
Well it still sounds selfish to me.
The marriage is not for just to have the baby, but also an love between the relationship.
Do you think that's fair for straight couples to live together in same place forever and have the benefits and taxes from the governments (I am not sure about the benefit of marriage, anyway) while the gay couples have to stay together forever and doesn't get anything that straight couples got?
It's not fair, JMO.
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Then how come it is difficult to recognize for same sex partners and not heterosexual partners ?
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Right..it is not fair ...that is like telling gay couples they are not worthy enough for marriage.
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Because of people with views like yours ...that marriage is for man and woman only. It goes way back when people from very different times when homosexuality wasnt understood and feared. Nowadays, we are more educated about it so why are people hanging onto very old and outdated traditions? Even during those times, divorce was not acceptable.
And?
Olbermann says it so well.
Countdown
Transcript:
Olbermann: Gay marriage is a question of love - Countdown with Keith Olbermann
Excerpts:
"If you voted for this Proposition or support
those who did or the sentiment they expressed,
I have some questions, because, truly, I do not
understand. Why does this matter to you? What
is it to you? In a time of impermanence and
fly-by-night relationships, these people over
here want the same chance at permanence and
happiness that is your option. They don't want to
deny you yours. They don't want to take anything
away from you. They want what you want—a chance to
be a little less alone in the world"
.......
"I keep hearing this term "re-defining" marriage.
If this country hadn't re-defined marriage, black
people still couldn't marry white people. Sixteen states
had laws on the books which made that illegal in 1967.
1967.
"The parents of the President-Elect of the United States
couldn't have married in nearly one third of the states
of the country their son grew up to lead. But it's worse
than that. If this country had not "re-defined" marriage,
some black people still couldn't marry black people. It
is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our
sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized,
if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property,
they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child.
Their marriage vows were different: not "Until Death, Do You Part,"
but "Until Death or Distance, Do You Part." Marriages among slaves
were not legally recognized."
Countdown
Transcript:
Olbermann: Gay marriage is a question of love - Countdown with Keith Olbermann
Excerpts:
"If you voted for this Proposition or support
those who did or the sentiment they expressed,
I have some questions, because, truly, I do not
understand. Why does this matter to you? What
is it to you? In a time of impermanence and
fly-by-night relationships, these people over
here want the same chance at permanence and
happiness that is your option. They don't want to
deny you yours. They don't want to take anything
away from you. They want what you want—a chance to
be a little less alone in the world"
.......
"I keep hearing this term "re-defining" marriage.
If this country hadn't re-defined marriage, black
people still couldn't marry white people. Sixteen states
had laws on the books which made that illegal in 1967.
1967.
"The parents of the President-Elect of the United States
couldn't have married in nearly one third of the states
of the country their son grew up to lead. But it's worse
than that. If this country had not "re-defined" marriage,
some black people still couldn't marry black people. It
is one of the most overlooked and cruelest parts of our
sad story of slavery. Marriages were not legally recognized,
if the people were slaves. Since slaves were property,
they could not legally be husband and wife, or mother and child.
Their marriage vows were different: not "Until Death, Do You Part,"
but "Until Death or Distance, Do You Part." Marriages among slaves
were not legally recognized."
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Just say that it is what it caused a problem with " recognization difference ". Some people see different while same sex partners see the same as equal. We have 2 separate group that see different from one group to another.
It's why I posted one article talkin' about Supreme Court will give gay/lesbian people the right to marry. It will happen sometime after Obama takes his seat in White House. I am not sayin' that it will happen immediately, because it takes the time to change new judges in Supreme Courts and many of them will be liberals. They are for the laws of the land. President-elect Obama will ask people to support nation, because he is against it and can't do anythin' about it. It will become recognize after it becomes a law in every state ( 50 states ). That's what I was readin' about this in a few days ago.
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My point exactly!
If people were still going to hang onto those views, I wouldnt be allowed to marry my husband and that's a pretty shitty thing. Now, that's probably how gays are feeling now by not allowing to get married.
I don't think the difference of diversities is a problem, it's normal that we all have different lifestyle. The problem I see are only when they tried to made us to be the same as them.
And yeah, of course it take time for the governments to change things.
Again, if the country hadn't "redefined" marriage, you would be restricted to having your marriage in a government-owned building, and having it performed by a civil servant. Nothing else would be recognized. If we hadn't "redefined" marriage, 12 year olds could still get married. And also, it was "redefined" to exclude black people long after the country was founded, then "redefined" back.
Luckily it's such a sacred institution that has never changed or anything... :roll:
Luckily it's such a sacred institution that has never changed or anything... :roll:
I found a great video. I think that Tousi, especially, you should like it. (And it has pretty much the entire dialogue in the information on the side. There's a few lines at the end that aren't there, let me know if you'd like me to write them down.)
YouTube - Protect Traditional Marriage - Outlaw Divorce
YouTube - Protect Traditional Marriage - Outlaw Divorce
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